One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[Takuan]

I see that part as him trying to fool the Marines present into thinking he was actually damaged from the hit + that was a G2 punch IIRC (it hurts a lot in truth just ask Blueno if we are talking pre-TS).
Remember, Katakuri also received a non-hardened basic kick from Luffy and bled and this was a guy famed to possess superhuman strength.

I wouldn't look too much into that if I were you.

Huh? Garp bleeding from Luffy's punch was but an attempt at fooling the other marines? I haven't heard anything like this before. Whatever you say dude, that's headcannon at best tbh. It can also just mean he truly was injured by the punch.
So we're comparing Garp to Blueno now? And here i thought i was being too hard on Garp. So an attack that hurt Blueno is sure to damage Garp, that is what you're saying? God damn.
Katakuri was never famed for his durability whatsoever since he was never being touched by anyone prior to Luffy. Plus, we're talking about a post-timeskip Luffy. Garp was damaged by pre-timeskip Luffy. Any way you look at it, being damaged by pre-timeskip Luffy is very lackluster for someone who everyone hypes to be a legend still on par with Whitebeard and higher than Admirals.

Why wouldn't i look into that? Am i suppose to just disregard the negative feat from Garp, and only take the positives into account? Wait... Garp has no positive feat.

Rayleigh would just be a similar character to Garp - legendary - with nothing much to show for it on-screen were it not that he's written to be Luffy's Sensei.

Garp was ahead of Rayleigh when they were at their peak during their generation so it's not wrong to think even in decline he's still superior.

So powerlevels remain the exact same throughout the years. Nobody ever become stronger than another.
By the way, i'm fine with saying Garp is similar to Rayleigh in strength. Because i place Rayleigh below Aokiji, Akainu and Kizaru, which is exactly where i place Garp. Again, i never said Garp was not strong. I said he was not god tier anymore. He used to be, but that's in the past.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Nope i am quite positiv about this, What can Luffy do against so many biscuit soldiers without Namis Rain to weaken them? Luffy didnt power up his punches, he just got better at observation.

Without Nami Luffy would have been curbstomped quite bad, so i dont see him winning now.

Just a reminder: Without G4, Luffy was just equal to one(!) Biscuit soldier in terms of power. since Cracker can produce limitless thats a real problem.

This is laughable, but okay

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Akainu and Kizaru, which is exactly where i place Garp. Again, i never said Garp was not strong. I said he was not god tier anymore. He used to be, but that's in the past.

Agreed. We are still saying the same thing. They were the strongest in a particular time period but not anymore.
I expect the Admirals to be able to defeat these former legendary characters with extreme difficulty.

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Katakuri was never famed for his durability whatsoever since he was never being touched by anyone prior to Luffy.

Katakuri was famed for everything. From his absolute strength to stamina to Haki to durability to even his outward appearance. You name it.
He was seen as the complete perfect guy by those who don't know him very well and that includes some family members too save the likes of Big Mom, Peros, Brulee, and a few others.

The evidence for that is his tanking of G4 attacks. Even Doffy who's a tanker in his own right pales in tanking hits of G4 as good as Katakuri did and were it not for the blood loss both Katakuri and Luffy were suffering from, I doubt the fight would end the way it did.
Katakuri is not a glass cannon like Cracker and just bcos he hardly gets hit in fights doesn't mean he can't tank.
Yonko apart, he's still the best G4 tanker we've seen.

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Huh? Garp bleeding from Luffy's punch was but an attempt at fooling the other marines? I haven't heard anything like this before.

My opinion is due to Sengoku's reaction to Garp after he took the hit clearly allowing Luffy to pass the platform.
Sengoku knew Garp's feelings would get in the way of duty hence his comment and reaction afterwards.
It's also possible he was actually hurt perhaps one of the dangers of old age. Even WB was receiving silly wounds here and there during the war.
The bottom line is it counts little.

 

[Fox666]

Actually Garp took a punch from Luffy and bled from that. He took it willingly but still bled from it, from a punch from Luffy pre-timeskip.

Was Garp supposed to be indestructible like Big Mom or Kaido...? Even White Beard bleed from attacks coming from weak characters.

