One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[XXGenesis]

Gear 2 allows Luffy to use Soru and use Gomu Gomu attacks with an explosive acceleration. But there have been plenty of opponents who have been able to match or overcome it, like Chinjao, Doflamingo, Cracker or Katakuri. It doesn't make him so special in the New World.

Luffy currently isnt a little stronger than Zoro or Sanji. He's a lot stronger. If They were to fight Luffy in G2 post Doffy & BM arc. He'll obliterate them once he goes G4.

In a G2 with his FS & new of. They can't suffice.

If at me, I'm talking about Luffy and Zoro, not Luffy and others. He's definitely not that impressive against Katakuri, and although he was able to outspeed Doflamingo many times, he apparently lacked power behind the attacks.

Huh? Luffy dodging Katakuri wasnt impressive?? That was the while reason why Katakuri used awakened and crushed Luffy with mochi. Luffy was annoyingly dodging his heaviest attacks.

Luffy is rubber, he has the best evasive skills especially with his CoO. Soon hell just wiggle out the way.

I love the mobster trio they are our MC that fight the most. Reason I talk abiut them so much is to see how others rank their skills in comparison to each other. Major controversy at least im I is that Luffy has shown his full power 3 times already and has gotten his boost throughout those fights. While Sanji & Zoro haven't been given the opportunity to buss a sweat. & Sanji's performance lacks luster compared to his rival, who hasn't struggled but recently lowered his guard and got injured but still defeated someone more worthy

Problem is, Sanji & Zoro need a fight and a power up. I'm sure they can take out other SN, with its SN being a captain is a kool feat and such s fight would be high diff no doubt. Still the Commanders are lurking, and Luffy needs help

 

[Brandish μ]

Their fight needed to be concluded quick since it was done mostly to show the gap in power level and Kaido's superiority.

I still wholeheartedly believe the spikes on Kaido's club are seastone.

I do agree with your post.

 

[Pirate Queen]

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Still not home @nik87 but here is your panels requested.

In the panel Luffy dodges mid air and in the second he his moving TOWARDS Enel, so factor in velocity.

He only deflected because Nami was with him. When he is alone he doesnt have to because of his resistances.

As for Zoro, the point needs to be stressed that Kuma wasn't trying to kill him. You could argue that Kuma intentionally fired off target so that Zoro could dodge it better. Afterall, Kuma didnt want to kill them. When Kizaru, whose powers were adapted into said lasers, shot directly at a half dead Zoro... The results were far different. But Kizaru "cheap shotted" Zoro so that doesnt count for you.

 

[nik87]

Deflecting is a solid feat, the other thing isn't a lightning attack, it's a golden spear.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Deflecting is a solid feat, the other thing isn't a lightning attack, it's a golden spear.

Enel was in lightening form. Enel was the embodiment of lightening. Still moving at the same speed of lightening

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 9, 2019, Original Post Date: Jun 9, 2019 ---

Enel was in lightening form. Enel was the embodiment of lightening. Still moving at the same speed of lightening

I didnt want you thinking I had forgotten. Sorry for the late reply tho.

 

[nik87]

As for Zoro, the point needs to be stressed that Kuma wasn't trying to kill him. You could argue that Kuma intentionally fired off target so that Zoro could dodge it better. Afterall, Kuma didnt want to kill them. When Kizaru, whose powers were adapted into said lasers, shot directly at a half dead Zoro... The results were far different. But Kizaru "cheap shotted" Zoro so that doesnt count for you.

Sounds to me like Zoro downplaying.
When he shot so many air pad canons did he miss those on purpose too or he knew how much off to shoot them knowing where Zoro wont evade, etc?

When Kizaru, whose powers were adapted into said lasers, shot directly at a half dead Zoro... The results were far different. But Kizaru "cheap shotted" Zoro so that doesnt count for you.

None of them even saw Kizaru before Zoro was shot, not even Sentomaru who was far ahead of all Strawhats present back then... He was unaware of being attacked by Kizaru, that's the point of a cheap shot...

 

[Pirate Queen]

Sounds to me like Zoro downplaying.
When he shot so many air pad canons did he miss those on purpose too or he knew how much off to shoot them knowing where Zoro wont evade, etc?


None of them even saw Kizaru before Zoro was shot, not even Sentomaru who was far ahead of all Strawhats present back then... He was unaware of being attacked by Kizaru, that's the point of a cheap shot...

Its downplaying to say Zoro can't evade at lightspeed ?

We already know Zoro is fast. That was never the debate. The debate was HOW fast. Kuma never intended to kill Zoro or he would have.

It is literally manga fact that Kuma never wanted to kill the strawhats.

You will never see me argue that Zoro is slow, and if that's what you think I am arguing than you have missed a majority of my counter arguments towards you.


As to your second point, it was cheap shot because they didnt know KiZaru has laser attacks??? Wtf? Lol Zoro had never seen Kuma use lasers and he still managed to dodge. Your only using this "cheap shot" excuse when it benefits your arguement.
And if your saying that Zoro had no idea he was getting attacked by a laser than you just answered your question about whether can evade light speed attack in a half dead state.

