One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Nie Li]

In terms of powerscaling... yes.

But in terms of all else? Let's just put it like this...

For the lost... Hancock is the Way
For the hungry... Hancock is sustenance
For the blind... Hancock is sight
For the enslaved... Hancock is freedom
For liars... Hancock is the truth
For the poor... Hancock is value

Of all the fans of Hancock-sama... I am #1. If the world is against Hancock then I put myself AGAINST THE ENTIRE WORLD.

And why is this? Whether she strangle a kitten, or robs from the poor she is #1

BECAUSE....

She is beautiful... and she will be forgiven!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Against Mihawk's Black blade, she will turn it to stone and break it....

Against Whitebeard's quakes she will freeze them in place

Against Kaido she while gain a stone dragon statue to place in her throne room and use as a new throne.

Against Shanks she will turn him into a quadruple amputee

Against Big Mom she would drown her in her beauty

Against Roger she would have ensured he never became Pirate King

AGAINST ROCKS SHE WOULD RETURN HIM TO HIS NAMESAKE... SHE WOULD TURN HIM INTO... ROCKS!!!! A stupid pile of rocks....

HANCOCK-SAMA! HANCOCK-SAMA


BANZAI HANCOCK-SAMA!!!!

Oh, wow. I didn't expect such an answer.

I really like that dedication to your fave so I'll heart react that post even despite that thing about Yoru. lol

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I do wonder if haki can stop Hancock's petrifying power. The way she was so surprised at Luffy being immune despite all of her tribe having CoA certainly makes it seem like no one in the world is immune or at least only really advanced CoA users.

There has to be some immunity to it or she would really break Yoru and Kaido down.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Oh, wow. I didn't expect such an answer.

I really like that dedication to your fave so I'll heart react that post even despite that thing about Yoru. lol

You are still a babe sucking at the teet of this one piece forum if you don't know better than to broach the subject of Hancock-sama to me.

Even the greatest among us know not to bash Hebihime-sama in my presence lol

And now that the trolling is put of the way... haki doesn't negate DF powers that we have seen. And we have had plenty of opportunity to see that. Doflamingo's strings did get negative when Luffy used haki. It seems to be just a special case with logias becoming tangible. Haki doesn't negate df powers, it just allows the user to reach the users real body

 

[Nie Li]

You are still a babe sucking at the teet of this one piece forum if you don't know better than to broach the subject of Hancock-sama to me.

Even the greatest among us know not to bash Hebihime-sama in my presence lol

And now that the trolling is put of the way... haki doesn't negate DF powers that we have seen. And we have had plenty of opportunity to see that. Doflamingo's strings did get negative when Luffy used haki. It seems to be just a special case with logias becoming tangible. Haki doesn't negate df powers, it just allows the user to reach the users real body

Well, I hope we see her fight someone strong so we know how someone around her level or higher deals with her DF. The only thing I can think of is dodging everything + emission haki to avoid direct contact.

 

[albertwv]

Forgive me all, I confused Hancock's CoC with Luffy. In the scene where Luffy first releases his CoC infront of Amazon lily and they comment on how he has it but does not fully control it. I thought they were talking about how even Hancock has and it she doesnt fully control. I apologize.
Either way I do not rank her that high, especially not above Doffy.

Weevil, I do not dare rank just yet. What has he done besides take down 600 AO Pirates and other NW pirates from WBs crew. That doesnt seem special unless Weevil fought one of the top YCs of WBP, but he hasnt. Kizaru mentioned he reminds me him of a younger WB, but lets say had Weevil not claimed any family ties to WB, would Kizaru still compare him to WB? I doubt it.
I would rank Weevil around Doffy or even lower. But lets all wait to actually see how strong he really is.
It bugs me when people rank him so high up without any real proof.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Forgive me all, I confused Hancock's CoC with Luffy. In the scene where Luffy first releases his CoC infront of Amazon lily and they comment on how he has it but does not fully control it. I thought they were talking about how even Hancock has and it she doesnt fully control. I apologize.
Either way I do not rank her that high, especially not above Doffy.