 

[M3J]

Anyways Garp is seriously overhyped and not even a likeable character. Sitting idle at his grandchild's execution. Garp is a piece of shit that puts himself over others. Funny how people like a person with such a trash personality simply because he is the main character's granddad.

What? We know why Garp sat idle- because he was bound to duty over family. If Garp put himself first, then he'd have saved and protected Ace and Luffy. He let LUffy punch him so Luffy could save Ace and was about to fight Akainu after he put a hole in Ace's stomach.

Garp since his introduction has been established as someone who hates pirates and sees them as a great evil, hence why he became a Marine, stressed to Ace and Luffy on becoming a Marine, and lamented Ace becoming a pirate when he was on the execution stand. Personally, I like Garp because he's usually laidback and carefree. ANd his hype also comes from him being the only one to corner Roger multiple times and survive clashes, which could perhaps be because others didn't want to or were too busy to, or Garp did the best job of getting Roger.

Also, if Garp put himself over others, then why not accept promotion to admiral? He's apparently refused it multiple times, which does show he's at least on par with the three admirals. Garp has also done or said things that could get him in trouble as well, like willing to let Luffy go after Enies Lobby until he got yelled at.

1 vs. 1 against Cracker i still see him lose, its just a real bad matchup.

Nah, I see him standing a way better chance. What's weird is that he didn't use his G4 tankman or balloon earlier, that was brilliant thinking and could have ended the fight earlier.

 

[afromarco005]

The thing is, I am not even sure if him fighting Blackbeard and Burgess was even in the Manga, I think that was anime-only.
Anyways Garp is seriously overhyped and not even a likeable character. Sitting idle at his grandchild's execution. Garp is a piece of shit that puts himself over others. Funny how people like a person with such a trash personality simply because he is the main character's granddad.

Still, I'd put him over Doflamingo. But he and Sengoku are probably below the Pre-Skip Admirals, that fought the likes of Marco, Jozu and Vista completely unfazed.


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Anyways, let's rank some characters within their individual groups, since that is much easier. Let's start with the villain goups (skipping the Impostor Straw Hats):

New Fishman Pirates:

1. Hody Jones (White)
2. Wadatsumi
3. Hyozu (White)
4. Hyozu
5. Hody Jones Hyozu performed better against Luffy on land than Hody against Zoro underwater
6. Other officers - honestly not too much difference in them
7. Hammond, Harisenbon, Kasagoba

CC

1. Monet
2. Caesar Clown
3. Yeti Cool Bros
4. Brownbeard
5. Smooge, Chappe, Run, Fen Bock

Donquixote Family:

1. Doflamingo
2. Vergo
3. Pica
4. Trebol
5. Diamante - he is shit
6. Monet
7. Dellinger, Gladius, Lao G, Senor Pink, Baby 5, Bellamy
8. Machvise
9. Buffalo
10. Sugar, Jola
11. Kween

Big Mom Pirates (lots of speculation here):

1. Big Mom
2. Katakuri
3. Smoothie
4. Cracker
5. Snack
6. Perospero, Oven, Daifuku, Bege, Compote (presumably)
7. Tamago, Charlotte Decuplets (together), Custard (Cracker's twin, was sent after the Supernova Bege), Streusen
8. Pekoms
9. Opera, Galette, Mont-d'Or, Bobbin, Amande, Nusstorte, Citron, Cinammon, Bavarois
10. Counter, Cadenza, Cabaletta, Gala
11. Brulee, Broye, Raisin, Yuen, Decuplets (individually), Mondee, Hachee, Efilee, Angel, Basskarte, Dosmarche, Poire, Brownie, Joconde, Chiboust, Dacquoise, Basans, Kanten, Kato
12. Zucotto, Noisette, Moscato, Mash, Compo, Laurin, Mozart, Marnier, High-Fat, Tablet, Saint-Marc, Prim, Praline, Montb, Mobile, Marble, Myukuru, Maple, Panna, Mascarpone, Joscarpone, Nougat, Flambe, Pudding
13. Cornstarch, Melise, Lola, Chiffon, Diesel, Randolph, Noble Croc

Only difference between 9 and 10 is, that characters in 9 either have more feats or are twins of a higher ranked character. I always put twins not to far away from their siblings. Anyways, lots of speculation here. I placed Cornstarch and Melise in the bottom since they really don't look like fighters.

