One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Crimson Ice]

So u believe current luffy is oneshotting zoro and sanji?

Possibly. I'd lean towards no as even though Luffy got KOed at the start of the arc Law was able to take a Thunder Bagua and I would say Zoro too but had already taken hakai. Luffy is definitely low-diffing them. We ain't even see current Luffy whip out G4.

 

[Pirate Queen]

We have no evidence this is the case right now.

Okay, when it's revealed are you going g to keep the same energy?

 

[LadyVados]

Possibly. I'd lean towards no as even though Luffy got KOed at the start of the arc Law was able to take a Thunder Bagua and I would say Zoro too but had already taken hakai. Luffy is definitely low-diffing them. We ain't even see current Luffy whip out G4.

And people say my powerscaling is bad…

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Okay, when it's revealed are you going g to keep the same energy?

When it is revealed that the Gomu Gomu no is a secret weapon of the WG and the most powerful DF ever will you keep the same energy ?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Possibly. I'd lean towards no as even though Luffy got KOed at the start of the arc Law was able to take a Thunder Bagua and I would say Zoro too but had already taken hakai. Luffy is definitely low-diffing them. We ain't even see current Luffy whip out G4.

Gear 4 being sustained with Advanced CoC is low difficulty 99.9% of the Op Piece verse

 

[Crimson Ice]

1. If Zoro scarred him, what could Mihawk do ?
2. I don’t think Shanks would be a Yonko if it was possible to be stronger than him but still weaker than Kaido. Kaido vs Shanks would be an extreme diff either way.

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Zoro was competing against Kaku even before he used Asura.

Let’s assume he had a doriki of 1500, that means Asura tripled it to 4500.

Also Sanji low-diffed Jabra while Luffy almost died against Lucci who isn’t even twice as strong as Jabra.

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Except Zoro can use ACoC, he just can’t use it consciously. And he’ll probably learn how to use it consciously in a few chapters tbh.

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Zoro is going to low-diff King

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Exactly all this nonsense about Luffy being a Yonko tier is nonsense and Luffy-fanboyism. These same people were saying the same thing after Red Roc and again after 1010, look how that turned out.

Even if Luffy wins, considering the amount of help he has got, it’ll be the most illegitimate victory ever.

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As if Luffy fanboys don’t call him Yonko level whenever he tickles a Yonko and Kidd and Law fanboys don’t call them Luffy’s equals and the next WB whenever there is a panel showing them standing next to him.

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What training did Luffy do to get born to the most dangerous man in the world ?

Zoro was getting overwhelmed before Ashura. And Sanji vs Jaburya wasn't a low dif, dunno what fight you read. Not to mention. Lucci threatens to murder all the Straw Hats if he beats Luffy and Luffy is actually concerned. Your headcanon of Zoro tripling his doriki is simply that, headcannon.

 

[Pirate Queen]

When it is revealed that the Gomu Gomu no is a secret weapon of the WG and the most powerful DF ever will you keep the same energy ?

Yes I will. No one gives Whitebeard shit for have the world's strongest Devil Fruit so why would people, specially his fans, give a shit if Luffy has an OP devil fruit as well?

Now you answer, because you seem to be struggling. If it is revealed Zoro is a Shimotsuki will you say he is only powerful because he is related to Ryuma?

 

[LadyVados]

Gear 4 being sustained with Advanced CoC is low difficulty 99.9% of the Op Piece verse

If you’re basing that on number of named characters you’re just flat out wrong.

 

[Crimson Ice]

And people say my powerscaling is bad…

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When it is revealed that the Gomu Gomu no is a secret weapon of the WG and the most powerful DF ever will you keep the same energy ?

Your power scaling is bad, terrible actually. You said Zoro could beat Whitebeard. Meanwhile, I used events from the actual manga. Don't cry because you can't comprehend power creep.

 

[LadyVados]

Zoro was getting overwhelmed before Ashura. And Sanji vs Jaburya wasn't a low dif, dunno what fight you read. Not to mention. Lucci threatens to murder all the Straw Hats if he beats Luffy and Luffy is actually concerned. Your headcanon of Zoro tripling his doriki is simply that, headcannon.

I consider it a low diff.

Lucci can threaten anything he wants. Crocodile threatened to kill WB.

 

[Crimson Ice]

I consider it a low diff.

Lucci can threaten anything he wants. Crocodile threatened to kill WB.

Your reading comprehension is fried. Nobody took Croc's threat to WB seriously; the same can't be said about Lucci's threats.

 

[LadyVados]

Yes I will. No one gives Whitebeard shit for have the world's strongest Devil Fruit so why would people, specially his fans, give a shit if Luffy has an OP devil fruit as well?

Now you answer, because you seem to be struggling. If it is revealed Zoro is a Shimotsuki will you say he is only powerful because he is related to Ryuma?

Yet you give Zoro shit for having a great grade sword… It’s like you have no self-awareness.

IF Zoro is a shimotsuki (and it’s a very big IF at this point) then that still leaves Luffy with several unfair advantages. (Not to mention I don’t remember Zoro only managing to escape the most dangerous prison in the world because of his daddy’s subordinates…)

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Your power scaling is bad, terrible actually. You said Zoro could beat Whitebeard. Meanwhile, I used events from the actual manga. Don't cry because you can't comprehend power creep.

