One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[LadyVados]

No one else is close to them as in?
Kaido can't overpower Big Mom in a 3 day fight but he's the WSC and currently rated the strongest pirate in the verse. If anything, the difference between him and Big Mom would be similar to that between Akainu and Kuzan. So they are infact very close.

Ignoring your comments on Mihawk.

If Big Mom who isn’t the world’s strongest swordfighter is that close to Kaido then the world’s strongest swordfighter should be around as strong him (if not a tad stronger)

 

[Shasha23]

No one else is close to them as in?
Kaido can't overpower Big Mom in a 3 day fight but he's the WSC and currently rated the strongest pirate in the verse. If anything, the difference between him and Big Mom would be similar to that between Akainu and Kuzan. So they are infact very close.

Ignoring your comments on Mihawk.

When did Kaido fight Big Mum in a 3 day fight? he only fought her for 12hrs

Im ignoring your ignorance on One Piece power levels by the way

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Thats the flaw in your view.
Mihawk is above Shanks, Big Mum and Blackbeard so how are you saying commander level?

even if we dont like it it, Mihawk, Kaido and Whitebeard are the top 3 so no one else is close to them

Mihawk is noway above big mum , she's not a swords person , she's a versatile brawler , heck her primary weapons are Zeus,. Prometheus and Napoleon , she uses all 3 along side her hand to hand fighting

 

[LadyVados]

Mihawk is noway above big mum , she's not a swords person , she's a versatile brawler , heck her primary weapons are Zeus,. Prometheus and Napoleon , she uses all 3 along side her hand to hand fighting

Sword Big Mom is the strongest big mom

 

[Nie Li]

Regardless of Power Levels, titles and Mihawk: if Cabaji was recognised as a swordsman pretty much anyone with a sword and some technique is one, no matter what additional skills he or she has.

 

[Aliocha]

Regardless of Power Levels, titles and Mihawk: if Cabaji was recognised as a swordsman pretty much anyone with a sword and some technique is one, no matter what additional skills he or she has.

You know, Whitebeard's Bisento is one of the 12 Supreme Grade swords, Sword.

Is He de true world strong swordship?

 

[Nie Li]

You know, Whitebeard's Bisento is one of the 12 Supreme Grade swords, Sword.

Is He de true world strong swordship?

No, because it's not a sword. The blade may be supreme grade but it's stuck on a halberd.

As in my previous comment, I'll avoid the title topic.

 

[Shasha23]

Mihawk is noway above big mum , she's not a swords person , she's a versatile brawler , heck her primary weapons are Zeus,. Prometheus and Napoleon , she uses all 3 along side her hand to hand fighting

Dude its been established that Whitebeard, Kaido and Mihawk are above everyone so i dont know what you mare talking about

 

[albertwv]

I think people have gotten confused with Mihawk's title. Initally, Oda introduced Mihawk as the WGS = World's greatest Swordsman. Recently he's changed it to World's Strongest Swordsman.
Mihawk is pirate and a man, therefore he falls beneath Kaido and WB.

Now what constitutes a "Swordsman" ?
Is it anybody who fights with a sword/katana, or with ANY bladed weapon?
Is it anyone who actually knows how to use a sword and actually uses named attacks to either slash and cut or just anyone who picks up a sword and fights all wild with the sword.
Examples: Luffy with a sword during Wano. Hawkins during Wano using his "straw sword" to manipulate his Hierochy thingy or WB with his Bisento that is a Supreme Grade Blade.

I interpret Mihawk's title as "WGS" because there is a difference between being all powerful in strength and being the best skilled with a sword. Give Kaido a sword will that make him the World's Strongest Pirate Swordsman Creature even if his skill with a sword is like Luffys?
I say Mihawk is the most skilled with a sword but not the strongest in physical strength and power with a sword.
Even then, I doubt Mihawk is the best with a sword...Vista has said that he never fought Mihawk before so how do we know Mihawk is the best, Did Mihawk ever go to Wano and challenge the samurai like Denjiro or Shutenmaru?

I rank Mihawk at YC1 or Admiral level which is below Yonko. Yes below Shanks. Mihawk has yet to show feats that put him equal or above any Yonko. His greatest on panel feat has been fighting Vista and seems neither were serious.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

No one else is close to them as in?
Kaido can't overpower Big Mom in a 3 day fight but he's the WSC and currently rated the strongest pirate in the verse. If anything, the difference between him and Big Mom would be similar to that between Akainu and Kuzan. So they are infact very close.

