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Yeah but you didn't read what I wrote.

Marco can put a decent fight with anyone. Literally anyone. Others can't do that.
Kaido can blitz Katakuri and one shot him. Kaido can blitz Marco and cut him in half, but he will regenerate back. That's the difference.
FS cannot be used when flustered.
Luffy was mad, went on a barrage and suffered the 1 hit K.O

After he was able to barely dodge because a Kaido is just that fast.

Katakuri FS is better IMO I think he’ll manage the dodge like Luffy did.

1 hit K.O by a Yonkou is very possible. & a Struggle before defeat is also very possible against YC1/YC2

Still don’t like How Ulti got back up from Big MoM’s attack
 
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Luffy already dodged Lasers quite easily, he hasnt even had FS at that time. That wouldnt exactly get Luffy.

Luffy hasn't shown the speed to escape kizaru's blast aoe. Even if he could, kizaru follows up with another one.:kizaru
 

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My bad, i mistook you for a heathen.:hi




Tbh i think pre admirals fall off HARD with the introduction of haki.

Current Luffy takes all of them (pre) except maybe kizaru- if he keeps his distance and spams lasers.
they are all advanced haki users , as well as incredible df users, they held back aot during marineford

they can use high level advanced armament haki techniques such as reflecting attacks back, with something as powerful as a quake attack



they can also nullify haki attacks by either using their own haki or shifting around the area of attack
 

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they are all advanced haki users , as well as incredible df users, they held back aot during marineford

they can use high level advanced armament haki techniques such as reflecting attacks back, with something as powerful as a quake attack



they can also nullify haki attacks by either using their own haki or shifting around the area of attack
Akainu just didn’t take any real damage

Akoji used CoO
 

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Katakuri FS is better IMO I think he’ll manage the dodge like Luffy did.
That's you assuming Kaido is blitzing in his base form and not hybrid. And also ignoring Luffy's growth (his base strength and speed has increased from prison training). The only reason why Kata's FS looked better than it is, is because of his synergy with his fruit.

Katakuri was just an example anyway.

1 hit K.O by a Yonkou is very possible.
Not Marco! Even Roger could be OHKO'd by someone who struck his heart using a sneak attack (no sea stone), but Marco will live. That's the nature of his fruit and my point. Katakuri has nothing to do with my discussion.
 

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they are all advanced haki users...
This establishment doesn't take pre's haki feats, sir... especially when trying to rectify them with current events.

How logias interact with haki has been poorly explored after the retcon. Until we see them properly fight under the new system- they fell off hard.
 

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That's you assuming Kaido is blitzing in his base form and not hybrid. And also ignoring Luffy's growth (his base strength and speed has increased from prison training). The only reason why Kata's FS looked better than it is, is because of his synergy with his fruit.

Katakuri was just an example anyway.



Not Marco! Even Roger could be OHKO'd by someone who struck his heart using a sneak attack (no sea stone), but Marco will live. That's the nature of his fruit and my point. Katakuri has nothing to do with my discussion.
Which is it.
Katakuri is an example or he has nothing to do with your discussion.

Ya so confused, ya confuse me.
 

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Which is it.
Katakuri is an example or he has nothing to do with your discussion.

Ya so confused, ya confuse me.
Discussion was about Marco
 

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I fail to see how it was confirmed that Kaidp is getting weaker, it was an speculation, not an fact.
When regarding Yonko and Admirals, as we've seen how Kaido blitzed Luffy, and even after the training, he got low diffed, IF WG at Marineford had, what, 5 characters of an Yonko calliber, 1 of them being sorta passive in Marineford (Garp), it would have been absolute one sided massacre, WB wouldn't have been able to dock his ships, anyone below YC1 would have been curbstomped without effort, the same would go for Marco, they would have found a way to put seastone on and just low diffed him, or just force through his DF like Garp did.
Casing point is, that it is blatantly obvious that Yonko are above Admirals, as if WG always had 4+ Yonko level fighters, there would not be any Yonko to begin with, even without them they could control the sea and prohibit everyone from learning the truth, and they'd just obliterate any Yonkou's crew with the Admiral Buster call.

In regards to Admiral Haki knowledge - WG should have all the information about both DF and Haki, and therefore until it is shown, one can not say what they can or can not do. They blatantly should have advanced CoO and CoA, as for CoC in general - who TF knows. Garp should have it, so maybe it is an pre-requisite for FA, if not for an Admiral.
 

