One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Luffy need to try to recruit Beckman for the circle to be complete

A woman after my own heart indeed

 

[AmitDS]

Luffy need to try to recruit Beckman for the circle to be complete

No one wants my best boi Katakuri

 

[Core D. Roy]

No one wants my best boi Katakuri

The future captain of the Big Brother Pirates can't go around following some joyous boy. He's got shit to do.

 

[XXGenesis]

I’m betting it’s gonna be Shiryu, Marco, Beckman, Katakuri, King.

 

[grey matter]

O you're good. No thinking that's exactly what happened.

Zoro's always had great reaction time. Add basic CoO to that and he just keeps giving.

Post Wano Zoro should be able to edge out the rest of the 1st commanders or tie. Would really love to see him fight Vista before going for Mihawk (in my head, Vista's the second Strongest Swordsman).

Given Mihawk's praise for Vista, I'd like to think his swordsmanship and strength is pretty decent. Obviously at this point, Zoro's defeating him without too much difficulty.

Yeah, Zoro has always been amazing in CQC. He is pretty close to Luffy in CQC, broadly speaking.

I think Zoro would lose to Katakuri due to matchup, though I would put Zoro generally above Katakuri in a strongest list.
IMO Marco is, generally speaking, above Zoro as well. Zoro had a hard time dealing with King's combat speed, and Marco is faster than King by a margin. He has good attack power and broken durability as well

Yeah, I too would love to see a Zoro vs Vista as well. Zoro should win, but this would be a great fight. High- extreme diff win for Zoro IMO

In OP world, there is no such thing as YC1+ since it's clearly fan made level.

True. But same can be said for YC1, 2, 3 etc.
The terms themselves are fanmade, but they have some basis in story. From what I know; YC1,2 and 3 specifically are centered around King, Queen and Jack due to established hierarchy within beast pirates

YC1+ is definitely fanmade.
But it is a tier we use as a buffer between say King tier and admiral tier. Say characters like Kid or Yamato for eg, who should be above King by non insignificant margin, but not quite admiral level. I would place Marco, Law and Zoro in there as well.

Next arc, nah, he feats right now have solidified her. It's not even 100% that she will be the next crewmate. ACOC is an ability meant for top tiers or people closing in on that level.

Marco didn't fight BM much nor did Marco damage her, What Yamato did was more impressive. Big Mama parted ways because she didn't want to waste resources on Marco. Yamato's feats were better against the stronger opponent.

Law and Kidd as a duo are Yonko tier, but I'm basing them off their individual strength.


So you say she's not getting low-diffed then continue to say LOW-med dif, just saying med-dif. And that's not pushing it.

Marco can't damage BM the same way Yamato can, because advanced conq makes more impact at this level. This would be like saying Zoro > Marco, because Zoro will be able to damage BM much easier than Marco could.
But generally speaking, this wouldn't be an issue amongst most other characters. Overall, I put Marco above Yamato. But against Kaido or BM, Yamato would fare better

Marco was still strong enough to hold her for almost as long as the Scabbards vs Kaido, and come out of it unscatched. Immediately going onto fight King + Queen for hours while expending energy healing up thousands of soldiers.


By low-mid diff, I mean closer to mid diff but not quite (I should've made it clear in my reply I suppose) . Which is why I said mid diff if we're pushing it

 

[Crimson Ice]

What high level haki usage are you seeing? He's coating his blade... that's it. What high levels are you seeing? Show me.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Zoro. Used. COC. To. break. Through. Kaido's. Scales.

Stop being wrong about things so obviously wrong

 

[Crimson Ice]

Marco can't damage BM the same way Yamato can, because advanced conq makes more impact at this level. This would be like saying Zoro > Marco, because Zoro will be able to damage BM much easier than Marco could.
But generally speaking, this wouldn't be an issue amongst most other characters. Overall, I put Marco above Yamato. But against Kaido or BM, Yamato would fare better

Marco was still strong enough to hold her for almost as long as the Scabbards vs Kaido, and come out of it unscatched. Immediately going onto fight King + Queen for hours while expending energy healing up thousands of soldiers.


By low-mid diff, I mean closer to mid diff but not quite (I should've made it clear in my reply I suppose) . Which is why I said mid diff if we're pushing it

Well that's a false comparison because Zoro himself has not shown to be able to tango with a Yonko one on one despite his high attack power. Yamato, even outside of ACoC has shown she has the base stats to somewhat keep up with a Yonko. If both Yamato and Marco can fight a Yonko for an extended period of time, except Yamato is actually able to damage her opponent she is more impressive.



Yamato has flat out just outperformed Marco against a stronger opponent (Kaido was in his hybrid form, while Big Mam literally didn't want to use resources against Marco).

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Zoro. Used. COC. To. break. Through. Kaido's. Scales.

Stop being wrong about things so obviously wrong

Zoro. Used. COC. To. break. Through. Kaido's. Scales.

Stop being wrong about things so obviously wrong

 

[Pirate Queen]

Well that's a false comparison because Zoro himself has not shown to be able to tango with a Yonko one on one despite his high attack power. Yamato, even outside of ACoC has shown she has the base stats to somewhat keep up with a Yonko. If both Yamato and Marco can fight a Yonko for an extended period of time, except Yamato is actually able to damage her opponent she is more impressive.