 

[nik87]

Its downplaying to say Zoro can't evade at lightspeed ?

We already know Zoro is fast. That was never the debate. The debate was HOW fast. Kuma never intended to kill Zoro or he would have.

It is literally manga fact that Kuma never wanted to kill the strawhats.

You will never see me argue that Zoro is slow, and if that's what you think I am arguing than you have missed a majority of my counter arguments towards you.

We know that Kuma didnt want to kill Strawhats on Sabaody but nothing shows that on TB, he was trying to hit Zoro and only showed mercy and respect towards Zoro after he offered his head instead of Luffy's. He fired off multiple air cannons and he didnt know if Zoro would be able to dodge the laser shot and he teleported and shot air cannon from above on Zoro also not knowing if he will be able to dodge it or not as well as the first air cannon that he shot towards Zoro that grazed him...
Downplay is because he did dodge laser shot whether that shot is at light speed or not, it certainly looks like the fastest thing in OP universe.

As to your second point, it was cheap shot because they didnt know KiZaru has laser attacks??? Wtf? Lol Zoro had never seen Kuma use lasers and he still managed to dodge. Your only using this "cheap shot" excuse when it benefits your arguement.
And if your saying that Zoro had no idea he was getting attacked by a laser than you just answered your question about whether can evade light speed attack in a half dead state.

Cheap shot is not because of what you wrote, never said that. Cheap shot is because none of them had any idea of Kizaru being even on Sabaody, not to mention being attacked by him... Only after Zoro was shot by Kizaru they learned of Kizaru being there.
If he saw Kizaru charging his laser like he saw Kuma do it, perhaps he would have dodged it too, that's the point of cheap shot and it's not only benefitting my arguments, I acknowledge cheap shots everywhere.

 

[Pirate Queen]

We know that Kuma didnt want to kill Strawhats on Sabaody but nothing shows that on TB, he was trying to hit Zoro and only showed mercy and respect towards Zoro after he offered his head instead of Luffy's. He fired off multiple air cannons and he didnt know if Zoro would be able to dodge the laser shot and he teleported and shot air cannon from above on Zoro also not knowing if he will be able to dodge it or not as well as the first air cannon that he shot towards Zoro that grazed him...
Downplay is because he did dodge laser shot whether that shot is at light speed or not, it certainly looks like the fastest thing in OP universe.


Cheap shot is not because of what you wrote, never said that. Cheap shot is because none of them had any idea of Kizaru being even on Sabaody, not to mention being attacked by him... Only after Zoro was shot by Kizaru they learned of Kizaru being there.
If he saw Kizaru charging his laser like he saw Kuma do it, perhaps he would have dodged it too, that's the point of cheap shot and it's not only benefitting my arguments, I acknowledge cheap shots everywhere.

Kuma was never going to kill the strawhats because of his relationship to Dragon and Luffy being his son.

Come on, now your just reaching.

Now your just blindly ignoring facts. Your arguement continues to fall apart.

 

[nik87]

Kuma was never going to kill the strawhats because of his relationship to Dragon and Luffy being his son.

Come on, now your just reaching.

Now your just blindly ignoring facts. Your arguement continues to fall apart.

I think you underestimate Thriller Bark scene. How did he know that Ursus Shock, something that devastated uber-giant Oars Junior, wouldnt kill them? At least those with fragile bodies like Usopp and Nami? How did he know that almost dead Zoro would survive entire pain and suffering from Luffy? He even said Zoro would die...
I dont see any reaching there...

 

[M3J]

Yea, I'm wondering how often he uses it in a serious bout. He didn't seem to against Kaido(?).

'Seeing the future' or whatever is something that'd be hyped up big for a villain, but in the hands of the MC it's a different story.

I don't think he'll use it much, it just doesn't seem Luffy to use Future Sight a lot unless lives are on the line. Same person that didn't want to know if One PIece was real or not.

I wonder if it's foreshadowing he'll fight Kizaru at one point, as Kizaru's fast as fuck.

 

[Fox666]

Yea, I'm wondering how often he uses it in a serious bout. He didn't seem to against Kaido(?).

'Seeing the future' or whatever is something that'd be hyped up big for a villain, but in the hands of the MC it's a different story.

It seems that ability has evolved in something Luffy can use naturally with his CoO, since he casually used it to assist Hyogoro against Alpacaman.

He didn't used it against Kaido because he was out of his mind, which we learned from Katakuri prevents you from using CoO effectively.

 

[Luke Beifong]

Guys, I was thinking. After Luffy beats Kaido (and Big Mom? Who knows, I doubt nothing) in this arc, who you think he will fight first? Akainu and the Marines or the BlackBeard Pirates? And how you think will be the fights? Luffy will beat them alone or with help from others (like Law or Kidd)? Because you know, Oda said One Piece is 80% done last year and I still don’t look to Luffy and see a Yonko (or a YC) level strength in him. Zoro and Sanji too, they look very far away to the strength Katakuri and Smoothie or King and Queen have.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Guys, I was thinking. After Luffy beats Kaido (and Big Mom? Who knows, I doubt nothing) in this arc, who you think he will fight first? Akainu and the Marines or the BlackBeard Pirates? And how you think will be the fights? Luffy will beat them alone or with help from others (like Law or Kidd)? Because you know, Oda said One Piece is 80% done last year and I still don’t look to Luffy and see a Yonko (or a YC) level strength in him. Zoro and Sanji too, they look very far away to the strength Katakuri and Smoothie or King and Queen have.