Ignoring your comments on Mihawk.

When did Kaido fight Big Mum in a 3 day fight? he only fought her for 12hrs

Im ignoring your ignorance on One Piece power levels by the way

it was 12 hours, and i think clearly it was more of a very serious sparring match , i don't think either really had the intention to take each other out , this is more akin to when WB and roger used to clash and fight , then party after, kaido wasn't looking to kill her
also similar tiered people take ages to actually take each other out when serious and with space
ace and jinbei took 3/5 days
aokiji vs akainu took 10 days

literally the same energy and circumstance all in all, it was more like a serious sparring session rather than an all out fight

 

[Nie Li]

I think people have gotten confused with Mihawk's title. Initally, Oda introduced Mihawk as the WGS = World's greatest Swordsman. Recently he's changed it to World's Strongest Swordsman.
Mihawk is pirate and a man, therefore he falls beneath Kaido and WB.

Now what constitutes a "Swordsman" ?
Is it anybody who fights with a sword/katana, or with ANY bladed weapon?
Is it anyone who actually knows how to use a sword and actually uses named attacks to either slash and cut or just anyone who picks up a sword and fights all wild with the sword.
Examples: Luffy with a sword during Wano. Hawkins during Wano using his "straw sword" to manipulate his Hierochy thingy or WB with his Bisento that is a Supreme Grade Blade.

I interpret Mihawk's title as "WGS" because there is a difference between being all powerful in strength and being the best skilled with a sword. Give Kaido a sword will that make him the World's Strongest Pirate Swordsman Creature even if his skill with a sword is like Luffys?
I say Mihawk is the most skilled with a sword but not the strongest in physical strength and power with a sword.
Even then, I doubt Mihawk is the best with a sword...Vista has said that he never fought Mihawk before so how do we know Mihawk is the best, Did Mihawk ever go to Wano and challenge the samurai like Denjiro or Shutenmaru?

I rank Mihawk at YC1 or Admiral level which is below Yonko. Yes below Shanks. Mihawk has yet to show feats that put him equal or above any Yonko. His greatest on panel feat has been fighting Vista and seems neither were serious.

Mihawk's "World's Strongest Swordsman" uses the exact same nomenclature as Whitebeard's "World's Strongest Man".

So either they're the strongest or Whitebeard is somehow "the world's most skilled man" to suit your point.

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Same thing for Kaido's title. Is he the most skilled creature?

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This topic is pretty pointless because the lack of feats, but we know there must be a reason why Mihawk is recognized and respected by his title. Most of the characters in the series had never direclty fought Kaido either and I saw no one discussing his strongest creature title, even when he still had no real feats, and that's simply because he's a Yonko.

Being a Yonko is impressive, but not every pirate wants to be a Yonko just like not every pirate wants to find the One Piece. Mihawk just valued the freedom of being a Shichibukai and living at his own pace rather than competing for territories, especially since he's a loner with no crew or friends (which puts him at a huge disadvantage when compared to any Yonko, but has no implications on a 1v1).

 

[M3J]

Akainu and Aokiji is also very close to being equal on power. They fought even for 10 days:
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-650-page-5.html

Yep, that's why I mentioned Aokiji.


LIterally no proof that Mihawk is the top 3 or even 4 strongest. If he was, then the World Government wouldn't be obsessed with keeping the seven seats of shichibukai filled, they'd be happy with at least two with Mihawk there. THis topic is so tired and boring, there's no new argument here.

 

[Aliocha]

No, because it's not a sword. The blade may be supreme grade but it's stuck on a halberd.

As in my previous comment, I'll avoid the title topic.

"a double-edged long sword with a thick truncated blade"

This is one of the formal definitions of a bisent. If having a different blade mattered, even a sabre would not be considered a sword, snd Shanks couldn’t be called a swordsman. And Oda really compares it to Mihawk's Yoru:

But ok, I won't talk about it with you anymore

 

[Nie Li]

"a double-edged long sword with a thick truncated blade"

This is one of the formal definitions of a bisent. If having a different blade mattered, even a sabre would not be considered a sword, snd Shanks couldn’t be called a swordsman. And Oda really compares it to Mihawk's Yoru:

But ok, I won't talk about it with you anymore

A sabre is a kind of sword, a bisento is not, just like a knife is not. Not every bladed weapon is a sword.