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I fail to see how it was confirmed that Kaidp is getting weaker, it was an speculation, not an fact.
When regarding Yonko and Admirals, as we've seen how Kaido blitzed Luffy, and even after the training, he got low diffed, IF WG at Marineford had, what, 5 characters of an Yonko calliber, 1 of them being sorta passive in Marineford (Garp), it would have been absolute one sided massacre, WB wouldn't have been able to dock his ships, anyone below YC1 would have been curbstomped without effort, the same would go for Marco, they would have found a way to put seastone on and just low diffed him, or just force through his DF like Garp did.
Casing point is, that it is blatantly obvious that Yonko are above Admirals, as if WG always had 4+ Yonko level fighters, there would not be any Yonko to begin with, even without them they could control the sea and prohibit everyone from learning the truth, and they'd just obliterate any Yonkou's crew with the Admiral Buster call.

In regards to Admiral Haki knowledge - WG should have all the information about both DF and Haki, and therefore until it is shown, one can not say what they can or can not do. They blatantly should have advanced CoO and CoA, as for CoC in general - who TF knows. Garp should have it, so maybe it is an pre-requisite for FA, if not for an Admiral.
Do you understand foreshadowing and narrative building , kaido’s powers are weakening it’s why the speculation was dropped , Yamato probably understands his powers the best

Again one piece is more than just straight up power levels , fights between top tiers are catastrophic
And again marineford was actually very very one sided , the whitebeard pirates( and they had gotten back up by the impel down escapees ) were getting annihilated while just garp and Sengoku contained the Blackbeard pirates after sitting out majority of the war , if those 2 actually actively went at the whitebeard pirates it would have been over
The 4 yonkou and marine forces are in a stalemate , the admirals are stationed in marejois and are pretty much the guards of the celestial dragons
The navy aren’t focused solely on the yonkou they guard and gatekeep the countries under the world government and secure entire regions
 

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if luffy wins in a 1v1 now it will not means that he could only do that because kaido is weakened, because luffy its weak too, kaido is a zoan, he has alot more endurance than luffy, luffy got blitz 2 times in this fight, yamato said "even though he can barely stand", so both of them are weak now...
 

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Do you understand foreshadowing and narrative building , kaido’s powers are weakening it’s why the speculation was dropped , Yamato probably understands his powers the best

Again one piece is more than just straight up power levels , fights between top tiers are catastrophic
And again marineford was actually very very one sided , the whitebeard pirates( and they had gotten back up by the impel down escapees ) were getting annihilated while just garp and Sengoku contained the Blackbeard pirates after sitting out majority of the war , if those 2 actually actively went at the whitebeard pirates it would have been over
The 4 yonkou and marine forces are in a stalemate , the admirals are stationed in marejois and are pretty much the guards of the celestial dragons
The navy aren’t focused solely on the yonkou they guard and gatekeep the countries under the world government and secure entire regions
Missed every point entirely

If WG had at least (admirals and fleet admiral) 4 Yonko level fighters, there would be no Yonko system whatsoever, it wouldn't be born to begin with, there would be no need for it.
With so much power WG would be able to control the seas without the need of an Yonko system.
Yonko's are kind of an controlled opposition against pirates themselves, but also they exist due to WG weighting their options amd choosing not to fight any of them unless certain conflicts do happen - God Valley and Marienford, as an example.

As for the Marineford as an power example, it's an poor one, as no one dominated each other- we did not see anyone go full out, the Pirates due to now wanting to hurt their allies and sink the island, and even more so to the regards to the island from the WG side, BUT if WG had that much fire power, as I've said, Marineford wouldn't have happened, Yonko's system wouldn't exist in the first place

OP would be full on authoritarian without pirates to begin with
 

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Missed every point entirely

If WG had at least (admirals and fleet admiral) 4 Yonko level fighters, there would be no Yonko system whatsoever, it wouldn't be born to begin with, there would be no need for it.
With so much power WG would be able to control the seas without the need of an Yonko system.
Yonko's are kind of an controlled opposition against pirates themselves, but also they exist due to WG weighting their options amd choosing not to fight any of them unless certain conflicts do happen - God Valley and Marienford, as an example.