Weevil, I do not dare rank just yet. What has he done besides take down 600 AO Pirates and other NW pirates from WBs crew. That doesnt seem special unless Weevil fought one of the top YCs of WBP, but he hasnt. Kizaru mentioned he reminds me him of a younger WB, but lets say had Weevil not claimed any family ties to WB, would Kizaru still compare him to WB? I doubt it.
I would rank Weevil around Doffy or even lower. But lets all wait to actually see how strong he really is.
It bugs me when people rank him so high up without any real proof.

I hate to do this but again your info is off base. Chapter 802 if no one believe me. Weevil has been taking out Former Whitebeard CAPTAINS not 600 of the AO Pirates.

Weevil have been taking out New World Captains under Whitebeard. Which is no small feat. Even Kizaru acknowledges this as a massive asset to the Marines.

 

[M3J]

Do you remember the chapter number? I would like to re-read it before commenting further.

I do not, but you can go on One PIece wiki and look it up.

I think Smoker said that because she was able to stop him even tho he's smoke.
I also think outsiders call it "Kuja Haki" just like Wano call it "Ryuo"

why would they when it's CoA? I highly doubt Smoker wasn't aware of CoA, and Kuja haki doesn't seem any different from regular haki.

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I'm weary of him. He must be really strong to chase after marine crews affiliated to his so-called father, but any high ranked YC could do that. Many of the captains that helped Whitebeard, like Squard, would be fodder in front of Cracker, or Doflamingo or Kuma, so it's not really much of a feat by the current standards.

Kizaru did praise Weevil as seemingly being "as strong as his father", but is he really? He doesn't have his OP gura gura no mi, and he seems to be rather unintelligent, unlike Whitebeard. For now, I see Weevil is crazy strong as an overpowered brute but until I see some solid feats from him I believe anyone that has some skill on top of their own strength can take him out one-sidedly. If the manga proves me wrong and he's also crazy skilled I will skyrocket him up the ranking.

For now, I think Hancock with her martial arts and DF can take Weevil out.

I don't think he said Weevil was as strong as Whitebeard, but that he was close in strength to prime/young Whitebeard, which could have been before he got gura gura no mi. I don't see how the fruit would come into play here when Kizaru (I thought it was Sengoku?) compared Weevil to Whitebeard.

 

[AmitDS]

To be fair, Zoro said "is known" rather than "is." It's not really an official title, and I"m sure if he planned on fighting Big Mom, he'd say the same about her, or about any Emperor.

And Whitebeard called the strongest man after Roger died, if I recall correctly. Titles however should be seen as a hype tool, not always a literal title. Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman, but how do we know he took on every swordsman and beat them? What if he didn't fight someone superior because that swordsman didn't care to fight anyone unless needed? Or because he was on Wano and isolated?

I mean, Kaidou has been hyped, but he hasn't beaten Big Mom or any other Emperor, it's still a stalemate. Whitebeard has an excuse, his goal isn't to become the Pirate King or dominate anything. Big Mom hasn't had that hype either, and we know Shanks is a pacifist. Plus, given the hype that Luffy's gotten as Fifth Emperor, it seems titles are quite meaningless.

I posted that before I read the chapter. I was going off spoilers. Either way I agree that this was hype for him since he's THE villain of the arc and it likely links back to him being immortal or whatever.

WB was called strongest before the great age of pirates (Roger's death) acc. to the vivre card databook.

Spoiler

 

[M3J]

I posted that before I read the chapter. I was going off spoilers. Either way I agree that this was hype for him since he's THE villain of the arc and it likely links back to him being immortal or whatever.

WB was called strongest before the great age of pirates (Roger's death) acc. to the vivre card databook.

Spoiler

it also says it doesn't necessarily mean power level, as he had the ability to destroy the world, which I assume was gura gura no mi.

 

[Fox666]

WB was called strongest before the great age of pirates (Roger's death) acc. to the vivre card databook.

The Vivre Card is not always accurate.