Beast Pirates:

1. Kaido
2. King
3. Queen
4. Jack
5. Drake, Hawinks, Apoo
6. Page One
7. Babanuki, Sheepshead (who's actually strong lol, completely unscathed after facing the Minks for days)
8. Holdem
9. Daifugo, Dobon, Solitaire, Speed, Ginrummy (presumed), Scotch
10. Gazelleman, Mouseman, Batman, Alpacaman

Anyways most of this came from the top of my head, so I didn't reread for fact checking.

Ok I post the characters in order from strongest to weakest and compare them to a character who is at the same level imo.

New fishman pirates

1. Hordy jones: I put him at around Lucci+ level of strenght. Strong but not impressive in the new world
2. Hyozu: Kaku + level
3. Wadatsumi: big but nothing else he is at pre TS Franky level at best.
4. Rest: garbage even with the pills so PreTS cute chopper level.

CC scientists.

1. Ceasar: he is an idiot but his fruit is OP he is around Marineford luffy level imo
2. Monet: very good fruit decent abilities around the same level as enies lobby Sanji.
3. Yeti cool: they were not that strong really.

DD family:

1. Doffy: is at top VA level imo stronger than gear 3 &2 but lower than 4th, he has crazy endurence though
2. Pica: Town sized gigaton punches thanks to his fruit but pica himself was not that strong VA level
3. Vergo: no3 because of pica's DF otherwise he is higher. VA level
4. Diamante: is at Kaku+Level
5. LaoG/Machvise: is at monster chopper level
6. Trebol: is kindda pathetic Axehand morgan level

Big mom Pirates

1. Big mom: Strongest female in verse, Yonko level
2. Katakuri: The man himself topYC level
3. Smoothie: Is in the top 3 strongest women in verse even Oda hyped her up High YC level
4. Cracker: Without his plot convenient allergy to pain he would be a top threat but right now he is mid YC level.
5. Oven/Daifuku their Df are promising Low YC level
6. Amande/Perospero/Compotte/Mont dor are all comptent fighters I put them at Current luffy without gears+
7. Tamago/Pekoms without su long at marineford luffy level
8. Brulée/opera/Pudding/Guy who lost his lifespan to mama at current human point chopper
9. Flampée: garbage character but amazing sniper sogeking level.

Beast pirates

1. Kaido: top Yonko tier strongest creature alive
2. King: Strikes fear into a yonko crew without their captain Top commander level.
3. Queen: best design in the crew and funny guy I love him High YC level.
4. Jack: Crazy durability he can survive a gigaton trunk direct hit without dying, he can fight neko and inu for days non stop: high YC level.
5. Batman: Smartest character in verse and deadliest with prep time.
6. XDrake: a crazy strong bastard he is at low YC level
7. Apoo: Supernova oblige he seems to be weaker than drake imo but superstrong nonetheless low YC level
8. Hawkins :bottom tier Supernova but top headliner level
9. Flying 6 and page one: Super strong I put them at Marineford luffy+
10. Horsewoman speed: at centaur Franky level
11. Elephantman:Ennies Kaku+ level
12. Holdem: at Ennies Loby Sanji level
13. Gazelleman/Scorpionman/Sheepshead are all garbage bad design level.

 

[XXGenesis]

Garp is not weak. I don't care for anyone's bias. He should have been a Admiral pre TS. He gave Marco a good old Haki punch, & stopped him from reaching the platform. His hype is enough for his character because its not false. He was an admiral lv Marine even into his old age.....But yes he's weakened because of age, as we seen with Chinjao, & WB.

Right now. In terms of post time skip power levels. I'm comparing 3 crews.

Doffy's Crew. Which i personally Like to refer to as a mock, or small Yonkou crew.

Then the power comparison, between BM & Beast Pirates. & where the SuperNovas fall inside these organizations or how they would fair against them.