As for the Marineford as an power example, it's an poor one, as no one dominated each other- we did not see anyone go full out, the Pirates due to now wanting to hurt their allies and sink the island, and even more so to the regards to the island from the WG side, BUT if WG had that much fire power, as I've said, Marineford wouldn't have happened, Yonko's system wouldn't exist in the first place

OP would be full on authoritarian without pirates to begin with
I agree with you. If anything Yonko would still exist but not the Warlords. The warlords were created to help the Navy fight off the crew (YCs) of the Yonko. The 7 warlords in no way match up to a single Yonko Crew much less all 4 Yonko. We were taught to believe that the 3 Great Powers of the Worlds were equal/balanced and by losing 1 Warlord the balance would tip over. But as we saw in MF and in the New World, the Warlords were not equal to the Navy or Yonko, if anything they were useless.
Yet the Navy called in 100k elite marines, 3 admirals, all vice admirals, Garp and Sengoku, PXs, a sneaky plan, (squardo), and the warlords, in order to fight a single Yonko crew. Yeah of course the WB pirates were decimated but think about the opposing line up, Marco and the rest had no chance without WB.
But if Admirals = Yonko, then the Marines would just call in 2 admirals and a buster call size force to fight WBP, but they didnt.

The YC1s we can actually rate are Marco, Kata, and King, not Shiryu or Beckman. and now Yamato if we consider her YC1 or YC1+.
Kaidos power has shown to be weaking, which is understandable since hes been fighting YC3s+ almost non stop.
9RS which are VA - YC2/3 level, 5 SNs which are YC3-YC1+ level, Yamato YC1+. Thats one hellavu line up He's been taking damage head on and not actively evading.
What i am getting at is... Luffy is not Yonko level or equal to Kaido, Luffy is able to match Kaido right now because Kaido has been weakened.
 

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I also agree that Admiral isn't equal to a Yonko. We just learned that you need advanced CoC to be at the top. We haven't seen any OG admirals use it. So no idea how they will even win.

I do disagree with the Warlord system not able to match a Yonko crew.
Mihawk = Yonko
Weevil, Hancock, Law and Joker - YC
The rest = officers

Then there is their respective crews as well. If all banded together, they definitely can match a Yonko crew for a while. But will still get defeated.
 

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I'd say, Yonkou are stronger than Admirals to a degree. The Shichikubai are more than likely in the same boat as the Admirals to, but lower imo and some of the examples being used from Marineford and other arcs clarify that a battle between these level-powered individuals isn't one sided for a guaranteed victory.

1. It took all 3 Admirals to deflect Whitebeard's attack, that he made by himself. Plus, Shanks manage to stop Akainu from killing Coby.
2. Doflamingo was even fearful of a battle with Kaido and preferred to sell him Smile fruits rather than be his enemy.
3. No Yonkou or Admiral or Shichikubai has yet, to challenge Big Mom and maybe that says a lot more about how truly powerful she is amongst the current 3 others. There's been more challenge made towards Big Mom by Kidd, Urouge or Luffy (before his promotion to 5th emperor) and there are still upcoming pirates compared to already established elites.
4. Blackbeard is another example, similar to Luffy, the two made the right moves to become threats to the World Government and competition to other pirates.
5. I think, Admirals by themselves or combined all together are more of a threat to common pirates versus Yonkou. You literally need an army to bring one Yonkou in, which explains there high bounties alone.
6. The World Government had Vegapunk create a program called S.S.G., which is to be the ultimate military force used against all Yonkou, Shichikubai and pirates in general all together.

So, in terms of power or strength, this is why a great war is coming amongst the most powerful in the seas. If Luffy defeats Kaido, he'll replace him and I think it's the same for Blackbeard, who could possibly win against Shanks. In the end, it seems to be a remaining balance of power in the New World.
 

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I'd say, Yonkou are stronger than Admirals to a degree. The Shichikubai are more than likely in the same boat as the Admirals to, but lower imo and some of the examples being used from Marineford and other arcs clarify that a battle between these level-powered individuals isn't one sided for a guaranteed victory.