For example, it stated that Shanks was already an Emperor in the first chapter, but it was later revealed in the manga that he only became an Emperor 6 years ago.

If I understand it, Buggy implied Whitebeard was called "the strongest man in the world" because he was equal to Roger.

 

[I Am Atomic]

In terms of powerscaling... yes.

But in terms of all else? Let's just put it like this...

For the lost... Hancock is the Way
For the hungry... Hancock is sustenance
For the blind... Hancock is sight
For the enslaved... Hancock is freedom
For liars... Hancock is the truth
For the poor... Hancock is value

Of all the fans of Hancock-sama... I am #1. If the world is against Hancock then I put myself AGAINST THE ENTIRE WORLD.

And why is this? Whether she strangle a kitten, or robs from the poor she is #1

BECAUSE....

She is beautiful... and she will be forgiven!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 28, 2020, Original Post Date: Nov 28, 2020 ---

Against Mihawk's Black blade, she will turn it to stone and break it....

Against Whitebeard's quakes she will freeze them in place

Against Kaido she while gain a stone dragon statue to place in her throne room and use as a new throne.

Against Shanks she will turn him into a quadruple amputee

Against Big Mom she would drown her in her beauty

Against Roger she would have ensured he never became Pirate King

AGAINST ROCKS SHE WOULD RETURN HIM TO HIS NAMESAKE... SHE WOULD TURN HIM INTO... ROCKS!!!! A stupid pile of rocks....

HANCOCK-SAMA! HANCOCK-SAMA


BANZAI HANCOCK-SAMA!!!!

Your gf is lucky if u see Hancock in her

 

[Nie Li]

I do not, but you can go on One PIece wiki and look it up.

No need, one post below that one Pirate Queen told me the number and I answered.

It's definitely CoA.

I don't think he said Weevil was as strong as Whitebeard, but that he was close in strength to prime/young Whitebeard, which could have been before he got gura gura no mi. I don't see how the fruit would come into play here when Kizaru (I thought it was Sengoku?) compared Weevil to Whitebeard.

In that post I had been asked to rank Weevil in a power scale, after he was suggested to be very, very, strong. My point was that the only thing he may have at "young WBs level" is his brute strength, so of course I mentioned him not having the gura as one of the things that make him weaker to his father, but as I also said, I consider him being just a dumb brute a bigger flaw than his lack of DF.

 

[LadyVados]

IMO Doffy- YC2 level

Boa- YC1+ level

But I could see the donQuixote pirates overall being stronger than the kuja pirates overall, especially because of Sugar.

I think Boa’s bounty is close to BB’s.

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Not when Other top tiers are also swordsman. So it’s a title of skill not power.

There’s too much semantics around the definition of a Swordsman. Between Swordsman who use swords & brawl (Roger, WB, Admirals). Swordsman with martial arts to compliment their Swordmanship (Kaku, any swordsmen who alternates H2H martial to compliment their sword style/also semantical to above definition) Then their are the tried and true Swordman....Zoro, Mihawk, Vista, Brook, Etc etc.

If you look on the Wiki for Swordsman on One Piece. It’s define as those trained in the art of the sword. & doesn’t list everybody that uses a sword. Until Oda or someone else articulates the mynute difference of a Swordsman and someone who just happens to use a sword I’ll refrain any further from debating this.




I love Doffy as a character. His Bird Cage however is a Plot Device ability. Big enough to cover a island, blocks responder snails, invulnerable, takes a Hr to close, only way to stop it is to K.O the user.......very plot deviceish

That aside Doffy was a Light Heavy Weight. As for the many reason listed above. I believe Weevil is possibly stronger than He was. & Boa herself has a haxx DF ability.

But in terms of influence, underground and political power. Doffy was pretty strong.

Roger being a brawler is a headcanon, he has used a sword to fight in 100% of his appearances. Zoro has more brawling feats than Roger.

Yes there is. Zoro is a SH. Its only reason why Mihawk needs to be as strong as he is. Without Zoro, Mihawk fades into obscurity (And he actually already is). He adds no value to One Piece other than being a goal post.

