One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
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7. Law having CoC currently.
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[afromarco005]

That's something I am not very fond of characters not using a secret transformation they had all along when they are clearly in a "desperate situation" and then show it the next arc leaving us wondering why did they not use it earlier.

Thats something that I hated in Bleach and its the same here, if Chopper has other stronger transformations why did he not use them during whole cake? He could have helped at several points but barely did anything useful...

Anyways I dont expect much from chopper at all, imo we have seen most of his new arsenal in fisherman island. Some transfos we probably wont see ever again. Power level wise I think that by the end of wano he will be perhaps fighting headliners/Smiles like gazelleman and co or just be fighting tons of fodder like always.

Franky on the other hand will improve a lot during this arc, he will be able to incorporate seastone in his body and weapons and if Vegapunk is coming to wano and is an ally, then everything is possible for the cyborg. I see him taking on one of the flying 6 by the end of the arc.

Brooke too will be fighting a lot I hope he needs to train for his next encounter with big mom and homies next arc where he will be the MVP once again.

 

[SupremeMod]

How disappointed are we going to be if Luffy is able to dominate Queen in their upcoming fight?

 

[Pirate Queen]

How disappointed are we going to be if Luffy is able to dominate Queen in their upcoming fight?

No complaints from me. At this stage Luffy should be able to deal with Commander's mid/high diff

 

[SupremeMod]

No complaints from me. At this stage Luffy should be able to deal with Commander's mid/high diff

Someone with a higher bounty than Katakuri? Ehh. Gonna be hard to accept.

Oda is a genius. Don't think he'll do that, but we'll see.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Someone with a higher bounty than Katakuri? Ehh. Gonna be hard to accept.

Oda is a genius. Don't think he'll do that, but we'll see.

Higher bounty than Katakuri, but far lower than Luffy's. 300 mil+ lower actually ( not sure his exact bounty to be honest)

I'm not convinced Luffy would have a have a massively hard time with a Commander that doesn't have future sight or something equally toublesome.

Luffy only performed as badly as he did against Katakuri because he couldn't touch the guy. I also don't think Queen is stronger than Katakuri.

I dont think Luffy is gunna stomp the guy, but if Luffy looks the slightest bit impressive I'd be okay with it.

At the same time, if Queen just put in work and waxes the floor with Luffy I'd be just as happy. Kaido's crew has been a joke so far, it's about time someone did something eye opening.

Edit: I guess waxing the floor with a weakened Luffy isnt impressive either, but oh well lol

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Has Luffy ever lost to someone with a bounty lower than his that wasnt a gag or for comedy sake?

Serious question, I cant remember

Enel didnt have a bounty and if he did it would have been 500 Mil (databook) so higher than Luffy's

Crocodile/Moriah/Doflamingo had frozen bounties

Mallegan/Lucci didnt have bounties

Cracker/Katakuri had higher bounties

I just cant remember any more

 

[Fox666]

Luffy lost to Ceaser Clown the first time.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Luffy lost to Ceaser Clown the first time.

No, yeah, and that hypno girl beat Luffy. I know Luffy gets trolled hahaha

I'm talking about serious fights where there are high stakes.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

No, yeah, and that hypno girl beat Luffy. I know Luffy gets trolled hahaha

I'm talking about serious fights where there are high stakes.

 

[Pirate Queen]

His bounty was frozen, his real bounty is unknown

 

[Fox666]

Luffy didn't get "trolled" by Ceasar. He was a dangerous enemy, and Luffy lowered his guard.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

So Enel doesnt count, because he hadnt a bounty and Kuma didnt count because it was frozen? How about Doffy? his was also frozen? Croco, Moria were also frozen... which Pirates did we encounter with active bounties so that we can satisfy you?

No offense but Luffys bounty is a joke too. At the time he had 300 Mill, he should have atleast 400, thanks to devastating Moria and downplaying most of his achievements, so trying to make a point with bountys were half of his enemies had none or frozen and his was downplayed doesnt work.

 

[Pirate Queen]

So Enel doesnt count, because he hadnt a bounty and Kuma didnt count because it was frozen? How about Doffy? his was also frozen? Croco, Moria were also frozen... which Pirates did we encounter with active bounties so that we can satisfy you?

No offense but Luffys bounty is a joke too. At the time he had 300 Mill, he should have atleast 400, thanks to devastating Moria and downplaying most of his achievements, so trying to make a point with bountys were half of his enemies had none or frozen and his was downplayed doesnt work.

Did I offend you in some way? I was just asking if a lower bounty ever beat Luffy before because if Queen beats Luffy it would be the 1st time.

I haven't read One Piece from the beginning in a long time.

I already mentioned those frozen bounties in my previous post by the way when I was numbering off Luffy's fights. I mentioned Enel as well.

I agree with what you said about Luffy's bounty should have been higher.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Oh no. You didnt offend me at all, as a german i just like to come to the point as straight as possible.

 

[hokageji]

I think Queen is gonna be a challenge and Luffy would lose once before he wins again. We fought a paramecia, a logia (special para) but this time its different because its a zoan.
Luffy's only drawback as of now is control over Haki. If Queen's armament haki is even as good as Katakuri, then Luffy is already in trouble. Luffy uses all his haki is cannot combat for 6 mins, while Queen can very easily be ready to fight again. If Queen can use awakening which i believe he should be able to, that recovery time will be even higher, plus a beastier mode.

Luffy will overcome Queen, cos thats how he will be setup to fight Kaido. But it wont be any cakewalk.

 

[M3J]

How disappointed are we going to be if Luffy is able to dominate Queen in their upcoming fight?

Would be disappointing if Queen's similar to Katakuri or has one hell of a defense, and especially if Luffy's still shackled.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Going with Obelixtheme... he probably is stupid powerful strengthwise.

 

[King Moe]

Would be disappointing if Queen's similar to Katakuri or has one hell of a defense, and especially if Luffy's still shackled.

Doubt she is going down as that would wreck their festival plans. Luffy and others are going to escape rather than a full blown fight there since don't see it happening especially Luffy needs to recover after his sea stone effect as he won't be in a good condition to fight out.

They all will have their big battles at festival as it be less tension and serious if many top tiers aren't around for it in the final fight.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Doubt she is going down as that would wreck their festival plans. Luffy and others are going to escape rather than a full blown fight there since don't see it happening especially Luffy needs to recover after his sea stone effect as he won't be in a good condition to fight out.

They all will have their big battles at festival as it be less tension and serious if many top tiers aren't around for it in the final fight.

Why are you still addressing him in a feminine manner? It's been unambiguously addressed that Queen is a man.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Doubt she is going down as that would wreck their festival plans. Luffy and others are going to escape rather than a full blown fight there since don't see it happening especially Luffy needs to recover after his sea stone effect as he won't be in a good condition to fight out.

They all will have their big battles at festival as it be less tension and serious if many top tiers aren't around for it in the final fight.

It would wreck their plans if they took out a Yonko Commander before the final battle? Really? Lol

Luffy has over a week to recover...

It would accomplish the same thing that Sanji defeating P1 accomplished... dwindling Kaido's numbers. Defeating Queen would be a major hit to Kaido

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Why are you still addressing him in a feminine manner? It's been unambiguously addressed that Queen is a man.

I'm still not convinced he's not a Okama lol. I still use "she" as well

 

[Pirate Queen]

It wrecks Moe's plan of Sanji taking on Queen.

I figured that, but I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Sanji vs Jack can still happen