1. It took all 3 Admirals to deflect Whitebeard's attack, that he made by himself. Plus, Shanks manage to stop Akainu from killing Coby.
2. Doflamingo was even fearful of a battle with Kaido and preferred to sell him Smile fruits rather than be his enemy.
3. No Yonkou or Admiral or Shichikubai has yet, to challenge Big Mom and maybe that says a lot more about how truly powerful she is amongst the current 3 others. There's been more challenge made towards Big Mom by Kidd, Urouge or Luffy (before his promotion to 5th emperor) and there are still upcoming pirates compared to already established elites.
4. Blackbeard is another example, similar to Luffy, the two made the right moves to become threats to the World Government and competition to other pirates.
5. I think, Admirals by themselves or combined all together are more of a threat to common pirates versus Yonkou. You literally need an army to bring one Yonkou in, which explains there high bounties alone.
6. The World Government had Vegapunk create a program called S.S.G., which is to be the ultimate military force used against all Yonkou, Shichikubai and pirates in general all together.

So, in terms of power or strength, this is why a great war is coming amongst the most powerful in the seas. If Luffy defeats Kaido, he'll replace him and I think it's the same for Blackbeard, who could possibly win against Shanks. In the end, it seems to be a remaining balance of power in the New World.
When it comes to Yonko vs Yonko, and even for the sake of WG, it's that the weight on their shoulders and being so absurdly strong, every Y vs Y fight would be high fucking diff, and if one party loses, other party gets swooped in either by WG or other forces, and to be frank it's more so that both parties would face such casualties that both crews would get decimated afterwards.

Everyone at the top seem to be vary of each other and they eat from the same table, both the Yonkous and the WG, and if one party decides to eat from another plate, the other parties will take advantage of that.
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I also agree that Admiral isn't equal to a Yonko. We just learned that you need advanced CoC to be at the top. We haven't seen any OG admirals use it. So no idea how they will even win.

I do disagree with the Warlord system not able to match a Yonko crew.
Mihawk = Yonko
Weevil, Hancock, Law and Joker - YC
The rest = officers

Then there is their respective crews as well. If all banded together, they definitely can match a Yonko crew for a while. But will still get defeated.
Well when you put it that way, the Schicibukai system as an crew, yeah, it looks like an Yonko worthy crew power-wise

I agree with you. If anything Yonko would still exist but not the Warlords. The warlords were created to help the Navy fight off the crew (YCs) of the Yonko. The 7 warlords in no way match up to a single Yonko Crew much less all 4 Yonko. We were taught to believe that the 3 Great Powers of the Worlds were equal/balanced and by losing 1 Warlord the balance would tip over. But as we saw in MF and in the New World, the Warlords were not equal to the Navy or Yonko, if anything they were useless.
Yet the Navy called in 100k elite marines, 3 admirals, all vice admirals, Garp and Sengoku, PXs, a sneaky plan, (squardo), and the warlords, in order to fight a single Yonko crew. Yeah of course the WB pirates were decimated but think about the opposing line up, Marco and the rest had no chance without WB.
But if Admirals = Yonko, then the Marines would just call in 2 admirals and a buster call size force to fight WBP, but they didnt.

The YC1s we can actually rate are Marco, Kata, and King, not Shiryu or Beckman. and now Yamato if we consider her YC1 or YC1+.
Kaidos power has shown to be weaking, which is understandable since hes been fighting YC3s+ almost non stop.
9RS which are VA - YC2/3 level, 5 SNs which are YC3-YC1+ level, Yamato YC1+. Thats one hellavu line up He's been taking damage head on and not actively evading.
What i am getting at is... Luffy is not Yonko level or equal to Kaido, Luffy is able to match Kaido right now because Kaido has been weakened.
I still believe that we haven't seen what an actual veteran Yonko can do and that Kaido still has to show what his true, maximum power is, and it will be biblical, I mean Luffy punched an portion of Dressrosa outwards.
Tbh I see the absolute power output of an Yonko to be single swing island breaking, and as an example Kaido may split Wano even more so.
As an example, I do not think that WB and Rogers clash was as serious as it seemed, it looked more so than just an handshake from the Predator, flexing on each other.
 

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This establishment doesn't take pre's haki feats, sir... especially when trying to rectify them with current events.