Mihawk = All Blue = Being a Brave Warrior of the Sea = Making a map of the world = Returning to Laboon= Discovering the True history of the world.

He's just a goal post. The only thing that truly matter in OP is Pirate King, with Mihawk himself acknowledging it being a greater goal than even being WSS.

Whitebeard(WSM) was important because he blocked the way for others to be PK until Ace was ready.

Kaido(WSC) was important because he is on the verge of conquering the World and claiming OP for himself. Currently the biggest threat to Luffy.

Mihawk is... fighting off a Buster Call? There is no comparison.

What you’re basically saying is that none of the other straw hats apart from Luffy matter....

That’s just... I am speechless. What a bad, bad, horrible take. The straw hats are main characters too, we have followed them for 20+ years, they are not just Luffy’s sidekicks ! They will achieve their dreams ! Nami will map the world ! Chopper will become the best doctor in the world ! Sanji will find all blue ! Brook will meet Laboon, Robin will discover the meaning of D, Franky will build the ship that reaches Laugh Tale, Usopp will become a brave warrior of the sea, Jinbei will promote fish man- human unity and yes... Zoro will become WSS !!!

If these things don’t happen then critics and fans alike will denounce One Piece and send millions of letters of hate mail to Oda. The fact you even think something like that is honestly shameful !!! Heck even Luffy flat out said that he couldn’t be Pirate King without the WSS in his crew, if Zoro doesn’t become WSS, Luffy doesn’t become Pirate King. If you switched Zoro and Luffy in Enies Lobby, Luffy would have gladly sacrificed himself and put Zoro’s dream above his own, as he would do for Usopp, as he would do for Nami, as he would do for Sanji. Heck he flat out did it for Sanji, he was willing to die for Sanji in WCI. Luffy would gladly give his life for any of the SH to achieve their dreams.

This is doubly true for Zoro and Nami since they form the Freudian trio/power trio of One Piece along with Luffy.

 

[Pirate Queen]

What you’re basically saying is that none of the other straw hats apart from Luffy matter....

That’s just... I am speechless. What a bad, bad, horrible take. The straw hats are main characters too, we have followed them for 20+ years, they are not just Luffy’s sidekicks ! They will achieve their dreams ! Nami will map the world ! Chopper will become the best doctor in the world ! Sanji will find all blue ! Brook will meet Laboon, Robin will discover the meaning of D, Franky will build the ship that reaches Laugh Tale, Usopp will become a brave warrior of the sea, Jinbei will promote fish man- human unity and yes... Zoro will become WSS !!!

If these things don’t happen then critics and fans alike will denounce One Piece and send millions of letters of hate mail to Oda. The fact you even think something like that is honestly shameful !!! Heck even Luffy flat out said that he couldn’t be Pirate King without the WSS in his crew, if Zoro doesn’t become WSS, Luffy doesn’t become Pirate King. If you switched Zoro and Luffy in Enies Lobby, Luffy would have gladly sacrificed himself and put Zoro’s dream above his own, as he would do for Usopp, as he would do for Nami, as he would do for Sanji. Heck he flat out did it for Sanji, he was willing to die for Sanji in WCI. Luffy would gladly give his life for any of the SH to achieve their dreams.

This is doubly true for Zoro and Nami since they form the Freudian trio/power trio of One Piece along with Luffy.

I'm surprised you don't realize this is Luffy's story.

Each Strawhat at different points have shouted that their goal is to make Luffy PK.

No one else has talk about helping the other Strawhats achieve their dreams.

Ussop does scream, "Zoro will be the WSS!"

Chopper doesn't shout out, " Nami WILL make a map of the entire world!"

But everyone has declared with CONVICTION that Luffy will be the PK

ONE PIECE revolves around Luffy achieving his dream. That is #1, everyone else's dreams are secondary. Luffy is the MC. Everyone else are Secondary characters.

Luffy has never said he would sacrifice himself for anothers dreams. He HAS said he would die for his nakama, not their dreams... 2 totally different things.

