One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Pirate Queen]

so so tired of this, kaido and big mum were not going serious at it, it's similar to roger vs whitebeard , it was more like a serious sparring session then they partied after

it's actually the exact same thing, neither injured each other at all, they weren't truly going at it, plus wasn't it just 12 hours
kaido vs big mum

rooger vs whitebeard

I agree with you completely i just didn't have the time to go into the detail you did. Thank u

 

[LadyVados]

The thing is that neither of them was going all out (It’s not like BM was going all out and Kaido was holding back or anything like that) What Oda was implying here (And in Roger and WB) was that these 2 people were on the same level/very close in power and a battle between them will take days to resolve (even when they’re serious).

 

[M3J]

The databooks have Eiichiro Oda listed as the author, and the interviews are the closest thing we get from him.

Both are canon.

I don't get this communities obsession with titles.

Is Christiano Ronaldo the best football (soccer) player or is it Messi? Or was it Pelle? Right now, there are likely many people that claim it was Maradona...

In sports you have thousands of these examples. Xy is the best <insert sport> and there is no definite way to measure it.

Anyways I proclaim that as long as she is in the right state of mind*, Big Mom is the strongest. And that's true both for the post Xebec Roger era and the present time.

*No craving, amnesia or Carmel trauma.

Interviews are not canon, and vivre cards aren't always accurate because they're not supposed to spoil before chapters are out. Didn't they used to say Sabo was dead or imply that?

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

IMO

Doffy- YC2 level

Pica-YC3 level

Vergo- YC3.5 level

come on, pica and vergo are getting the shit beaten out of them by both cracker ( imo doffy would struggle with cracker heavily) and jack, nowhere close to those guys , plus ace, jozu and vista are presumably the 3rd commander of the whitebeard pirates, and they are also absolutely beating the shit out of pica and vergo , again pica's ability is actually only good for clearing fodders, decent fighters rarely got hit by his attacks once they starting moving, he's super slow to hit guys
doffy and cracker are around the same level

 

[LadyVados]

come on, pica and vergo are getting the shit beaten out of them by both cracker ( imo doffy would struggle with cracker heavily) and jack, nowhere close to those guys , plus ace, jozu and vista are presumably the 3rd commander of the whitebeard pirates, and they are also absolutely beating the shit out of pica and vergo , again pica's ability is actually only good for clearing fodders, decent fighters rarely got hit by his attacks once they starting moving, he's super slow to hit guys
doffy and cracker are around the same level

We know Judge is YC4 level.

Sanji was able to give Judge a hard fight.

Vergo demolished Sanji.

 

[XXGenesis]

I wouldn't mind if Kaido stays cemented as the strongest that was brought down through team effort. If he dies this arc, no matter how much stronger Blackbeard or Luffy get, or how strong Mihawk turns out to be, no one will be able to deny that "Kaido was stronger", since there will be no way to compare their power for sure after he's dead.

And it won't really matter since the rest of the Yonko are likely to go down 1 on 1.

I believe Kaido will be taken down by a group effort. With Zoro causing sufficient injury similar to Oden. Then Luffy finishes him off with a advanced King Kong.

Other than Kaido. I don’t believe Luffy will be getting any further help in his fights be Any of th

We know Kaido couldn’t beat BM within 3 days, so if someone beats BM and the battle lasts less than 3 days, you could argue that person is definitively stronger than Kaido.

BM back in the day use to be stronger than Kaido imo and that favor he owes her is probably her saving him from the Marines or something.

Now however BM is older than Kaido. He may be in more prime shape than her and have been mobilizing his forces over the years for a War. So that’s probably why he’s looked at as the strongest.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

We know Judge is YC4 level.

Sanji was able to give Judge a hard fight.

Vergo demolished Sanji.

sanji didn't use serious attacks against judge, it was casual
and again
are katakuri and jack even be the remotely same class, yc classes have big classes between yc 1 and 2 seem somewhat close, yc3 are tough outs, snack is wayyyy below them
it's not strict it's like shichibukai, wild variations of strength

 

[LadyVados]

sanji didn't use serious attacks against judge, it was casual

That supports my point

 

[XXGenesis]

We know Judge is YC4 level.

Sanji was able to give Judge a hard fight.

Vergo demolished Sanji.

Judge Survived against Snack. The match was off-panel. At best he can survive against a 4th seat Commander.

Judge imo is not stronger than Haki or his children. Judge defeated Sanji because he uses his soldiers as fodder. Sanji isn’t the type to continue fighting & waste Ppl’s life nor was the plot headed in that direction.

The other Vinsmoke’s are YC 4 imo. Ichiji is probably YC 3.5. Sanji was able to beat up Niji & Yonji but without their Raid Suits.

