One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[LadyVados]

What I said did imply Mihawk will injure Him but to beat him? Na highly doubt that.

you think if they fight 10 times, Mihawk can’t even win once ?

 

[Pro Ban Corps]

you think if they fight 10 times, Mihawk can’t even win once ?

In a 1v1 always bet on Kaido.
that’s all I’m saying to your question.

 

[Shasha23]

Okayy maybe batter wasn’t the right word, but take Wano for example. These guys 9v1 and they’re no pushovers. Kaido has already done them in.
What I said did imply Mihawk will injure Him but to beat him? Na highly doubt that.

No one is beating Kaido in the verse thats my point, but for those who hold the title of World Strongest it probably isnt as obvious as to who would win unlike if we pit them (Kaido or Mihawk) against people like Shanks and Blackbeard, for them beating those yonko would be a guarantee but for them beating each other is probably not so obvious.

I exclude Big Mum because unlike every other person in the verse she is more like a calamity/disaster waiting to happen, i doubt anyone would outright beat her in a fight, her only downfall is that if a fight lasts more than a day she would get too hungry and lose her sense of reason and then she would be killed.

 

[Pro Ban Corps]

No one is beating Kaido in the verse thats my point, but for those who hold the title of World Strongest it probably isnt as obvious as to who would win unlike if we pit them (Kaido or Mihawk) against people like Shanks and Blackbeard, for them beating those yonko would be a guarantee but for them beating each other is probably not so obvious.

I exclude Big Mum because unlike every other person in the verse she is more like a calamity/disaster waiting to happen, i doubt anyone would outright beat her in a fight, her only downfall is that if a fight lasts more than a day she would get too hungry and lose her sense of reason and then she would be killed.

Saying the same thing then.

 

[Shasha23]

Saying the same thing then.

Yes i just didnt agree with that "battered" part but yes everything else i agree

 

[LadyVados]

In a 1v1 always bet on Kaido.
that’s all I’m saying to your question.

“People say in a 1v1 bet on Kaido”

 

[Silvers Horse]

So how strong do you guys believe that the WS are compared to others?

How many fights would Kaido win out of 10 vs. Big Mom?
How many fights would Mihawk win out of 10 vs. Shanks?

@LordWhis how come you rate Pica as a YC4? He has a tricky DF a can cause a lot of destruction sure, but Zoro one shotted him when he was out in the open. I mean we haven't seen top 5 YC getting one shotted a lot. Not even by Admirals og Yonkous, maybe with the exception of a young Ace before he became the 2. divison captain.

 

[Shasha23]

So how strong do you guys believe that the WS are compared to others?

How many fights would Kaido win out of 10 vs. Big Mom?
How many fights would Mihawk win out of 10 vs. Shanks?

@LordWhis how come you rate Pica as a YC4? He has a tricky DF a can cause a lot of destruction sure, but Zoro one shotted him when he was out in the open. I mean we haven't seen top 5 YC getting one shotted a lot. Not even by Admirals og Yonkous, maybe with the exception of a young Ace before he became the 2. divison captain.

Big Mum is a different story, Kaido cant overpower her, no one in One Piece can overpower her, but Kaido is not an idiot he will just make the fight last long enough for Big Mum to get hungry and lose her mind, at which point Kaido can easily kill her, so kaido wins 10 out of 10 times.
Shanks is inferior to Mihawk so he loses every time.

Cracker got OHKO by Luffy

 

[Silvers Horse]

Big Mum is a different story, Kaido cant overpower her, no one in One Piece can overpower her, but Kaido is not an idiot he will just make the fight last long enough for Big Mum to get hungry and lose her mind, at which point Kaido can easily kill her, so kaido wins 10 out of 10 times.
Shanks is inferior to Mihawk so he loses every time.

Cracker got OHKO by Luffy

Interesting

Being WS something does not mean that you are way above everyone else imo. I think they are more even than that.

Maybe Kaido wins and 6 or 7 times. Similar with Mihawk and Shanks. I think they are very close in power. Maybe Mihawk wins 6 or 7 times.