Even concerning Zoro, he has willingly put hus dreams on the line for Luffy's sake.

I for one am stunned you haven't realized this. We are almost 1000 chapter in and you realize this basic truth?

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IMO Doffy- YC2 level

Boa- YC1+ level

It seems your not completely lost. I commend such take on the Goddess.

 

[LadyVados]

He HAS said he would die for his nakama, not their dreams... 2 totally different things.

They’re the same thing in the world of One Piece

Even concerning Zoro, he has willingly put hus dreams on the line for Luffy's sake.

Which you seem to agree with ?

Luffy dying for his Nakama means he is putting aside his dream just like Zoro did at Enies Lobby.

The name of the manga is One Piece not Luffy. It’s a story of the world of one piece, it’s history, etc. not just Luffy. And of all the Straw Hats !

Luffy isn’t the straw hat’s boss, he’s their friend. They’re like a team of which he’s the captain. It’s a crew based on mutual respect and friendship !

Every single straw hat will achieve their dreams. Mark my words.

Apart from Luffy, Zoro is hands down the most important character in the series, with only Nami and maybe BB coming close.

Heck, this panel is proof Zoro and Nami’s dreams will come true.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Every single straw hat will achieve their dreams. Mark my words.

You are arguing something that has nothing to do with the discussion. I never said they wouldn't achieve their dreams! I said Luffy is the most important and most integral to the story. Can you not follow a simple discussion?

Where did I say the SH's wouldn't achieve their dreams?

You edit just made it worse....

 

[LadyVados]

You are arguing something that has nothing to do with the discussion. I never said they wouldn't achieve their dreams! I said Luffy is the most important and most integral to the story. Can you not follow a simple discussion?

Where did I say the SH's wouldn't achieve their dreams?

You edit just made it worse....

Well if Mihawk isn’t WSS then Zoro isn’t achieving his dream.

 

[XXGenesis]

@LordWhis Rayleigh is listed as the Swordman for the Roger pirates. Not Roger. He’s a brawler for sure

 

[Pirate Queen]

Well if Mihawk isn’t WSS then Zoro isn’t achieving his dream.

Wtf does that have to do with anything? Your just making random points.

No one is saying Mihawk isn't the WSS

 

[AmitDS]

it also says it doesn't necessarily mean power level, as he had the ability to destroy the world, which I assume was gura gura no mi.

And Kaido's called the strongest and his immortality is also an ability he has that's special while he's shown to be on par with other emperors in combat. That's my point. With these titles there are many factors and ways in which Oda plays with it. We have the strongest pirate having a hax ability but also equaling the pirate king. We have the strongest creature being seemingly immortal but drawing with Big Mom and probably Shanks, already.

This is why the whole Mihawk is stronger than anyone who uses a sword or Kaido is the strongest emperor and would beat the others, imo, aren't actually confirmed as people say.

The Vivre Card is not always accurate.

For example, it stated that Shanks was already an Emperor in the first chapter, but it was later revealed in the manga that he only became an Emperor 6 years ago.

If I understand it, Buggy implied Whitebeard was called "the strongest man in the world" because he was equal to Roger.

Well when something comes up to debunk the vivre card calling WB the strongest since Roger's time I'll accept it. And as I understand it, it's not actually clear either way that he's the strongest for 1 reason since he was both Roger's equal AND someone with the DF ability that gave him tremendous destructive potential. If he lost to Roger in a fight in their prime but had his same DF abilities would he still be called the strongest pirate/man? Based on the vivre card, I'd say no?

So like Kaido he can be called the strongest because of a great ability even though he is equal in combat to other people as was the case of Roger and Garp with WB and now Kaido and Big Mom.

 

[LadyVados]

@LordWhis Rayleigh is listed as the Swordman for the Roger pirates. Not Roger. He’s a brawler for sure

Headcanon

Wtf does that have to do with anything? Your just making random points.

No one is saying Mihawk isn't the WSS

So you agree Mihawk > Shanks and BM ? Good to know