Yamato has flat out just outperformed Marco against a stronger opponent (Kaido was in his hybrid form, while Big Mam literally didn't want to use resources against Marco).

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Using. Enma.

Jesus

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@Crimson Ice : "Zoro used regular haki"

 

[LadyVados]

Using. Enma.

The Gomu Gomu No Mi is currently fighting on par with Kaido

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What do you guys think of the power scaling in this video ?

 

[grey matter]

The Gomu Gomu No Mi is currently fighting on par with Kaido

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What do you guys think of the power scaling in this video ?

IMHO that was a ridiculous video

 

[Core D. Roy]

The Gomu Gomu No Mi is currently fighting on par with Kaido

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What do you guys think of the power scaling in this video ?

The gumgum DF being a part of Luffy's character since chapter 1, being an inherently interesting and unique power that is inexorably connected to the character is definitely exactly like Zoro getting a magical Kaidou-cutting sword a few days before battling Kaidou.

Just the picture of that video is giving me heartburn. Good lord what an abomination.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

The Gomu Gomu No Mi is currently fighting on par with Kaido

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What do you guys think of the power scaling in this video ?

didnt watch. no doubt it'd waste my time.

 

[XXGenesis]

So who has the strongest commanders??!
Big Mom?
White Beard ?
Shanks ?
WhiteBeard?!

 

[AmitDS]

The Gomu Gomu No Mi is currently fighting on par with Kaido

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What do you guys think of the power scaling in this video ?

Into the trash that video goes based solely on that atrocious thumbnail lmao

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So who has the strongest commanders??!
Big Mom?
White Beard ?
Shanks ?
WhiteBeard?!

You have WB twice xD *cries in drunk Kaido*

Of the Yonkou crews that we've seen (BMP, BP & WBP), I would have to say Whitebeard. We don't know about Shanks' commanders at present, beyond the VC entry of Beckman saying that his "existence" was the same as Shanks (may not refer to strength/power) and that his small crew has a very high average bounty (which could be used as evidence imo to support that his commanders are indeed strong). And as BB and his crew should be EOS or close to EOS villains, he can in theory have the strongest commanders, but we don't know at present.

WBP Commanders:

Marco: His portrayal is the most impressive imo because of his portrayal vs. Kizaru in MF (In DB: Blue Deep it's even stated that he fought equally with Admirals) and his portrayal vs. King & Queen in Onigashima (making Defense Mode King bleed, making Queen bleed and throwing them all over the map while exhausted, etc.).

Vista: He was strong and skilled enough to parry Mihawk and the DB/VC (can't recall which) goes as far as to say that he in that moment had as good or better swordsmanship than WSS Mihawk, make of that what you will.

Jozu: Imo he has the least on-panel stuff to go off of, but he did block the "strongest slash in the world" and made Aokiji bleed for whatever that's worth.

It should also be noted that in MF they were handling their fights well until they were distracted due to WB getting a heart attack (leading to Aokiji freezing Jozu, Marco getting seastone cuffed, etc.)

Spoiler

Ace: Dead.

A little speculation:
I think if they were to appear again, power creep will do them a lot of favors as well, similar to how Marco has been shown with great feats in Wano. Vista could theoretically be a mentor to Zoro right before his fight with Mihawk and the last stepping stone before he faces the WSS.
Regarding, Jozu he may also have the best durability (DF) in the verse if we see him appear again.

 

[Fallou]

The Gomu Gomu No Mi is currently fighting on par with Kaido

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What do you guys think of the power scaling in this video ?

Looool
Back to your usual stuff I guess?

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

So who has the strongest commanders??!
Big Mom?
White Beard ?
Shanks ?
WhiteBeard?!

At their best , I’d say whitebeard
Ace
Jozu
Marco
Vista
Thatch* ( but more of manga )

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Yeah, Zoro has always been amazing in CQC. He is pretty close to Luffy in CQC, broadly speaking.

What's CQC?

 

[Rein Avara]

What's CQC?

Close Quarter Combat

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

What's CQC?

Call it random but something seems strange with Law and Kidd using their DF awakening.


When Doflamingo showed off his, he claimed it was a more efficient way of fighting since he's turning the surrounding into his DF and not producing it as he normally would therefore saving stamina. At the time, it was a big enough power up preventing him from getting ragdolled by Luffy and also being able to at least fight back momentarily.

For Katakuri, his usage was also similar to Doffy but used to end the fight quickly with Luffy. I'm guessing it's also not tasking his stamina given the length of that battle.

Meanwhile, we have Kidd and Law both proclaiming how very tasking their DF awakening is for them. It's either bcos their DF isn't the sort that produce substances or they just haven't fully mastered awakening yet.
It's already established that Law's DF eats up his stamina when he uses room to cover an insane distance. I previously thought awakening would be "all the advantages, none of the disadvantages" but it's becoming clearer that some DF share a pattern others don't.

Kidd's awakening mirrors Law while Katakuri's mirrors Doffy's.

I wonder what Luffy's DF awakening would look like but it's surely not going to be like the latter. It's either a whole different pattern or something like his Supernova rivals.


It's awfully suspicious that all confirmed DF awakenings belong to the Paramecia class