Cracker and Pica fights are very similar in terms of hiding until getting oneshotted. Nice one I still find Pica to be weaker than YC4's but I guess we only would know if we knew Zoro's strength lol.

 

[Shasha23]

Interesting

Being WS something does not mean that you are way above everyone else imo. I think they are more even than that.

Maybe Kaido wins and 6 or 7 times. Similar with Mihawk and Shanks. I think they are very close in power. Maybe Mihawk wins 6 or 7 times.

Cracker and Pica fights are very similar in terms of hiding until getting oneshotted. Nice one I still find Pica to be weaker than YC4's but I guess we only would know if we knew Zoro's strength lol.

That wouldn't make sense, Big Mum's personality is not up to the standard where she can beat Kaido in a prolonged fight, she will eventually succumb to her hunger and lose reasoning causing her to weaken and Kaido killing her.
Mihawk is stronger and should win every time, there wont be times where he has cramps or something and lose, his title is the strongest means that, he is stronger and wont lose to anyone.

It would be more interesting if it was Mihawk vs Akainu or Kaido vs Akainu, since unlike Shanks and Big Mum he doesn't share their weaknesses and given that Kaido doesnt like blocking or dodging it would make for an interesting fight.

Yeah its pretty hard to place Pica, with his ability active he is almost unstoppable but when he isnt using his ability he is nothing special, maybe is is YC4 but i doubt it.

 

[Silvers Horse]

That wouldn't make sense, Big Mum's personality is not up to the standard where she can beat Kaido in a prolonged fight, she will eventually succumb to her hunger and lose reasoning causing her to weaken and Kaido killing her.
Mihawk is stronger and should win every time, there wont be times where he has cramps or something and lose, his title is the strongest means that, he is stronger and wont lose to anyone.

It would be more interesting if it was Mihawk vs Akainu or Kaido vs Akainu, since unlike Shanks and Big Mum he doesn't share their weaknesses and given that Kaido doesnt like blocking or dodging it would make for an interesting fight.

Yeah its pretty hard to place Pica, with his ability active he is almost unstoppable but when he isnt using his ability he is nothing special, maybe is is YC4 but i doubt it.

Big Mom would only loose if she gets a hunger fit and we don't really know how often she does that. Would you rate Kaido and Big Mom even, if she didn't get hungry?

Winning 6 out of 10 hypotherical fights also means you are stronger.

 

[Shasha23]

Big Mom would only loose if she gets a hunger fit and we don't really know how often she does that. Would you rate Kaido and Big Mom even, if she didn't get hungry?

Winning 6 out of 10 hypotherical fights also means you are stronger.

If she didnt get hungry i fear no one could beat her, Big Mum has been written as a calamity that cant be stopped, she is a force of nature that even Roger who wanted fights avoided fighting her. If Big Mum was sane of mind she would have taken over the world by now but because she is childlike and never plans anything and because of her hunger she has weaknesses.
So yeah if Big Mum didnt have those weaknesses there would be no one in the verse who could beat her.

If you are written as stronger you will win every time, unlike if you are even and you would only win by a fluke because of determination (Sabo and Ace for example, they were even and Ace only won because of his stronger will)

 

[hokageji]

But Zoro didn't accomplish anything against Fujitora...

That's my point, and neither did Jinbei against Akainu...

This is funny... jimbei faced the strongest of the admirals, faced a yonko and managed to push her back. Something all the other SH couldn’t manage.

it took luffy and Sanji to stop BM, but in Wano, Jimbe was able to also stop BM attacking people.

You are taking it out of ccontext.. I mentioned Yonko too, just that his battle against Akainu doesn't prove it.

Lets move on, we are battling over specifics and it'll digress the main topic.

 

[Silvers Horse]

If she didnt get hungry i fear no one could beat her, Big Mum has been written as a calamity that cant be stopped, she is a force of nature that even Roger who wanted fights avoided fighting her. If Big Mum was sane of mind she would have taken over the world by now but because she is childlike and never plans anything and because of her hunger she has weaknesses.
So yeah if Big Mum didnt have those weaknesses there would be no one in the verse who could beat her.