The thing you have just posted also calls it blade, not sword.

 

[LadyVados]

Mihawk is pirate

Press X for doubt.

Also Admiral = Yonko

Also by the time Mihawk reached his prime, Whitebeard was past his. He earned the title of WSM when Mihawk was a teenager. Also with Garp and Roger around it is debatable if he ever was WSM.

 

[Nie Li]

Press X for doubt.

Also Admiral = Yonko

Also by the time Mihawk reached his prime, Whitebeard was past his.

Aren't Shichibukai pirates by definition? Even though some of them didn't act like pirates, none of them ever denied it when they were called pirates.

Crocodile acted publicly as the hero of Arabasta and was the faceless leader of a shady underground organization but he never acted as a pirate captain back then. Kuma was an ex-noble and ex-revolutionary and we never saw him do any piracy either, and though Doflamingo had a pirating past he was now more of a mafia ruler kind of guy. All of them were recognized as pirates and they were called pirates to the face. Mihawk should not be any different despite lacking the classic pirate troupes: He's still a sea pillager.

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On the topic of Mihawk and the Shichibukai.

The Shichibukai's strength as a "group", the seven of them are supposed to balance out the power of the world as one of the three powers, if all of them only ranged around YC levels they'd be a joke of a balancing system. I do believe at least one of them is really beyond that, hinted by how he was even considered for the position at all and offered the deal instead of being hunted down despite being a lone individual from the Roger era, by his past rivalry with Shanks and by the way an old man (100% swordsman) played around with an admiral at an equal level. All together with the fact that none of said two individuals is called the WSS nor laughs at or questions said title's holder.

Can any of that be proven? No, because the plot hasn't reached that part yet and until then everyone is free to focus on what they want to see. Featwise, and individually, yes, we can focus on "he only fought Vista and he didn't destroy him", which is debatable but entirely fair. The topic has really been burned out over the time (by my hand as well) and is simply pointless, because everyone already has a very strongly set mind on the topic and Mihawk's power has not been addressed in the manga for decades. This topic should really wait for until then, or for until when Zoro destroys some YC during these arcs for the implication that Mihawk must be above that.

I'll be glad to acknowledge anything I've got wrong about him if it turns out that I am, just like I'll be glad to celebrate if I'm not. We should just be patient on the topic and simply respect that not everyone interprets the characters the same way until the manga proves anything. That goes for Mihawk, Im, Dragon and the Celestial Dragons alike, characters about which nothing can be proven.

 

[M3J]

I mean, the main reason why becoming a shichibukai is so tempting is because pirates are basically above the law and are mostly free to do whatever they want without the Marines being on their back. I'd wager that only outlaws are eligible to become shichibukai, and Mihawk has been said to be a pirate. If Mihawk really was that strong, then why not have him fight Whitebeard as well?

 

[albertwv]

Press X for doubt.

Also Admiral = Yonko

Also by the time Mihawk reached his prime, Whitebeard was past his. He earned the title of WSM when Mihawk was a teenager. Also with Garp and Roger around it is debatable if he ever was WSM.

Admiral DOES NOT equal Yonko
3 Admirals and none took down WB, they only injured him. Why didnt the 3 admirals band together and stomped him down? Also, it took the combined power of 3 admirals to only deflect 1 earthquake attack from WB who initially used it to attack John Giant.

Sengoku feared that even with all of Marine HQ and Warlords present (3 admirals and Mihawk) that they would still lose the battle versus WB. Sengoku who is intelligent and knowing just how strong each Warlord and Admiral is thought there was a possibility that the Marines may lose.

 

[HereNThere]

The Shichibukai were literally introduced as the only 7 pirates in the world who were recognized and hired by the government. Mihawk is one of the 7, so Mihawk is a pirate. When they showed up in Marineford, the information box, using present tense, referred to them as pirates. That's literally their entire concept and their whole deal. I really can't believe this is a serious discussion.

 

[Pirate Queen]

The Shichibukai were literally introduced as the only 7 pirates in the world who were recognized and hired by the government. Mihawk is one of the 7, so Mihawk is a pirate. When they showed up in Marineford, the information box, using present tense, referred to them as pirates. That's literally their entire concept and their whole deal. I really can't believe this is a serious discussion.

My dude. The lengths people go to deny facts in the OP Fandom will drive you crazy.

I had a whole adult telling me Sanji's perverted gags were much more childish pre time skip.

It's the lack of unbiased thought for me...