How logias interact with haki has been poorly explored after the retcon. Until we see them properly fight under the new system- they fell off hard.
That’s head canon and not a retcon , all that wasn’t available was hardening , they did this in marineford , Oda started leaning hard into haki and developing it fast from marineford, to be a vice admiral just at the very base you have to learn how to use haki , the admirals have mastered it
Suddenly dismissing it when Rayleigh performed the same feat a few chapters later to teach luffy what advanced application of haki was ?
Missed every point entirely

If WG had at least (admirals and fleet admiral) 4 Yonko level fighters, there would be no Yonko system whatsoever, it wouldn't be born to begin with, there would be no need for it.
With so much power WG would be able to control the seas without the need of an Yonko system.
Yonko's are kind of an controlled opposition against pirates themselves, but also they exist due to WG weighting their options amd choosing not to fight any of them unless certain conflicts do happen - God Valley and Marienford, as an example.

As for the Marineford as an power example, it's an poor one, as no one dominated each other- we did not see anyone go full out, the Pirates due to now wanting to hurt their allies and sink the island, and even more so to the regards to the island from the WG side, BUT if WG had that much fire power, as I've said, Marineford wouldn't have happened, Yonko's system wouldn't exist in the first place

OP would be full on authoritarian without pirates to begin with
No you’re missing my point , just because you can defeat someone doesn’t mean it’s worth it
Do you know what a pyhrric victory is , ? Yes you win the war but the world is so devastated and set back that is it worth it ? The WG is fine with the stalemate , they maintain and protect their allied countries from the most oart
They have day to day responsibilities and duties it’s more than just again fighting the yonkou , they’re stationed all over the world , taking it oart in 4 costly skirmishes where they don’t know the outcome is risky and stupid and would leave their own countries suspectible to revolutionaries and other pirates
It’s simply not just a> b so a has to go after b
I agree with you. If anything Yonko would still exist but not the Warlords. The warlords were created to help the Navy fight off the crew (YCs) of the Yonko. The 7 warlords in no way match up to a single Yonko Crew much less all 4 Yonko. We were taught to believe that the 3 Great Powers of the Worlds were equal/balanced and by losing 1 Warlord the balance would tip over. But as we saw in MF and in the New World, the Warlords were not equal to the Navy or Yonko, if anything they were useless.
Yet the Navy called in 100k elite marines, 3 admirals, all vice admirals, Garp and Sengoku, PXs, a sneaky plan, (squardo), and the warlords, in order to fight a single Yonko crew. Yeah of course the WB pirates were decimated but think about the opposing line up, Marco and the rest had no chance without WB.
But if Admirals = Yonko, then the Marines would just call in 2 admirals and a buster call size force to fight WBP, but they didnt.

The YC1s we can actually rate are Marco, Kata, and King, not Shiryu or Beckman. and now Yamato if we consider her YC1 or YC1+.
Kaidos power has shown to be weaking, which is understandable since hes been fighting YC3s+ almost non stop.
9RS which are VA - YC2/3 level, 5 SNs which are YC3-YC1+ level, Yamato YC1+. Thats one hellavu line up He's been taking damage head on and not actively evading.
What i am getting at is... Luffy is not Yonko level or equal to Kaido, Luffy is able to match Kaido right now because Kaido has been weakened.
Didn’t we see that the navy and the shichibukai go after a ton of other pirates and maintain security , the WG is bigger than the yonkou and existed before them and had responsibilities and jobs before them
I also agree that Admiral isn't equal to a Yonko. We just learned that you need advanced CoC to be at the top. We haven't seen any OG admirals use it. So no idea how they will even win.

I do disagree with the Warlord system not able to match a Yonko crew.
Mihawk = Yonko
Weevil, Hancock, Law and Joker - YC
The rest = officers

Then there is their respective crews as well. If all banded together, they definitely can match a Yonko crew for a while. But will still get defeated.
I'd say, Yonkou are stronger than Admirals to a degree. The Shichikubai are more than likely in the same boat as the Admirals to, but lower imo and some of the examples being used from Marineford and other arcs clarify that a battle between these level-powered individuals isn't one sided for a guaranteed victory.

1. It took all 3 Admirals to deflect Whitebeard's attack, that he made by himself. Plus, Shanks manage to stop Akainu from killing Coby.
2. Doflamingo was even fearful of a battle with Kaido and preferred to sell him Smile fruits rather than be his enemy.
3. No Yonkou or Admiral or Shichikubai has yet, to challenge Big Mom and maybe that says a lot more about how truly powerful she is amongst the current 3 others. There's been more challenge made towards Big Mom by Kidd, Urouge or Luffy (before his promotion to 5th emperor) and there are still upcoming pirates compared to already established elites.
4. Blackbeard is another example, similar to Luffy, the two made the right moves to become threats to the World Government and competition to other pirates.
5. I think, Admirals by themselves or combined all together are more of a threat to common pirates versus Yonkou. You literally need an army to bring one Yonkou in, which explains there high bounties alone.
6. The World Government had Vegapunk create a program called S.S.G., which is to be the ultimate military force used against all Yonkou, Shichikubai and pirates in general all together.