If you are written as stronger you will win every time, unlike if you are even and you would only win by a fluke because of determination (Sabo and Ace for example, they were even and Ace only won because of his stronger will)

So you think characters can only be dead even or win/loose 10 out of 10? That makes no sense imo.

 

[hokageji]

If she didnt get hungry i fear no one could beat her, Big Mum has been written as a calamity that cant be stopped, she is a force of nature that even Roger who wanted fights avoided fighting her. If Big Mum was sane of mind she would have taken over the world by now but because she is childlike and never plans anything and because of her hunger she has weaknesses.
So yeah if Big Mum didnt have those weaknesses there would be no one in the verse who could beat her.

If you are written as stronger you will win every time, unlike if you are even and you would only win by a fluke because of determination (Sabo and Ace for example, they were even and Ace only won because of his stronger will)

I agree with this, without comparisons to Kaido though. Big Mama is a freaking force of nature. Albeit her hungerpangs are not necessarily a weakness, its the mother carmel picture or anything that triggers those memories. I dont know how Luffy would fair against her in hungerpangs either, but her woken state is surely more dangerous in a battle.

 

[M3J]

Jozu who is weaker than Vista managed to draw blood from Aokiji- a yonko level fighter yet Vista couldn't even scratch Mihawk.

Context matters, comparisons like this are dumb.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Here's my updated ranking in order of strength! You may or may not read in to it. In a sense it's my POV of how I see the elite characters in One Piece both alive and dead and their overall ranking taking in to perspective their combat strength in their prime - especially for those who are beyond that age/dead - and currently as the story goes.
Notice the 3 asterisked characters more explanation about why they are ranked there and my reason behind it...


Character: Tier

Roger: Legendary
Whitebeard: Legendary
Garp: Legendary
Xebec: Legendary
Sengoku: Legendary
Rayleigh: Legendary
Kaido: Legendary
Shanks: Great - Legendary
Big Mom: Great - Legendary
*Oden: Great - Legendary
*Blackbeard: Great
Akainu & Aokiji: Great
Kizaru: Great
Fujitora & Ryokogyu: Great
*Mihawk: Great
Beckman: Great
Marco: Great
Katakuri: Great
King: Great
Weevil: Great
Tsuru: Great

From here on, the list broadens and accomodates too many characters mostly in the YC level category. Many of whom we are familiar with. I may decide to share my thoughts on those when I have the chance but I'll stop here for now.

So as for the asterisked trio:

1) The only reason Oden isn't in the Legendary tier is due to the fact that he died just before his prime (he was almost there). He definitely would have been at least on par with Rayleigh but an untimely death prevented that. I'm one of those who feel he might have reached a similar level to Roger and Whitebeard if only he lived like 20 years more.

2) Blackbeard may be the freshest Yonko in terms of coronation - of course Shanks has the best looks and is the youngest of the 4 - and that shouldn't necessarily be a judge of his strength compared to the rest but it just feels that way to me. He may as well be in the Great - Legendary tier of my list (sitting bottom) but I'd regretfully settle with him taking the no. 1 spot among the Great tier.

3) The most handsome Shichibukai ever elected. Arguably the most handsome character in the series. I feel there's a slim chance Mihawk ranks with the Great - Legendary tier but that just doesn't sit well with what I've seen so far. This is the one character that has caused me a little headache but the least he can be is being on par with characters in the Great tier. I hope I don't regret this decision when the Mihawk reveal begins and the man shows off his sword skills

 

[LadyVados]

Here's my updated ranking in order of strength! You may or may not read in to it. In a sense it's my POV of how I see the elite characters in One Piece both alive and dead and their overall ranking taking in to perspective their combat strength in their prime - especially for those who are beyond that age/dead - and currently as the story goes.
Notice the 3 asterisked characters more explanation about why they are ranked there and my reason behind it...