Beast Pirates honestly seem to have Stronger Commanders, with all Bounties of 1B it seems. Compared to BM's former 3-4 Commanders Then we have multiple Headliners who range in Power from Supernovas like XDrake, Hawkins & presumably Appo, to Prison Wardens, Jailers, & other Smile Fruit users throughout Wano. While BM has her children the Ministers Perspero, Oven, Daifuku, Amande, Mont d or, Brulee and many other Pirates such as Tamago, & formerly home, call me, Pekoms...

So the Supernova realistically, can defeat A Yonkou's Mid lv tier fighters, but dangerous fighters with similar skill fill this rank. But they will struggle, when it comes to any level of Commander is thrown at them. Luffy had reached the commander lv, but not without assistance and Katakuri let him walk away. Yes Luffy won but there's so much context to his win; That lts hard to admit that he won, not because he surpassed Katakuri but because he won by surviving & changing his opponents nature.

 

[M3J]

How is Garp weakened or affected by his age?

 

[Takuan]

What? We know why Garp sat idle- because he was bound to duty over family. If Garp put himself first, then he'd have saved and protected Ace and Luffy. He let LUffy punch him so Luffy could save Ace and was about to fight Akainu after he put a hole in Ace's stomach.

Garp since his introduction has been established as someone who hates pirates and sees them as a great evil, hence why he became a Marine, stressed to Ace and Luffy on becoming a Marine, and lamented Ace becoming a pirate when he was on the execution stand. Personally, I like Garp because he's usually laidback and carefree. ANd his hype also comes from him being the only one to corner Roger multiple times and survive clashes, which could perhaps be because others didn't want to or were too busy to, or Garp did the best job of getting Roger.

I like Garp for his carefree attitude as well, he cracks me up everytime he bickers with Sengoku. Like when Luffy escapes he's like "Bahahahaha that's my grandson for you!".

But in Marineford i disliked him a lot. He didn't do anything to help Ace. Duty over family is good and all, but he let Ace die, regardless of excuses.
The fact that he was angry against Akainu and was ready to fight him is the most ridiculous scene in the manga. He goes like "Imma kill Akainu for what he's done!" Like what the fuck? He was willingly letting the marines execute Ace from the start, would he have tried to kill the fodders beheading Ace? That's ridiculous.
And no, he didn't let Luffy punch him so that Luffy could save Ace. Otherwise he wouldn't have stopped Marco to begin with. He let Luffy punch him because he knew Luffy wouldn't stop so he didn't want to have to hurt Luffy and possibly losing another grandson. Replace Luffy with anyone else in this situation, and Garp woulda fought and prevented Ace from being rescued.

Garp is not weak. I don't care for anyone's bias. He should have been a Admiral pre TS. He gave Marco a good old Haki punch, & stopped him from reaching the platform. His hype is enough for his character because its not false. He was an admiral lv Marine even into his old age.....But yes he's weakened because of age, as we seen with Chinjao, & WB.

I don't care for your bias. And i never said Garp wasn't strong.
But i'll only consider him god tier if he shows he's god tier. For now he's a disappoitment.

The punch he gave Marco was a cheap shot. And didn't stop Marco from continuing. Literally anyone could have stopped Marco in that situation.
How do you know he was Admiral level in his old age? We only know he was that level 20 years ago. Aside from hype from 20 years ago, nothing tells that he's still at this level. Personally i put him below, though pretty close.

How is Garp weakened or affected by his age?

How is he not? Can you tell for sure that he's as strong as he was 20 years ago?
For now he was lackluster everytime he appeared on screen. I refuse to even think that this level of old Garp is the same as Prime Garp who was said to be a rival to the Pirate King and of the same caliber/era of Whitebeard and the likes. In any case, he's still very strong, but i don't consider him god tier, that's all im saying. Just below the three PreTS Admirals in my book.

 

[M3J]

I like Garp for his carefree attitude as well, he cracks me up everytime he bickers with Sengoku. Like when Luffy escapes he's like "Bahahahaha that's my grandson for you!".