Then you haven't been reading the same One Piece as we have.
Luffy has defeated YCs and he's the closest thing to becoming a Yonko among NW pirates (forget the newspapers).
If you don't see a YC level strength in him at this stage then I can't help you. Don't bother asking Oda either...

Kaido will be the only Yonko who Luffy might have to gang up on in order to defeat. Any other main villain after Wano will be strictly one on one.
Another obvious thing is that with all the bad news Kaido brings. Luffy will have him to thank greatly for the overwhelming ability he'll garner post Wano - hence, the making of a Yonko.
Also, I don't see Luffy fighting Big Mom this arc. Kaido is enough work and last I heard she's at the same level as Kaido Sama.
If there's anything called impossible. It'll be that - defeating 2 of the 4 Yonko in one arc.
Remember, this is a woman even Roger thought it'd be better sneaking in to steal a poneglyph rather than facing her head on and that's the freaking Pirate King!
Even Kaido himself is thrown in a panic on the thought of having her ship sail over Wano's borders.

As long as Luffy is far from the strength of a Yonko, his main combatants (Zoro and Sanji) will remain very inferior to the strength of Yonko commanders.

 

[XXGenesis]

I e been having the idea lately. That all of the Yonkou probably specialize in something, as to why they practically stalemate each other.

My hypothesis is that Kaidou has the strongest Def. Yes BM is a tank but she blocked G4 with Haki while Kaidou tanked s bestdown regular.

WB from the hyperbole of his power & DF. Was the strongest offensively. A DF thst can destroy the world

BM I haven't nailed down all the way but I would have to say she may have the most versatile skill & ability amongst the bunch.
The power to animate anything & everything.

Shanks, doesn't seem to be a fruit user. So im going with the best haki.

Bored one piece thoughts

 

[Fox666]

Guys, I was thinking. After Luffy beats Kaido (and Big Mom? Who knows, I doubt nothing) in this arc, who you think he will fight first? Akainu and the Marines or the BlackBeard Pirates? And how you think will be the fights? Luffy will beat them alone or with help from others (like Law or Kidd)? Because you know, Oda said One Piece is 80% done last year and I still don’t look to Luffy and see a Yonko (or a YC) level strength in him. Zoro and Sanji too, they look very far away to the strength Katakuri and Smoothie or King and Queen have.

We won't be getting another arc with Big Mom as the villain. She will serve another purpose in the story.

Since this is the "vs Yonko" saga, the next one on the line is Blackbeard. Luffy would go from ganging up to fight Kaido to go 1-vs-1 on Blackbeard.

 

[LaGOAT]

Luffy at the end of this arc will be admiral lvl I don’t see him at yonko lvl yet until he fights another yonko 1v1

 

[Pirate Queen]

That would make the story 10 times better tho, this is what made the old op so great, it had little moments like this.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 25, 2019, Original Post Date: Jun 25, 2019 ---

But are we all gonna forget about weevil ? Kizaru himself said he has the power of prime whitebeard, think about that for a sec. I wonder how he's gonna fit into all this.

Weevil will be used to show Luffy has the strength of Prime WB.

And if not, he's gunna be a hype tool for someone.

And some will all argue that Weevil DOESN'T have the strength of Prime WB to downplay the feat of his defeat and that Kizaru is a liar.... I can already see the discussions now.

This forum is predictable lol

 

[nik87]

And some will all argue that Weevil DOESN'T have the strength of Prime WB to downplay the feat of his defeat and that Kizaru is a liar.... I can already see the discussions now.

Well, when you think about it, he actually doesnt. A lot of Whitebeards power came from DF which Weevil doesnt have.

 

[catagon87]

Well, when you think about it, he actually doesnt. A lot of Whitebeards power came from DF which Weevil doesnt have.

Makes me wonder what Weevil's DF is, and why such a strong individual is so freaking stupid. I still wonder if Bakkin has some kinda fruit to stupify people. His level of intelligence is some serious low-functioning autism level stuff. Has One Piece had many people who were exceedingly powerful but low intellect? He literally had to ask if a picture of Whitebeard was a mirror or a photograph. The character is basically a nod to the Majin Buu / Babidi dynamic. That alone makes me wonder if he will be an ally of Luffy eventually instead of an enemy. I could see Luffy's goofy self somehow saying something without thinking, about Bakkin, and completely unraveling whatever lies she's fed Weevil.

If Weevil is prime-Whitebeard level and manages to come to Wano, things would get very interesting. So far I kinda believe the fact that he's prime WB level. He's been showing up to question Whitebeard's old allies / crew, and doing so alone, and able to defeat whole crews while remaining unscathed. That's not anything someone short of a Yonko could do. Maybe Kaido / BM / Akainu could pull it off.