This establishment doesn't take pre's haki feats, sir... especially when trying to rectify them with current events.
How logias interact with haki has been poorly explored after the retcon. Until we see them properly fight under the new system- they fell off hard.
That’s head canon and not a retcon , all that wasn’t available was hardening , they did this in marineford , Oda started leaning hard into haki and developing it fast from marineford, to be a vice admiral just at the very base you have to learn how to use haki , the admirals have mastered it
Suddenly dismissing it when Rayleigh performed the same feat a few chapters later to teach luffy what advanced application of haki was ?
Missed every point entirely
If WG had at least (admirals and fleet admiral) 4 Yonko level fighters, there would be no Yonko system whatsoever, it wouldn't be born to begin with, there would be no need for it.
With so much power WG would be able to control the seas without the need of an Yonko system.
Yonko's are kind of an controlled opposition against pirates themselves, but also they exist due to WG weighting their options amd choosing not to fight any of them unless certain conflicts do happen - God Valley and Marienford, as an example.
As for the Marineford as an power example, it's an poor one, as no one dominated each other- we did not see anyone go full out, the Pirates due to now wanting to hurt their allies and sink the island, and even more so to the regards to the island from the WG side, BUT if WG had that much fire power, as I've said, Marineford wouldn't have happened, Yonko's system wouldn't exist in the first place
OP would be full on authoritarian without pirates to begin with
No you’re missing my point , just because you can defeat someone doesn’t mean it’s worth it
Do you know what a pyhrric victory is , ? Yes you win the war but the world is so devastated and set back that is it worth it ? The WG is fine with the stalemate , they maintain and protect their allied countries from the most oart
They have day to day responsibilities and duties it’s more than just again fighting the yonkou , they’re stationed all over the world , taking it oart in 4 costly skirmishes where they don’t know the outcome is risky and stupid and would leave their own countries suspectible to revolutionaries and other pirates
It’s simply not just a> b so a has to go after b
I agree with you. If anything Yonko would still exist but not the Warlords. The warlords were created to help the Navy fight off the crew (YCs) of the Yonko. The 7 warlords in no way match up to a single Yonko Crew much less all 4 Yonko. We were taught to believe that the 3 Great Powers of the Worlds were equal/balanced and by losing 1 Warlord the balance would tip over. But as we saw in MF and in the New World, the Warlords were not equal to the Navy or Yonko, if anything they were useless.
Yet the Navy called in 100k elite marines, 3 admirals, all vice admirals, Garp and Sengoku, PXs, a sneaky plan, (squardo), and the warlords, in order to fight a single Yonko crew. Yeah of course the WB pirates were decimated but think about the opposing line up, Marco and the rest had no chance without WB.
But if Admirals = Yonko, then the Marines would just call in 2 admirals and a buster call size force to fight WBP, but they didnt.
The YC1s we can actually rate are Marco, Kata, and King, not Shiryu or Beckman. and now Yamato if we consider her YC1 or YC1+.
Kaidos power has shown to be weaking, which is understandable since hes been fighting YC3s+ almost non stop.
9RS which are VA - YC2/3 level, 5 SNs which are YC3-YC1+ level, Yamato YC1+. Thats one hellavu line up He's been taking damage head on and not actively evading.
What i am getting at is... Luffy is not Yonko level or equal to Kaido, Luffy is able to match Kaido right now because Kaido has been weakened.
Didn’t we see that the navy and the shichibukai go after a ton of other pirates and maintain security , the WG is bigger than the yonkou and existed before them and had responsibilities and jobs before them
I also agree that Admiral isn't equal to a Yonko. We just learned that you need advanced CoC to be at the top. We haven't seen any OG admirals use it. So no idea how they will even win.
I do disagree with the Warlord system not able to match a Yonko crew.
Mihawk = Yonko
Weevil, Hancock, Law and Joker - YC
The rest = officers
Then there is their respective crews as well. If all banded together, they definitely can match a Yonko crew for a while. But will still get defeated.
I'd say, Yonkou are stronger than Admirals to a degree. The Shichikubai are more than likely in the same boat as the Admirals to, but lower imo and some of the examples being used from Marineford and other arcs clarify that a battle between these level-powered individuals isn't one sided for a guaranteed victory.
1. It took all 3 Admirals to deflect Whitebeard's attack, that he made by himself. Plus, Shanks manage to stop Akainu from killing Coby.
2. Doflamingo was even fearful of a battle with Kaido and preferred to sell him Smile fruits rather than be his enemy.
3. No Yonkou or Admiral or Shichikubai has yet, to challenge Big Mom and maybe that says a lot more about how truly powerful she is amongst the current 3 others. There's been more challenge made towards Big Mom by Kidd, Urouge or Luffy (before his promotion to 5th emperor) and there are still upcoming pirates compared to already established elites.
4. Blackbeard is another example, similar to Luffy, the two made the right moves to become threats to the World Government and competition to other pirates.
5. I think, Admirals by themselves or combined all together are more of a threat to common pirates versus Yonkou. You literally need an army to bring one Yonkou in, which explains there high bounties alone.
6. The World Government had Vegapunk create a program called S.S.G., which is to be the ultimate military force used against all Yonkou, Shichikubai and pirates in general all together.
So, in terms of power or strength, this is why a great war is coming amongst the most powerful in the seas. If Luffy defeats Kaido, he'll replace him and I think it's the same for Blackbeard, who could possibly win against Shanks. In the end, it seems to be a remaining balance of power in the New World.
1. Taking all 3 admirals to reflect a quake attack
However during marineford akainu ( the man with the highest offensive fruit ) in one piece blocked and countered WB quake powered attacks by himself twice very easily
kizaru literally and causally pinned WB Biden to with one foot
and looks away , and still injured whitebeard and comes from their clash very unscathed hole injuring whitebeard
when they allied up kizaru was ready to lead a force to take on big mum and kaido but again
akainu rebuffed cause they didn’t know the fighting capability of the samurais yet they needed gathering intelligence on them , kizaru not fazed , akainu worry isn’t even them either it’s lack of knowledge
the biggest issue with the shichibukai system is that it’s sucks ass the pirates were constantly undermining the WG that was why Fujitora came to do , end a bad system
the world of one piece is much bigger than the NEW WORLD the WG isn’t only worried about that territory where the yonkou control a lot of of even tho they have a lot of territory and bases there