But in Marineford i disliked him a lot. He didn't do anything to help Ace. Duty over family is good and all, but he let Ace die, regardless of excuses.
The fact that he was angry against Akainu and was ready to fight him is the most ridiculous scene in the manga. He goes like "Imma kill Akainu for what he's done!" Like what the fuck? He was willingly letting the marines execute Ace from the start, would he have tried to kill the fodders beheading Ace? That's ridiculous.
And no, he didn't let Luffy punch him so that Luffy could save Ace. Otherwise he wouldn't have stopped Marco to begin with. He let Luffy punch him because he knew Luffy wouldn't stop so he didn't want to have to hurt Luffy and possibly losing another grandson. Replace Luffy with anyone else in this situation, and Garp woulda fought and prevented Ace from being rescued.

If that was true, then Garp wouldn't have thought of Ace as well before taking the punch from Luffy. He could have just as easily knocked out Luffy, which would at least reduce Luffy's chances of being killed. Garp wanted to kill Akainu because Ace was finally free, and Akainu ended the chances of that happening. We see how conflicted Garp is, from his flashbacks with Ace to him being forced to do his duty. He would have let Ace die because Ace chose to be a pirate, but Garp stood aside and let Luffy save Ace, meaning he was okay with Ace being free.

I mean, Garp did become a Marine for a reason and tried to get his grandson and adopted grandson grow up to be powerful Marines. We also see that Garp did love Ace as well.

How is he not? Can you tell for sure that he's as strong as he was 20 years ago?
For now he was lackluster everytime he appeared on screen. I refuse to even think that this level of old Garp is the same as Prime Garp who was said to be a rival to the Pirate King and of the same caliber/era of Whitebeard and the likes. In any case, he's still very strong, but i don't consider him god tier, that's all im saying. Just below the three PreTS Admirals in my book.

Lackluster, yeah, but nothing has show he's gotten weaker. When has old Garp ever really went all out or fought? He and Sengoku during the war weren't supposed to get involved unless they had no choice (Garp got yelled at for involving himself). He also got slashed by Helmeppo's dad, but he was sleeping and even then, he didn't feel the effects, if you consider cover stories canon.

My point is that it's difficult to determine how strong he really is.

 

[Kato756]

This was the point where I felt Oda wrote Luffy bad - the battle against Cracker - I mean Luffy could not do much to 1 biscuit soldier without G4. That's just pretty stupid to me for someone who was at the time trying to challenge a Yonko.

But I hope with this little training he's had in prison his armament would've gotten stronger. Even better if it was strong enough in his basic form to actually damage a biscuit soldier. Sad there's no Cracker in Wano to test it out on.

Until basic Luffy is able to duke it out one on one with Yonko Commanders, I don't see him achieving Yonko level in strength. Especially with his reliance on G4 to give him the upper hand in any given fight.

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I see that part as him trying to fool the Marines present into thinking he was actually damaged from the hit + that was a G2 punch IIRC (it hurts a lot in truth just ask Blueno if we are talking pre-TS).
Remember, Katakuri also received a non-hardened basic kick from Luffy and bled and this was a guy famed to possess superhuman strength.

I wouldn't look too much into that if I were you.




Yeah it's Anime-only but it's more or less things Oda couldn't cover in the Manga. I had recently he gives permission to the Anime producers for added events he couldn't reveal in the Manga due to plenty going on in the story.

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Rayleigh would just be a similar character to Garp - legendary - with nothing much to show for it on-screen were it not that he's written to be Luffy's Sensei.

Garp was ahead of Rayleigh when they were at their peak during their generation so it's not wrong to think even in decline he's still superior.

But what if Luffy could, instead, make G4 way more efficient, like he did with G2?

 

[Takuan]

If that was true, then Garp wouldn't have thought of Ace as well before taking the punch from Luffy. He could have just as easily knocked out Luffy, which would at least reduce Luffy's chances of being killed. Garp wanted to kill Akainu because Ace was finally free, and Akainu ended the chances of that happening. We see how conflicted Garp is, from his flashbacks with Ace to him being forced to do his duty. He would have let Ace die because Ace chose to be a pirate, but Garp stood aside and let Luffy save Ace, meaning he was okay with Ace being free.