Character: Tier

Roger: Legendary
Whitebeard: Legendary
Garp: Legendary
Xebec: Legendary
Sengoku: Legendary
Rayleigh: Legendary
Kaido: Legendary
Shanks: Great - Legendary
Big Mom: Great - Legendary
*Oden: Great - Legendary
*Blackbeard: Great
Akainu & Aokiji: Great
Kizaru: Great
Fujitora & Ryokogyu: Great
*Mihawk: Great
Beckman: Great
Marco: Great
Katakuri: Great
King: Great
Weevil: Great
Tsuru: Great

From here on, the list broadens and accomodates too many characters mostly in the YC level category. Many of whom we are familiar with. I may decide to share my thoughts on those when I have the chance but I'll pause here for now.

So as for the asterisked trio:

1) The only reason Oden isn't in the Legendary tier is due to the fact that he died just before his prime (he was almost there). He definitely would have been at least on par with Rayleigh but an untimely death prevented that. I'm one of those who feel he might have reached a similar level to Roger and Whitebeard if only he lived like 20 years more.

2) Blackbeard may be the freshest Yonko in terms of coronation - of course Shanks has the best looks and is the youngest of the 4 - and that shouldn't necessarily be a judge of his strength compared to the rest but it just feels that way to me. He may as well be in the Great - Legendary tier of my list (sitting bottom) but I'd regretfully settle with him taking the no. 1 spot among the Great tier.

3) The most handsome Shichibukai ever elected. Arguably the most handsome character in the series. I feel there's a slim chance Mihawk ranks with the Great - Legendary tier but that just doesn't sit well with what I've seen so far. This is the one character that has caused me a little headache but the least he can be is being on par with characters in the Great tier. I hope I don't regret this decision when the Mihawk reveal begins and the man shows off his sword skills

As long as you have Rayleigh at legendary I am totally fine with it !

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My personal rating-

Legendary- Roger, Ryuma, Rocks, WB, Garp, Rayleigh, Sengoku, Mihawk, Kaido

Great-Legendary- Shanks, Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Tsuru, Big Mom, Dragon, Oden, Z, BB if he isn’t going to get a 3rd fruit

Great- Blackbeard if he is going to get a 3rd fruit, Fujitora, Greenbull, Beckman, Marco, Luffy, Zoro

The reason I moved Mihawk up to Legendary is because as the WSS he should be stronger than Big Mom who is only very slightly weaker than Kaido so via powerscaling he should be about as strong as Kaido, maybe slightly weaker, maybe slightly stronger.

Ryuma I think has the hype to be legendary.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

There's nothing strange about Sanji defeating Jabra.

Sanji wasn't ready for Tekkai, but Blueno felt his second kick:

With Jabra, he used a barrage of kicks right away:

point is what u said isn't true, blueno felt it, but sanji never broke through bleuno's tekkai easily, him suddenly even if a barrage , levelling up to jyabura ( with zoan animal boost to boot ) was very surprising within an arc

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He is a dog but he is top 1. Akainu and Shanks are WG dogs too, so what ?

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Zoro beat Pica who was stronger than Vergo who is YC4 level.

Zoro > Pica > Vergo > Sanji < Judge = Snack.

Heck Vergo didn't even use his full power against Sanji, he's probably above YC4 level.

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Mihawk never does any pirate-ey things according to your logic.

that's just headcannon
vergo and pica are nowhere close to yc3 level tho, doffy is somewhere between yc 2/3 level
what proof
if anything vergo was the strongest of doffy's exec as doffy kinda considered his right hand man over all and stuff, there's nothing to suggest that hand to hand and haki wise pica comes close to vergo, heck doffy had supreme confidence in vergo's haki skills
pica's fruit is broken for scrubs, but law defeat's pica just as easily as zoro did

 

[Nie Li]

point is what u said isn't true, blueno felt it, but sanji never broke through bleuno's tekkai easily, him suddenly even if a barrage , levelling up to jyabura ( with zoan animal boost to boot ) was very surprising within an arc

Especifically within half a day.