So, in terms of power or strength, this is why a great war is coming amongst the most powerful in the seas. If Luffy defeats Kaido, he'll replace him and I think it's the same for Blackbeard, who could possibly win against Shanks. In the end, it seems to be a remaining balance of power in the New World.
1. Taking all 3 admirals to reflect a quake attack
However during marineford akainu ( the man with the highest offensive fruit ) in one piece blocked and countered WB quake powered attacks by himself twice very easily


kizaru literally and causally pinned WB Biden to with one foot


and looks away , and still injured whitebeard and comes from their clash very unscathed hole injuring whitebeard



when they allied up kizaru was ready to lead a force to take on big mum and kaido but again akainu rebuffed cause they didn’t know the fighting capability of the samurais yet they needed gathering intelligence on them , kizaru not fazed , akainu worry isn’t even them either it’s lack of knowledge


the biggest issue with the shichibukai system is that it’s sucks ass the pirates were constantly undermining the WG that was why Fujitora came to do , end a bad system

the world of one piece is much bigger than the NEW WORLD the WG isn’t only worried about that territory where the yonkou control a lot of of even tho they have a lot of territory and bases there
 
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No you’re missing my point , just because you can defeat someone doesn’t mean it’s worth it
Do you know what a pyhrric victory is , ? Yes you win the war but the world is so devastated and set back that is it worth it ? The WG is fine with the stalemate , they maintain and protect their allied countries from the most oart
They have day to day responsibilities and duties it’s more than just again fighting the yonkou , they’re stationed all over the world , taking it oart in 4 costly skirmishes where they don’t know the outcome is risky and stupid and would leave their own countries suspectible to revolutionaries and other pirates
Obviously, but

When the power difference is so vast, the ever more stronger party/position won't face any devastating effects of the battle, it will be an one sided curbstomp.

At such level, only the Yonko position matters, and simple maths dictate, that if it were to go 1 v 4+ (as that is the minimum of an actual such status marines, but at Marineford arc we had Garp, Kong (who tf knows how strong that guy was then), having probably some other 1 or 2 close marine rank individuals), it would be literally one sided. Not to mention what the actual fuck is going on with CP, Elders, and whatever

And you do not even have to think about it as it is now, because Yonko system would not have been born in the first place.

As I've said, if it was the case, OP world would be absolutely authoritorian, NO pirates would ever he able to reach such level of strenght, if WG had that much power.
 

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1. Taking all 3 admirals to reflect a quake attack
However during marineford akainu ( the man with the highest offensive fruit ) in one piece blocked and countered WB quake powered attacks by himself twice very easily


kizaru literally and causally pinned WB Biden to with one foot


and looks away , and still injured whitebeard and comes from their clash very unscathed hole injuring whitebeard



when they allied up kizaru was ready to lead a force to take on big mum and kaido but again akainu rebuffed cause they didn’t know the fighting capability of the samurais yet they needed gathering intelligence on them , kizaru not fazed , akainu worry isn’t even them either it’s lack of knowledge


the biggest issue with the shichibukai system is that it’s sucks ass the pirates were constantly undermining the WG that was why Fujitora came to do , end a bad system

the world of one piece is much bigger than the NEW WORLD the WG isn’t only worried about that territory where the yonkou control a lot of of even tho they have a lot of territory and bases there
I did mention WB wasn't able to use his advanced CoC because of his health issues. Perfect example is when he wasn't able to use CoC to knock the guards down like Luffy did. Admirals haven't shown advanced CoC, so until then they are below Yonko's.
 

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1. It took all 3 Admirals to deflect Whitebeard's attack
I don't think that's really fair

It took the 3 Admirals to make a barrier that would leave the platform without a scratch

In a 1-on-1 battle, the Admirals wouldn't even have to do anything, since their Logia bodies make them invulnerable to the long-range shockwave

If it was the opposite, and Akainu or Kizaru were attacking something Whitebeard wanted to protect, he alone would not be able to create a perfect barrier
 
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