One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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7. Law having CoC currently.
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[Core D. Roy]

Do you change your mind if it’s current Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe vs the entire BM pirates not including their captain?

If Captain Flampe isn't there, then yeah I think the Strawhats probably take it. Luffy has actually surpassed Katakuri now, but it'd still probably be a battle of attrition again. The rest of the Sweet Commanders go down with an appropriate matchup.

Now if the Charlotte family has a coordinated strategy specifically for this fight, it would probably go the other way out of sheer numbers and the fact we don't know what like 90% of the family can even do in combat. 85 is a very big number lol and unlike a certain other Emperor's crew full of dumb assholes, the Big Mom Pirates are very, very good at coordination and teamwork.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

I don't see how DD can be a threat to Luffy with FS and ACoA and CoC. Not sure if people realise this, but Luffy's attacks were ineffective before against Kaido and now he was able to damage him. Guess what will happen to DD if he takes some CoC infused punches... I am talking about base/Gear 2/Gear 3 and Gear 4 Luffy.

Gear 5 Luffy would stomp DD, no discussion here.

We were talking about immediate rematches after recovering from their fights so in this case it would be post Dressrosa Luffy v post Dressosa Doffy. Current Luffy would definitely wipe the floor with Doffy.

Because I think Gear 4 is inherently an imperfect awakening. The fact that his body retains rubber property despite being clad in Haki + ability to change direction of his punches are all abilities that were somehow easily achieved once Luffy awakened. I think that's the main reason and it wouldn't surprise me that we will never see Gear 4 ever again

That's an interesting take on G4. So I take it you don't consider G2 & G3 to be lower levels of this imperfect awakening. If they are merely techniques, would be interesting if Luffy combined G2+G5 so he could have the crazy speed on top of all his other powers.

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 8, 2022, Original Post Date: Jul 8, 2022 ---

Hmm I disagree with most of that but I get your thinking.
I don’t think any move in G4 is slow.
Doffy already tried to use his awakening to guard but was overpowered. I don’t think he’d be very successful in stalling G4 luffy.
I also think that G4 is way faster than doffy for him to be able to dodge. Also, what’s stopping Luffy from using snakeman and chasing him down quickly? In a rematch he’d know not to waste time in his base form like before no?

That's a very good point on Snakeman. I didn't even think about it since Luffy didn't use that until his fight with Katakuri.

As for the Doffy using his awakening & other powers to stall, I think he could still do it regardless of what Luffy did. Heck he could even create a miniature bird cage to act as a prison or a defense, depending on the situation.

 

[Bandit99]

If Captain Flampe isn't there, then yeah I think the Strawhats probably take it. Luffy has actually surpassed Katakuri now, but it'd still probably be a battle of attrition again. The rest of the Sweet Commanders go down with an appropriate matchup.

Now if the Charlotte family has a coordinated strategy specifically for this fight, it would probably go the other way out of sheer numbers and the fact we don't know what like 90% of the family can even do in combat. 85 is a very big number lol and unlike a certain other Emperor's crew full of dumb assholes, the Big Mom Pirates are very, very good at coordination and teamwork.

Just realised you may have not noticed that I removed both Luffy and Yamato. This time it’s just Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe

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That's a very good point on Snakeman. I didn't even think about it since Luffy didn't use that until his fight with Katakuri.

As for the Doffy using his awakening & other powers to stall, I think he could still do it regardless of what Luffy did. Heck he could even create a miniature bird cage to act as a prison or a defense, depending on the situation.

I fully forgot about birdcage. That’s the ultimate stall lol

 

[Core D. Roy]

Just realised you may have not noticed that I removed both Luffy and Yamato. This time it’s just Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe

I did not. Yeah Charlotte Family almost certainly wins out without Luffy and Yamato. It's just bad matchups for Zoro Sanji and Jinbei, I'm not even 100% sure they win against just the Sweet Commanders with the assorted top officers, much less the full 85 kids.

I fully forgot about birdcage. That’s the ultimate stall lol

What does Birdcage even do 1v1? It's not much of a ticking clock if we're playing Final Destination/1v1/no items. There's nothing to really suggest Doffy could miniaturize it, it'd be even more stupidly overpowered if he could just trap a 1v1 opponent in a cage that couldn't be broken by hundreds of people when spread out.