Saying Zoro > WB is infinitely more sane than Luffy low-diffs Zoro.

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Your reading comprehension is fried. Nobody took Croc's threat to WB seriously; the same can't be said about Lucci's threats.

Yes it was taken seriously by Luffy, the dumbest man alive… great argument.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Yet you give Zoro shit for having a great grade sword… It’s like you have no self-awareness.

IF Zoro is a shimotsuki (and it’s a very big IF at this point) then that still leaves Luffy with several unfair advantages. (Not to mention I don’t remember Zoro only managing to escape the most dangerous prison in the world because of his daddy’s subordinates…)

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Saying Zoro > WB is infinitely more sane than Luffy low-diffs Zoro.

No, it's not. That only proves my point about you LMAOO. Luffy is Yonko level and meanwhile, Zoro is barely keeping up with a first commander. I refuse to believe you are THIS stupid. You must be trolling; the trolling ain't good, but a troll regardless.

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Yet you give Zoro shit for having a great grade sword… It’s like you have no self-awareness.

IF Zoro is a shimotsuki (and it’s a very big IF at this point) then that still leaves Luffy with several unfair advantages. (Not to mention I don’t remember Zoro only managing to escape the most dangerous prison in the world because of his daddy’s subordinates…)

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Saying Zoro > WB is infinitely more sane than Luffy low-diffs Zoro.

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Yes it was taken seriously by Luffy, the dumbest man alive… great argument.

Yes, because Luffy is soo dumb he knows who his crew can and can't handle now...Sure, anyone could threaten them and he'd take it seriously. You're definitely a troll and kinda stupid too.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Yet you give Zoro shit for having a great grade sword… It’s like you have no self-awareness.

IF Zoro is a shimotsuki (and it’s a very big IF at this point) then that still leaves Luffy with several unfair advantages. (Not to mention I don’t remember Zoro only managing to escape the most dangerous prison in the world because of his daddy’s subordinates…)

Yeah that's what I thought. Your such a hypocrite. Like being training by the WSS isn't an unfair advantage at all.

At least Luffy fans can accept that faults in his character, precieved or otherwise.

And you wanna joke about Luffy's daddy but the only reason Zoro is alive is because Kuma spared him on Thriller Bark as a favor to Luffy's daddy. And then saved Zoro on Shabondy.

You should be more grateful.

 

[grey matter]

I disagree, Shanks is the man who ended the war at Marineford with a word, Luffy’s goal, Roger’s heir, He already had an encounter with Kaido, And clashed evenly with a medical equipment-assisted WB, there’s no way Kaido is beating him high diff.

I mean yeah, Marines didn't want to deal with a fresh Yonko and his crew + Blackbeard + WB crew. Not really surprising here.

We don't know much about his encounter with Kaido, it seems both sides backed off, hence Shanks and crew reaching completely fresh

I can see Kaido replicating the feat against WB too. And again, we already know Shanks has insane haki. The guy has no DF, so him being a Yonko suggests his haki is likely the best in the current OP verse. But this doesn't mean Kaido can't high diff him, when he has his DF to compensate

And again, you may be right.
But until Shanks proves otherwise, I'm giving Kaido a high diff win for all the hype he has so far. When the manga implied that he cannot be defeated in a 1v1 by anyone in start of Wano arc, and called him the strongest creature.


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Anyway, regarding Luffy.

I think he's a solid admiral tier (eg Kizaru) now, but not Yonko tier. It's too soon for him to reach that level, since we still have like 4 more arcs to go.

His (predicted) win against Kaido will be after an insane gauntlet:
- 9 Scabbards having advanced armament haki, with their stronger members YC2-3 tier and their weaker members being upper Tobiroppo tier
- fight against supernovas
- defeat Luffy r1
- tanked attack from Zoro
- defeat Luffy r2 (after he learned advanced conqueror's)
- about to defeat Yamato (while likely holding back)
All this while, he was spending energy flying a freaking island across the sea

This current fight starts with Luffy relatively fresh (eating up months worth of food, rested); and with Kaido tired and barely able to keep Onigashima afloat.

The sky splitting feat is still impressive.
To me, it suggests Luffy's conqueror's haki has reached a state where it is comparable to that of a Yonko. But Yonkos have superior stats otherwise. He would be able to put a good fight against them in a pure 1v1 (like say Kizaru would), but would still lose.


This is where I predict end of Wano arc power levels to be at:
- Luffy: solid admiral tier (Kizaru)
- Zoro: low admiral tier (Marco/Fujitora)
- Sanji: YC1 tier (King/Katakuri)

 

[LadyVados]

No, it's not. That only proves my point about you LMAOO. Luffy is Yonko level and meanwhile, Zoro is barely keeping up with a first commander. I refuse to believe you are THIS stupid. You must be trolling; the trolling ain't good, but a troll regardless.

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Yes, because Luffy is soo dumb he knows who his crew can and can't handle now...Sure, anyone could threaten them and he'd take it seriously. You're definitely a troll and kinda stupid too.