I mean, Garp did become a Marine for a reason and tried to get his grandson and adopted grandson grow up to be powerful Marines. We also see that Garp did love Ace as well.



Lackluster, yeah, but nothing has show he's gotten weaker. When has old Garp ever really went all out or fought? He and Sengoku during the war weren't supposed to get involved unless they had no choice (Garp got yelled at for involving himself). He also got slashed by Helmeppo's dad, but he was sleeping and even then, he didn't feel the effects, if you consider cover stories canon.

My point is that it's difficult to determine how strong he really is.

I agree with a lot of things.
Garp was conflicted true, and i know he loved Ace. Still the moment he wanted to kill Akainu was and remains one of the most irritating moment in the entire series for me. Akainu did the exact thing the entire Marines were supposed to have done and the sole reason why everyone was here to begin with. With Garp being okay with it and actively helping in that end, when he stepped in to stop Marco. I understand that he was relieved when Ace was freed and was hoping he'd get to actually live, but there was no reason for him to want to kill Akainu. For having done a thing Garp himself agreed to for 90% of Marineford and before.
But yeah, goes to show how conflicted he was during Marineford.

Didn't he stated himself that he got weaker or rusty with the years?
Though i agree, his actual power level is hard to determine. Which is precisely why i disagree with people saying he's still at the very top of powerlevels. He was at the top 20 years ago, doesn't automatically mean he remained at the same spot 20 years later, especially if all he does is staying in Marine HQ eating crackers.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

But what if Luffy could, instead, make G4 way more efficient, like he did with G2?

Yeah, removing the limiter on G4 will enable him easily overcome Yonko Commanders but the problem still lies in his inability to damage Yonko in G4.
He'll still need to get more powerful, stronger armament to begin with then fortify his future sight to be on par with Katakuri's. But I don't see this (superior CoO) happening until he meets another future sight user.

That is why and this is just my thoughts of current scenario, I'm predicting once Luffy gets free from Kairoseki, the first improvement he'll get will be in his armament and overall endurance.
He did say he should bcom a little stronger but I'm interpreting a little here as a lot.

 

[M3J]

I agree with a lot of things.
Garp was conflicted true, and i know he loved Ace. Still the moment he wanted to kill Akainu was and remains one of the most irritating moment in the entire series for me. Akainu did the exact thing the entire Marines were supposed to have done and the sole reason why everyone was here to begin with. With Garp being okay with it and actively helping in that end, when he stepped in to stop Marco. I understand that he was relieved when Ace was freed and was hoping he'd get to actually live, but there was no reason for him to want to kill Akainu. For having done a thing Garp himself agreed to for 90% of Marineford and before.
But yeah, goes to show how conflicted he was during Marineford.

Didn't he stated himself that he got weaker or rusty with the years?
Though i agree, his actual power level is hard to determine. Which is precisely why i disagree with people saying he's still at the very top of powerlevels. He was at the top 20 years ago, doesn't automatically mean he remained at the same spot 20 years later, especially if all he does is staying in Marine HQ eating crackers.

Garp probably thought that since Luffy saved Ace, Ace could escape alive, but Akainu ruined that. It makes sense as Garp himself couldn't really save Ace since he's a Marine. That was his reason for wanting to kill Akainu, I guess, especially since it wasn't a clean execution, Ace died painfully. I mean, wouldn't you want to kill someone who killed someone you loved who actually finally found the meaning in his life and the will to finally live? didn't Ace tell Garp he was finally happy because he finally found people who loved him and were willing to die for him, from the Whitebeard pirates and Whitebeard himself to Luffy?

Oh I think he did, but I don't remember the context. Could be joking/bantering, but rusty could mean that he hasn't come up against any powerful enemies. BUt you do make a great point, although I'm not sure if Garp was ever at the top. IF he was, or if Roger was, why didn't either of them fight or take out an Emperor?

 

[XXGenesis]

I don't care for your bias. And i never said Garp wasn't strong.

What Bias? I stated a Fact of how strong the Manga presumes Garp to be. & The actual context the Marine Fleet Admiral had used to describe his strength.

