One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Lord Traffy Law]

Jozu who is weaker than Vista managed to draw blood from Aokiji- a yonko level fighter yet Vista couldn't even scratch Mihawk.

Context matters, comparisons like this are dumb.

that's a terrible comparison , aokiji was fighting white beard and got blindsided by jozu, that's not saying anything at all, and if anything once aokiji returned the favour he easily won the fight
this is how like when people say wb destroyed akainu, even though akainu left wb significantly worse and gave way more fatal injuries even tho at times he got blindsided

heck akainu and aokiji are way way above yonkou commanders when serious and aware
a literal near crew of the wb pirates with macro , vista , crocodile and the other commanders couldn't stop akainu , he blew through or got through pretty easily till the point they couldn't even chase after him to continue to try and protect luffy even though that was WB's last wish,

 

[Fox666]

point is what u said isn't true, blueno felt it, but sanji never broke through bleuno's tekkai easily, him suddenly even if a barrage , levelling up to jyabura ( with zoan animal boost to boot ) was very surprising within an arc

1 kick vs 100 kicks

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that's a terrible comparison , aokiji was fighting white beard and got blindsided by jozu, that's not saying anything at all, and if anything once aokiji returned the favour he easily won the fight
this is how like when people say wb destroyed akainu, even though akainu left wb significantly worse and gave way more fatal injuries even tho at times he got blindsided

Aokiji was hit by surprise. That Aokiji was bleeding is not surprising at all.

Shanks got his arm eaten by a Sea King.

Where does people got the impression that One Piece is like Dragon Ball, and a stronger character should be invulnerable?

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Aokiji, Big Mom, Kaido, Akainu, Shanks, Kizaru, Blackbeard, Whitebeard, Oden, Roger, Garp, Sengoku, Mihawk.

Only one of these characters has never bled even once on panel. Guess who ?

guess who also hasn't bled on panel BOA HANCOCK, this is a very arbitrary method of measuring power, neither had Vista , that's a very arbitrary measuring stick of power

Kaido is the Worlds Strongest Creature no one in the verse can hope to beat him 1 v 1
Mihawk is Worlds Strongest Swordsman so one one in the verse using a sword can hope to beat him

But saying Kaido can batter Mihawk is just BS, both of them hold tittle of strongest in the world i dont see one battering the other like you are implying. If it was Shanks or Blackbeard then sure they would get battered since they are not the strongest in the world but it would be impossible for people with such tittles to be far above the other, I dont see Kaido being far above Whitebeard 2 years back for him to batter him nor do i see Kaido being far above Mihawk to batter him currently

i agree but come on

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honestly for me that's way more hype than even being called just a strongest swordsman , kaido in a one on one is expected to never lose

 

[LadyVados]

Spoiler: 997

So Zoro is definitely > Kidd

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point is what u said isn't true, blueno felt it, but sanji never broke through bleuno's tekkai easily, him suddenly even if a barrage , levelling up to jyabura ( with zoan animal boost to boot ) was very surprising within an arc

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that's just headcannon
vergo and pica are nowhere close to yc3 level tho, doffy is somewhere between yc 2/3 level
what proof
if anything vergo was the strongest of doffy's exec as doffy kinda considered his right hand man over all and stuff, there's nothing to suggest that hand to hand and haki wise pica comes close to vergo, heck doffy had supreme confidence in vergo's haki skills
pica's fruit is broken for scrubs, but law defeat's pica just as easily as zoro did

1. Spades are considered above hearts in cards
2. Vergo’s main gimmick was full body Haki and Pica has that along with his DF powers.

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guess who also hasn't bled on panel BOA HANCOCK, this is a very arbitrary method of measuring power, neither had Vista , that's a very arbitrary measuring stick of power


i agree but come on

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honestly for me that's way more hype than even being called just a strongest swordsman , kaido in a one on one is expected to never lose

“People say” “known as”

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Spoiler: 997

So Zoro is definitely > Kidd

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1. Spades are considered above hearts in cards
2. Vergo’s main gimmick was full body Haki and Pica has that along with his DF powers.