Luffy is NOT Yonko level, he will only become Yonko level in the Blackbeard arc. Beating Kaido in a 50 v 1 doesn't make you Yonko level (Assuming Luffy wins, which is a big if)

Not to mention an actual Yonko level- Kaido couldn't low-diff Zoro...

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Yeah that's what I thought. Your such a hypocrite. Like being training by the WSS isn't an unfair advantage at all.

At least Luffy fans can accept that faults in his character, precieved or otherwise.

And you wanna joke about Luffy's daddy but the only reason Zoro is alive is because Kuma spared him on Thriller Bark as a favor to Luffy's daddy. And then saved Zoro on Shabondy.

You should be more grateful.

For every unfair advantage Zoro has got, Luffy has got 10 more. Stop being a hypocrite.

Also your pfp has reminded me of another one- being the underage beloved of 1 of the 7 warlords of the sea, who has saved him multiple times.

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- Luffy: solid admiral tier (Kizaru)
- Zoro: low admiral tier (Marco/Fujitora)
- Sanji: YC1 tier (King/Katakuri)

Since I think Zoro and Sanji will win their fights low diff once they get their new power-ups, I have Zoro at Kizaru level and Sanji at Marco level.

 

[Pirate Queen]

For every unfair advantage Zoro has got, Luffy has got 10 more. Stop being a hypocrite.

What am I being a hypocrite over? I never said Luffy didn't get unfair advantages. (He is literally the "Chosen One/Joyboy)

Your just trying to rationalize why Zoro is weaker than Luffy and the best that you can come up with is that Luffy, the main character, has better advantages to being the strongest in his own series... just like every other shounen series.

 

[LadyVados]

What am I being a hypocrite over? I never said Luffy didn't get unfair advantages. (He is literally the "Chosen One/Joyboy)

Your just trying to rationalize why Zoro is weaker than Luffy and the best that you can come up with is that Luffy, the main character, has better advantages to being the strongest in his own series... just like every other shounen series.

You are literally obsessed with Ooh Oda gave Zoro Enma ! OMG So unfair ! Zoro would be a weakling if he didn't have Enma. He doesn't work hard like Luffy for his power-ups, etc.

 

[Pirate Queen]

You are literally obsessed with Ooh Oda gave Zoro Enma ! OMG So unfair ! Zoro would be a weakling if he didn't have Enma. He doesn't work hard like Luffy for his power-ups, etc.

You can't deny that if Zoro didn't have Enma he would have never cut Kaido. Huge difference. That is literally the whole point of Enma

I never said Zoro doesn't work hard. I said for this battle his power-up was far less earned.

"Earned" probably isn't the best word for it. Zoro does deserve to have Enma and take part in defeating Kaido now that we know he is most likely from Wano and is subconsciously fighting to free his Ancestrial homeland. What I mean to say that is given to Zoro and allows him to do something he would otherwise be unable to do by the time the Onigashima Raid began. That cannot be argued. That a fact. Eventually he will be able to do what does with Enma...without Enma.

 

[grey matter]

You can't deny that if Zoro didn't have Enma he would have never cut Kaido. Huge difference. That is literally the whole point of Enma

Isn't it kinda tricky here?

No denying that Enma is a powerup for Zoro. It is sharper and stronger.

But all Enma does is take more haki out of Zoro than usual, it doesn't use haki that Zoro doesn't have to begin with. It's the pattern for the cursed swords, similar to how Kitetsu and Shisui acted in the beginning. They didn't "listen" to Zoro and acted like they had a mind of their own, until Zoro tamed them.

What Zoro did to Kaido would've been impossible if Zoro didn't have conqueror's haki and advanced armament haki to begin with

Since I think Zoro and Sanji will win their fights low diff once they get their new power-ups, I have Zoro at Kizaru level and Sanji at Marco level.

We'll see. However, going by precedents, I think it's going to be high-extreme diff for both of them after powerups (Kaku/Jabra, Mr1/Mr2, etc)

 

[Pirate Queen]

Isn't it kinda tricky here?

No denying that Enma is a powerup for Zoro.

But all Enma does is take more haki out of Zoro than usual, it doesn't use haki that Zoro doesn't have to begin with. It's the pattern for the cursed swords, similar to how Kitetsu and Shisui acted in the beginning. They didn't "listen" to Zoro and acted like they had a mind of their own, until Zoro tamed them.

What Zoro did to Kaido would've been impossible if Zoro didn't have conqueror's haki and advanced armament haki to begin with

Enma allows Zoro to do something he would otherwise be unable to do. Can we at least agree on that? It's literally the entire point of him getting Enma.

Without it he could not have scarred Kaido.

Whether it's his haki or not isn't the biggest issue.

As for CoC, it was already established that Zoro didn't utilize it with Ashura. Every other CoC attack has shown a trail of black lightening and Zoro's attack had no such effect.

So remove Enma from Onigashima and the most useful thing Zoro could have done on the Rooftop is cut fire. He would have been like any of the other scabbard.

This shouldn't be a hot take. But somehow it has...