 

[albertwv]

Judge Survived against Snack. The match was off-panel. At best he can survive against a 4th seat Commander.

Judge imo is not stronger than Haki or his children. Judge defeated Sanji because he uses his soldiers as fodder. Sanji isn’t the type to continue fighting & waste Ppl’s life nor was the plot headed in that direction.

The other Vinsmoke’s are YC 4 imo. Ichiji is probably YC 3.5. Sanji was able to beat up Niji & Yonji but without their Raid Suits.

Judge vs Snack keeps coming up a lot. In the manga (the only source I trust), they only faced off, no combat and no outcome. So I dont think of it as anything. I wont claim Judge = Snack. I dont think the rest of the Vinsmokes are anywhere near YC level. They are below YCs and above VAs, at the YE lvl (Yonko Executive)

Examples of YE: Oven, Daifuku, Flying 6, Hawkins, Apoo, Baron Tamago, WB Pirates Commanders, etc.

 

[HereNThere]

Let's switch gears...

Will Crocodile retroactively be given future sight?

One of the facets of his mastery was activating his Logia abilities by reflex. However, in the New World, that shouldn't make a difference due to haki...unless he had FS.

 

[LadyVados]

Let's switch gears...

Will Crocodile retroactively be given future sight?

One of the facets of his mastery was activating his Logia abilities by reflex. However, in the New World, that shouldn't make a difference due to haki...unless he had FS.

I could see it. But I also kinda want Crocodile to be a guy who is a monster without any Haki.

 

[kkck]

I could see it. But I also kinda want Crocodile to be a guy who is a monster without any Haki.

I would argue that is something that can't exist within OP. Unless there is technology involved and even then its questionable. Haki is ultimately the core of combat in this series.

 

[Nie Li]

Crocodile with no haki was a monster for Paradise standards, but for the real monsters of the world, if he has no haki, he's an ant.

 

[kkck]

To add to that, it's not like a haki difference between two people adds up to an unsurmountable obstacle. Say, luffy without haki did defeat the boa sisters. But that ultimately played out that way because gear 2 was THAT big a boost for luffy. But imagine how that plays out when you opponent is not a measly sandersonia but rather a yonko commander or a yonko. Can you imagine the sheer physical might you need to overcome haki at that level without haki? Or the sheer speed you'd need to overcome foresight without foresight of your own? When in this series the top tiers varying degrees of mastery in haki, martial arts and devil fruits....

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Crocodile with no haki was a monster for Paradise standards, but for the real monsters of the world, if he has no haki, he's an ant.

crocodile. strong as shit, think luffy winning was sorta a fluke imo
crocodile was levels above him in marineford

hhe left the war kinda cleanm\ crocodile strong as shit

 

[Nie Li]

crocodile. strong as shit, think luffy winning was sorta a fluke imo
crocodile was levels above him in marineford

hhe left the war kinda cleanm\ crocodile strong as shit

I stand by my comment: If he has no haki, he's an ant when compared to the real monsters.

 

[XXGenesis]

crocodile. strong as shit, think luffy winning was sorta a fluke imo
crocodile was levels above him in marineford

hhe left the war kinda cleanm\ crocodile strong as shit

ODA has mentioned that he introduced Crocodile too early in the series. Most logical assumption would be that Croc grew stronger while in Impel Down.I think it’s safe to say he got a Buff.

Haki aside & his DF weakness of any liquids. Croc should have been physically Luffy’s superior still. Faster & stronger, Oda simply put him in too early. Even when you look back at Mr.1 & Zoro learning Haki from back then....it’s like kinda like huh

What’s the consensus with Moriah? How’s that scrub manage to survive in the NW, & make it out to challenge Kiado in crushing defeat. I can’t gauge his threat lv from back then to now.

 

[albertwv]

Crocodile was introduced in the early stages of OP. CoA was probably not even in Oda's mind. We see Crocodile as one of the weakest villains because of how early he was defeated in the plot.
Then in Marineford it seem he got a power up. I think Oda decided to give Crocodile a fair power up.
I assume Crocodile knows haki CoA and CoC and he is no "ant" even by NW standards.

 

[HereNThere]

Crocodile was introduced in the early stages of OP. CoA was probably not even in Oda's mind. We see Crocodile as one of the weakest villains because of how early he was defeated in the plot.
Then in Marineford it seem he got a power up. I think Oda decided to give Crocodile a fair power up.
I assume Crocodile knows haki CoA and CoC and he is no "ant" even by NW standards.

This is basically what I was about to post.

Crocoboy was introduced way early in the series, before Haki was even a thing in Oda's mind. We see the same thing with Ace, who never portrayed any haki feats but was retroactively revealed to have had haki. It's highly likely that he will have haki when he pops back up in the series, which is what prompted my question.