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“People say” “known as”

Pica's DF isn't very good for even fights. It's way better for fodder clean up imo, but i think it's an agree to disagree moment ( law beat trebol with a hand , law one shotted vergo, kyros was way stronger than diamante and only struggled cause of presence of others , the executives really weren't that strong, i don't think any of them can take any member of the tobi roppo imo )

 

[M3J]

that's a terrible comparison , aokiji was fighting white beard and got blindsided by jozu, that's not saying anything at all, and if anything once aokiji returned the favour he easily won the fight
this is how like when people say wb destroyed akainu, even though akainu left wb significantly worse and gave way more fatal injuries even tho at times he got blindsided

heck akainu and aokiji are way way above yonkou commanders when serious and aware
a literal near crew of the wb pirates with macro , vista , crocodile and the other commanders couldn't stop akainu , he blew through or got through pretty easily till the point they couldn't even chase after him to continue to try and protect luffy even though that was WB's last wish,

Exactly. Akainu has proven to be the closest to an Emperor in terms of power and strength, if not equal, while Aokiji has done well, especially compared to most Whitebeard commanders. No one was able to keep either down, not even Whitebeard.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Exactly. Akainu has proven to be the closest to an Emperor in terms of power and strength, if not equal, while Aokiji has done well, especially compared to most Whitebeard commanders. No one was able to keep either down, not even Whitebeard.

all the admirals did well against whitebeard during prolonged confrontation

kizaru got him good and he was facing kizaru focused on him ( pinned his weapon kinda casually even )

 

[Silvers Horse]

1. Spades are considered above hearts in cards
2. Vergo’s main gimmick was full body Haki and Pica has that along with his DF powers.

Pica has a very tricky DF and might be stronger than Vergo, but these two arguments don't hold up imo:
1. They saved the heart seat for Law and Law is stronger than Pica.
2. Full body haki is not equally strong on different people.

Exactly. Akainu has proven to be the closest to an Emperor in terms of power and strength, if not equal, while Aokiji has done well, especially compared to most Whitebeard commanders. No one was able to keep either down, not even Whitebeard.

Akainu and Aokiji is also very close to being equal on power. They fought even for 10 days:
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-650-page-5.html

 

[Shasha23]

Pica has a very tricky DF and might be stronger than Vergo, but these two arguments don't hold up imo:
1. They saved the heart seat for Law and Law is stronger than Pica.
2. Full body haki is not equally strong on different people.

Yeap.

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Also people seem to think Doffy thought of Vergo as his right hand when he never did LOL, Trebol was the chief of staff while Doffy wanted Law to be his right hand and was saving the heart sit for him.
As for Pica vs Vergo, its obvious that Pica in an environment with rocks is well above Vergo in terms of speed, defense and attack but it would be different in another place with fewer rocks, anyway from their showings Pica is above Vergo, Diamante and Trebol only because he has a ridiculously OP ability

 

[Fox666]

Yeap.

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Also people seem to think Doffy thought of Vergo as his right hand when he never did LOL, Trebol was the chief of staff while Doffy wanted Law to be his right hand and was saving the heart sit for him.
As for Pica vs Vergo, its obvious that Pica in an environment with rocks is well above Vergo in terms of speed, defense and attack but it would be different in another place with fewer rocks, anyway from their showings Pica is above Vergo, Diamante and Trebol only because he has a ridiculously OP ability

Trebol, Diamante, and Pica have equal ranking among Doflamingo's crew, each one controlling an army of their own.

IMHO it's obvious that they are equal in strength too.

Vergo seems to be Doflamingo's most trustworthy subordinate, and have a special standing among the executives.

Also both Doflamingo and Ceasar were confident that Vergo could defeat Luffy and Law. By comparison, Doflamingo was afraid of letting Law get close to Trebol during their fight.

 

[Shasha23]

Trebol, Diamante, and Pica have equal ranking among Doflamingo's crew, each one controlling an army of their own.