 

[GL_Nova]

Kaido is the only person with the caveat that he cannot lose, or doesn’t lose. Luffy beat him. BM would catch the hands.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

What does Birdcage even do 1v1? It's not much of a ticking clock if we're playing Final Destination/1v1/no items. There's nothing to really suggest Doffy could miniaturize it, it'd be even more stupidly overpowered if he could just trap a 1v1 opponent in a cage that couldn't be broken by hundreds of people when spread out.

Against an opponent with a time limit, it would be a great stalling technique. We haven't seen anyone be able to break it so it can act as a barrier or a cage. As for the size thing, the one he created in Law's flashback was far smaller, only covering a small town, compared to the one he used in Dressrosa. So he can manipulate the size, we just don't know how big or how small he can go.

 

[albertwv]

We have to be real here, Big Mom is NOT equal to Kaido at all. We saw what both Yonkos could do and how much they were pushed. It is clear that Kaido would outlast the old hag. I'll make it clear, I do not like BM, or at least the way Oda portrayed her in Wano. She was a solid character in WCI but in Wano versus Kid and Law it was horrible.
I had high hopes for her but in Wano she was treated badly and not in the same leagues as Kaido. I actually wanted her to escape Wano with her crew and live to fight another day maybe in Elbaf. A true 1v1 with Luffy, so Luffy could beat the shit out of her like he promised to and solidify his true strength as a Yonko.
Because right now I don't see Luffy the same as Kaido in a 1v1, but I do think Luffy is above the admirals. Unless Oda pulls more shit out of his ass and makes the admirals (GreenBull) stronger than Kaido and Big Mom. Then the whole power level balance would be ruined.

 

[Zehahaha]

That's an interesting take on G4. So I take it you don't consider G2 & G3 to be lower levels of this imperfect awakening. If they are merely techniques, would be interesting if Luffy combined G2+G5 so he could have the crazy speed on top of all his other powers.

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 8, 2022, Original Post Date: Jul 8, 2022 ---

Yeah. I was always wondering about the steam in Gear 4 and the way it was, but we know understand where that is from. Gear 2 for me is a technique, he is just pumping blood. Gear 3 just pumping air in his bones.

Gear 4 to some extent is a technique as well, but I feel the Nika aspects of his DF start to emerge strongly in that mode. For example, I don't think pumping air into his muscle makes that much of a difference. The fact that he is able to clad his body in Haki without his rubber body being affected, the fact that he is able to change direction of his punches... Those are all abilities that fit with the way Gear 5 was described (freedom of movement).

 

[Core D. Roy]

Kaido is the only person with the caveat that he cannot lose, or doesn’t lose. Luffy beat him. BM would catch the hands.

We have to be real here, Big Mom is NOT equal to Kaido at all.

It's perfectly natural to be wrong every once in a while xD

 

[M3J]

What is Big Mom being inferior to Kaidou based on??

 

[Fox666]

What is Big Mom being inferior to Kaidou based on??

Big Mom hyped Kaido way back in Whole Cake Island arc

 

[M3J]

That... doesn't mean she's inferior, just that Kaidou is powerful enough to be acknowledged by his senior.

 

[LadyVados]

Vs Battles wikia rates Queen as hundreds of times stronger and several times faster than Katakuri.

Thoughts ?

 

[Rein Avara]

Vs Battles wikia rates Queen as hundreds of times stronger and several times faster than Katakuri.

Thoughts ?

Nonsense

 

[Fox666]

Nonsense

One Piece powerscaling = nonsense

Wouldn't that make it accurate?

 

[Rein Avara]

One Piece powerscaling = nonsense

Wouldn't that make it accurate?

If that's what you want to believe, go for it.

 

[Core D. Roy]

One Piece powerscaling = nonsense

Wouldn't that make it accurate?

You're posting in a thread called "One Piece power level discussion". No need to be on a high horse here.

 

[Pirate Queen]

So if Katakuri is stronger than King, the power scaling goes

Queen>Katakuri>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> King?

Interesting.... very interesting

Also me*

 

[Fox666]

You're posting in a thread called "One Piece power level discussion". No need to be on a high horse here.

I'm not in a high horse

Vs Wiki is going to measure characters feats outside of One Piece world logic

I.e. Kizaru can kick you at the speed of light, by definition that should make him 1 quintillion times stronger than everyone else

 

[M3J]

Vs Battles wikia rates Queen as hundreds of times stronger and several times faster than Katakuri.

Thoughts ?

Manga matters more than wikia