One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[afromarco005]

If I have time, sure thing. I get to it when I can, but Idk why you guys are that interested on seeing as just was stating my opinion is all.

Still waiting for that tier list and still waiting for the polls, looking forward to it!

Katakuri >King imo. It's implied that King and Queen are on the same general level whereas imo there is a significant gap between Smoothie and Kata.

Smoothie> Queen imo even if we don't have much info on either of these guy but Smoothie's juice fruit could help her extract Queen's viruses from her body so I see her winning this (Also Oda said that she was super strong)

Jack is like the opposite of Crackers, he has crazy endurance and stamina but less strenght/haki. So I think that same as Luffy Vs Cracker, Jack will win in the end.

 

[nik87]

Still waiting for that tier list and still waiting for the polls, looking forward to it!

Poles are long forgotten and never were coming and judging by that, tier list isnt either.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Poles are long forgotten and never were coming and judging by that, tier list isnt either.

As a german: Poles are never forgotten.

 

[afromarco005]

Poles are long forgotten and never were coming and judging by that, tier list isnt either.

Stop, yall should believe Moe he is a man of his words and he has connections in the fandom!

Seriously we are all dying to see the tier list @King Moe (and maybe the polls ) its going to be wild!

 

[King Moe]

Until Katakuri can hit hard as Big Mom or defense like her, going to put him lower to Queen and King. Jack is more or less his match, but also heavy tank too, so again while future sight help Katakuri, Idk if he can hold out more in attack and defense with Calamities.

Need to see more of Smoothie in a fight to judge her and Cracker while got his Biscuit soldiers, if he takes a heavy hit, he down like Luffy shown. Don't see him lasting long as much compare to his older siblings.

Do tier list when I want, not because you guys tell me. I like to plan things before work them through in posting. Since there is a lot of fighters in OP, got to rank them accordingly and by performance too.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Why is everyone begging for Moe's their list?

It's literally going to be

SSS Tier: Sanji
F Tier: The rest
F- Tier: Zoro

There ya go, problem solved

 

[King Moe]

Why is everyone begging for Moe's their list?

It's literally going to be

SSS Tier: Sanji
F Tier: The rest
F- Tier: Zoro

There ya go, problem solved

I have to laugh on that one lol XD. Don't worried, not heavily biased like them, Sanji and Zoro will be logical positions judging by recent performance.

 

[albertwv]

Among Kaido and Big Mom's commanders, for some reason I put Kaido's commanders above. Maybe because they have higher bounties, although I am aware that bounties do not usually represent power ranking, but still. I think Cracker is the weakest, I have no idea where to place Smoothie, maybe in between Cracker and Jack. Queen vs. Dogtooth? Well we've seen Queen tank 2 hits from Big Mom and pass out but quickly come back, that shows alot. Kaido took out G4 Luffy (equal to Dogtooth) in one hit. So I think Queen can be equal or slightly stronger than Dogtooth. Although, truth be told, I see Queen struggling agaisnt Dogtooth's Future CoA, but we have yet to see how truly strong Queen is.
King, I will say is the strongest, just given the fact that in playing cards King>Queen>Jack. I am just assuming on that part. I have seen threads regarding Dogtooth vs. Kizaru or any other admiral. I think Kizaru would wreck Dogtooth big time. Because if you say, Dogtooth > Kizaru, then you are implying Luffy can fight Kizaru equally, which to me seems a little premature yet. I think Dogtooth may have a chance agaisnt Fujitora but not Kizaru.

Aside from this discussion, I want to ask, how strong are Pre TS CP9 Lucci and the rest vs. New World Pirates (Fishmen, Donquixote Pirates, Yonkou pirates).

 

[Shasha23]

Well we've seen Queen tank 2 hits from Big Mom and pass out but quickly come back, that shows alot. Kaido took out G4 Luffy (equal to Dogtooth) in one hit. So I think Queen can be equal or slightly stronger than Dogtooth. Although, truth be told, I see Queen struggling agaisnt Dogtooth's Future CoA, but we have yet to see how truly strong Queen is.

Kaido used Haki on Luffy while Linlin ddnt use COA when taking out Queen, that is why there was such a difference if Mama used her full power in that 1 punch Queen would have been KO'd.

 

[M3J]

Didn't Big Mom take out Queen by spinning him around?

 

[King Moe]

Didn't Big Mom take out Queen by spinning him around?

Yet the man got back up and still conscious. His durability is really great along with his strength on being first so far that hurt Big Mom and her 'natural' defense she has since she got her memories back.

 

[Shasha23]

Yet the man got back up and still conscious. His durability is really great along with his strength on being first so far that hurt Big Mom and her 'natural' defense she has since she got her memories back.

All zoan are durable, we have seen them countless times get back up from devastating attacks.
He didn't hurt her and even if he did, he is not the first person!

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Yet the man got back up and still conscious. His durability is really great along with his strength on being first so far that hurt Big Mom and her 'natural' defense she has since she got her memories back.

And that's a better feat than Mama directly punching Luffy and Hyou (who survived even with old age and all).
I do not recall Queen taking a direct punch and here you are running praise all over him.

Bege's showed better Endurance and he's no Zoan.

And as far as hit to the head is concerned. Durability boy Kaido took a hit to his dragon head from a common Gear 3 punch and felt it.

Fanboy all you want but Queen's been subpar for a YC.

 

[King Moe]

And that's a better feat than Mama directly punching Luffy and Hyou (who survived even with old age and all).
I do not recall Queen taking a direct punch and here you are running praise all over him.

Bege's showed better Endurance and he's no Zoan.