Law just told you that Trebol thought of himself as chief of staff and even he didnt say anything since he believed he gave Doffy power, it was perfectly insinuated at that point that among all, Trebol ranked higher even though Doffy didnt see it that wat but everyone else did.

IMHO it's obvious that they are equal in strength too.

Vergo seems to be Doflamingo's most trustworthy subordinate, and have a special standing among the executives.

Also both Doflamingo and Ceasar were confident that Vergo could defeat Luffy and Law. By comparison, Doflamingo was afraid of letting Law get close to Trebol during their fight.

Your opinion does not trump manga facts, unfortunately!

Doffy never trusted Vergo more than anyone, when it came to trusting you could say Doffy trusted Trebol the most since he was responsible for Sugar and his empire.

Doffy was confident in Vergo beating Law because of the heart but warned Vergo of Luffy saying he was of a much higher calibre then Law, Doffy was only afraid of Law that time because of what happened to Vergo, also Doffy was more confident in Pica since he put him close to him as the only one who could protect him from enemies, so if you wana talk about trust Doffy trusted Pica more than anyone since he was the only one capable of guarding him

 

[Fox666]

Law just told you that Trebol thought of himself as chief of staff and even he didnt say anything since he believed he gave Doffy power, it was perfectly insinuated at that point that among all, Trebol ranked higher even though Doffy didnt see it that wat but everyone else did.

Trebol position is not "Chief of Staff" (参謀長), but the "Staff Officer" (参謀).

Staff Officer is not necessarily a position of authority. Ideaman is the Staff Officer of the Krieg Pirates, but his position is below Gin.

Your opinion does not trump manga facts, unfortunately!

Doffy never trusted Vergo more than anyone, when it came to trusting you could say Doffy trusted Trebol the most since he was responsible for Sugar and his empire.

Doffy was confident in Vergo beating Law because of the heart but warned Vergo of Luffy saying he was of a much higher calibre then Law, Doffy was only afraid of Law that time because of what happened to Vergo, also Doffy was more confident in Pica since he put him close to him as the only one who could protect him from enemies, so if you wana talk about trust Doffy trusted Pica more than anyone since he was the only one capable of guarding him

Doflamingo trusts all of his subordinates, but Vergo mission was special even among them.

 

[Shasha23]

Trebol position is not "Chief of Staff" (参謀長), but the "Staff Officer" (参謀).

Staff Officer is not necessarily a position of authority. Ideaman is the Staff Officer of the Krieg Pirates, but his position is below Gin.

Same difference, also like Gin was, Doffy wanted Law as his right hand!

Doflamingo trusts all of his subordinates, but Vergo mission was special even among them.

NO,

guarding the Mera Mera no Mi from Luffy means Doffy believed Diamante was stronger than Vergo sine he had doubts of Vergo beating Luffy!
guarding Sugar means and not reprimanding Trenbol from bossing everyone around means Doffy thought of Trebol as the highest after him!
placing Pica next to him as his guard means Doffy thought of Pica as his strongest subordinate and was confidant with him around nothing would happen

 

[Fox666]

guarding the Mera Mera no Mi from Luffy means Doffy believed Diamante was stronger than Vergo sine he had doubts of Vergo beating Luffy!
guarding Sugar means and not reprimanding Trenbol from bossing everyone around means Doffy thought of Trebol as the highest after him!
placing Pica next to him as his guard means Doffy thought of Pica as his strongest subordinate and was confidant with him around nothing would happen

Is that not just their jobs?

Diamante was responsible for the Corrida Colosseum, that's why he was guarding the Mera Mera no Mi.

Trebol leads the army of the special abilities, hence why he was guarding Sugar.

When did Doflamingo had Pica as his bodyguard? When the 3 executives meet in the palace, Trebol stayed with Doflamingo, Diamante was guarding the front of the palace, and Pica went to fight Luffy and the others. If anything, he was the one furthest from Doflamingo.

 

[Shasha23]

Is that not just their jobs?