& When did I say that you did or didn't. I Said "Anyone", I called nobody out, except anyonr eho does think hes weak....yet you still jumped out the window...Why? Calm down buddy

How do you know he was Admiral level in his old age

Sengoku, said so. As long as other credibly strong characters. & the context of the story.

We only know he was that level 20 years ago. Aside from hype from 20 years ago, nothing tells that he's still at this level. Personally i put him below, though pretty close.

He been offered the same job promotion for the last 20 years..and he was stronger then..Thats why I dont think his power has dropped below the admiral level Pre Time skip. On top of the respect he garnered & type shower around him...it wasnt empty.

Can you tell for sure that he's as strong as he was 20 years ago?

You did read where I said he's not as strong as he once eas..then gave example of other older characters who got weaker..

For now he was lackluster everytime he appeared on screen. I refuse to even think that this level of old Garp is the same as Prime Garp who was said to be a rival to the Pirate King and of the same caliber/era of Whitebeard and the likes.

Your entitled to your opinions same as everyone rlsr..

In any case, he's still very strong, but i don't consider him god tier, that's all im saying.

I agree Garp is still very strong. I don't consider him God tier either...I don't know which tier that is in One Piece.

 

[M3J]

Kaidou or Akainu are probably the closest to God tier, latter based on what Oda said.

 

[Takuan]

What Bias? I stated a Fact of how strong the Manga presumes Garp to be. & The actual context the Marine Fleet Admiral had used to describe his strength.

& When did I say that you did or didn't. I Said "Anyone", I called nobody out, except anyonr eho does think hes weak....yet you still jumped out the window...Why? Calm down buddy

I'm actually pretty calm and didn't mean to sound rude or anything. Sorry if i sounded agressive, that was really not what i wanted.
I quoted you because i thought i'd be part of the "anyone" you speak ok; but i didnt mean to make it personal xD

Sengoku, said so. As long as other credibly strong characters. & the context of the story.

Sengoku said that Garp, the current Garp (or pre-timeskip whatever) is as strong as Admirals like Aokiji Akainu and Kizaru?
Can you provide a panel of that? And i don't mean a panel where it is said Garp is really strong, i want an actual statement about him being Admiral level in his old state.

He been offered the same job promotion for the last 20 years..and he was stronger then..Thats why I dont think his power has dropped below the admiral level Pre Time skip. On top of the respect he garnered & type shower around him...it wasnt empty.

For the last 20 years??? Are you making that up?
We only know that he was offered the position several times, and turned the offer down everytime. Never was it said the position was offered to him continuously for 20 years.
The respect around him is well deserved due to how much of a beats he was, but that tells nothing in terms of how strong he remains. Obviously he's still very strong but to what extent, nothing tells us, respect tells nothing. Give him another 20 years and so old that he's unable to fight, and people would still call him a living legend for what he's done in the past.

You did read where I said he's not as strong as he once eas..then gave example of other older characters who got weaker..

And i agree with this entirely. When i asked that question i was not quoting you, but M3J.

Your entitled to your opinions same as everyone rlsr..

I agree Garp is still very strong. I don't consider him God tier either...I don't know which tier that is in One Piece.

We're on the same page then xD
Again, this quote was directed to M3J.

 

[nik87]

How strong do you guys see Franky and Chopper post-Wano and at the end of OP?
Chopper is a Zoan and has a power Monster point form but it's not really suitable against a faster combatant, he needs something similar to Zoan hybrid form.
I liked Franky's old design before TS, it looked like he would go more into hand to hand combat but post-TS design kinda has gone the other way. I hope his best combat mode is not Franky Shogun but his real body with some modifications.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Chopper is a Zoan and has a power Monster point form but it's not really suitable against a faster combatant, he needs something similar to Zoan hybrid form.

You do realize Chopper is the most adaptable and has multiple forms he didnt showed us yet.

 

[nik87]

You do realize Chopper is the most adaptable and has multiple forms he didnt showed us yet.

I know but nothing we saw so far has been really really impressive, something that would allow him to fight a commander of Blackbeard pirates for example or Vice Admiral from Marines or someone of that tier.