Diamante was responsible for the Corrida Colosseum, that's why he was guarding the Mera Mera no Mi.

Trebol leads the army of the special abilities, hence why he was guarding Sugar.

When did Doflamingo had Pica as his bodyguard? When the 3 executives meet in the palace, Trebol stayed with Doflamingo, Diamante was guarding the front of the palace, and Pica went to fight Luffy and the others. If anything, he was the one furthest from Doflamingo.

Doffy knew Vergo cant beat Luffy 100% but though Diamante can, so what does that tell you?

Pica was responsible for guarding the castle, that's why Viola said if Pica gets involved its impossible to reach Doffy.

 

[McNuss]

Doffy knew Vergo cant beat Luffy 100% but though Diamante can, so what does that tell you?

Pica was responsible for guarding the castle, that's why Viola said if Pica gets involved its impossible to reach Doffy.

The Corrida Colliseum wasn't to take Luffy out it it was to lock him away, it was a trap. The final battle was originally supposed to be much different, there was a round of 1v1s set up vs the Diamante army, so the original plan was to have a majority in a match that involves catching something on top of flying fish. Luffy vs 5 other allied guys would have been a much different scenario.

 

[Shasha23]

The Corrida Colliseum wasn't to take Luffy out it it was to lock him away, it was a trap. The final battle was originally supposed to be much different, there was a round of 1v1s set up vs the Diamante army, so the original plan was to have a majority in a match that involves catching something on top of flying fish. Luffy vs 5 other allied guys would have been a much different scenario.

No the coliseum was to change Luffy from trying to be Pirate King to being an entertainer.
Doffy knew Luffy would reach the final and wanted Diamante to not only beat him but to change him, that why he was so confident in Diamante, thats why after Diamante lost he blamed Sabo for getting in the way

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Where's this warlord wank coming from
The warlords are an extra power meant to counterbalance the yonkou but I don't think the warlords could challenge a yonkou crew

The warlords strength vary greatly
So far the strongest ones are about yonkou commander level ( boa doflamingo kuma law ) and the weakest are around vice admiral ( Moriah ) , I exclude Michael cause we haven't seen him completely let loose
Mihawk is very powerful but so far the highest thing we've seen on him is him fighting with vista seriously , I do believe he's super strong but we have no idea just how powerful

The reverence given to kaido , big mum seems higher
People genuinely seem more in awe of their strength
I'm honestly more interested who was the better swordsman between odeñ and Mihawk , I'm actually leaning towards time of death odeñ significantly

 

[Shasha23]

Where's this warlord wank coming from
The warlords are an extra power meant to counterbalance the yonkou but I don't think the warlords could challenge a yonkou crew

The warlords strength vary greatly
So far the strongest ones are about yonkou commander level ( boa doflamingo kuma law ) and the weakest are around vice admiral ( Moriah ) , I exclude Michael cause we haven't seen him completely let loose
Mihawk is very powerful but so far the highest thing we've seen on him is him fighting with vista seriously , I do believe he's super strong but we have no idea just how powerful

The reverence given to kaido , big mum seems higher
People genuinely seem more in awe of their strength
I'm honestly more interested who was the better swordsman between odeñ and Mihawk , I'm actually leaning towards time of death odeñ significantly

Thats the flaw in your view.
Mihawk is above Shanks, Big Mum and Blackbeard so how are you saying commander level?

even if we dont like it it, Mihawk, Kaido and Whitebeard are the top 3 so no one else is close to them

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Thats the flaw in your view.
Mihawk is above Shanks, Big Mum and Blackbeard so how are you saying commander level?

even if we dont like it it, Mihawk, Kaido and Whitebeard are the top 3 so no one else is close to them

No one else is close to them as in?
Kaido can't overpower Big Mom in a 3 day fight but he's the WSC and currently rated the strongest pirate in the verse. If anything, the difference between him and Big Mom would be similar to that between Akainu and Kuzan. So they are infact very close.

Ignoring your comments on Mihawk.