Who used Haki needing to defend themselves while looking at Queen, didn't use Haki at all when he took those hits? Gotta pay attention to what you read man especially Luffy was trying to deflect Big Mom's attack as he try to prep himself while Queen didn't need that and tank it naturally. Showing he has more natural durability compare to Luffy and Hyou who needed Haki to protect themselves.

Lol Bege was in his most durable form while Queen was using regular Zoan form. Not even his full power compare to Bege. What you even reading and comparing? Also again, we talking about YCs of both crews versus each other, not Yonko themselves.

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All zoan are durable, we have seen them countless times get back up from devastating attacks.
He didn't hurt her and even if he did, he is not the first person!

Though it's by an Yonko who is enraged and Queen didn't even use Haki to tank them. Not really all Zoans as there been Zoans who been defeated easily in the past or didn't get back up again after being defeated.

He did if it bogs her memory. Big Mom even stated it hurt her. This is first someone did damage her on-screen. Who done that since her debut? I am also talking in a fight with her. Just saying what is true in the canon.

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And as far as hit to the head is concerned. Durability boy Kaido took a hit to his dragon head from a common Gear 3 punch and felt it.

Fanboy all you want but Queen's been subpar for a YC.

Dude??? Kaido was drunk. Are you serious saying Luffy hurt him especially afterwards G4 did nothing to Kaido in his normal form and former got one-shotted? Listen, I get opinions especially if you disagree, but right now your just plain ignoring what happen in manga. Gotta reread if you actually think Luffy hurt Kaido there. Cause it shown and stated he didn't do damage at all. Why you think he is training so hard to advance his COA? To succeed that purpose.

Surviving and capturing an Yonko as well being first to damage one? Right...It's clear your not reading same series if your saying Queen is 'subpar' seems like your entering headcannon of yours to not accept what's going on so far in canon. Cause right now Queen is taking away an Yonko for captured to Kaido and subdue (for now) that no one on-screen couldn't do like that. Underestimating Queen and Calamities along certain Beast Pirates is not wise man. There are more competent than they look. I am just saying so far reading the chapters so far.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Dude??? Kaido was drunk. Are you serious saying Luffy hurt him especially afterwards G4 did nothing to Kaido in his normal form and former got one-shotted?

It seems when you read you tend to forget things quite often.

As I'm one who loves providing proof and not just basing things on head cannon, here, munch at it:

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Do you see the eyes of both Yonko when they took direct hit to the head?
Go ahead, talk yourself out of this one.

Surviving and capturing an Yonko as well being first to damage one?

From readers perspective not from the One Piece world. Lots have happened in the past 20 years of One Piece time that haven't been fed to the readers. We only know what we've seen on panel. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened before.

Kaido was said to have been captured multiple times. He's what? A Shichibukai?

Given we have no info on who's responsible each time he was captured doesn't change the fact that it could be anyone.

Queen cowardly attacked a Yonko who's out chasing PK material and he's praised for it. When one on one with said Yonko he's almost shitting his pants.

I'll go with you just this once.
ALL PRAISE QUEEN, THE FREEBIE HITTER.
At least he can take pride in the fact that he followed in the footsteps of another coward (Blackbeard) in landing free hit on a Yonko.

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Gotta pay attention to what you read man especially Luffy was trying to deflect Big Mom's attack as he try to prep himself while Queen didn't need that and tank it naturally. Showing he has more natural durability compare to Luffy and Hyou who needed Haki to protect themselves.

Will you stop with the BS?
Was Queen punched by Big Mom?
Was he damaged even though he wasn't punched?
Is a throw stronger than a punch especially when Big Mom is involved?

 

[XXGenesis]

And that's a better feat than Mama directly punching Luffy and Hyou (who survived even with old age and all).
I do not recall Queen taking a direct punch and here you are running praise all over him.

Bege's showed better Endurance and he's no Zoan.

And as far as hit to the head is concerned. Durability boy Kaido took a hit to his dragon head from a common Gear 3 punch and felt it.

Fanboy all you want but Queen's been subpar for a YC.

BM 1sr hit she jumped up and punched him to the ground. Closed fist..then swung him around...

either way, I'm going with BM being K.O with her current condition of head trauma. but does see. to be a harder hit than Luffy gave Kaidou

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

BM 1sr hit she jumped up and punched him to the ground. Closed fist..then swung him around...

Nope. She never punched Queen.
Go check chapter 945 again.
She grabbed his head and put him to the floor.

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either way, I'm going with BM being K.O with her current condition of head trauma.

Big Mom wasn't knocked out. She fell asleep. Hence a sleep bubble.
Has there ever being a sleep bubble in the case of a knock out in One Piece?

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[Shasha23]

Though it's by an Yonko who is enraged and Queen didn't even use Haki to tank them. Not really all Zoans as there been Zoans who been defeated easily in the past or didn't get back up again after being defeated.

Doesn't matter how she was feeling the point is she didnt use her full power!
Show me one example of a zoan who didnt show inhuman level of durability, because so far all zoan users in the story have been extremely durable or did you miss that while looking at the panels and forgetting to read the texts?

He did if it bogs her memory. Big Mom even stated it hurt her. This is first someone did damage her on-screen. Who done that since her debut? I am also talking in a fight with her. Just saying what is true in the canon.

Linlin never said it hurt, because you never read and only look at pictures you missed all the times she cried out in pain back in Whole Cake Island when she got attacked by Nami.

 

[King Moe]

It seems when you read you tend to forget things quite often.

As I'm one who loves providing proof and not just basing things on head cannon, here, munch at it:

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Do you see the eyes of both Yonko when they took direct hit to the head?
Go ahead, talk yourself out of this one.


From readers perspective not from the One Piece world. Lots have happened in the past 20 years of One Piece time that haven't been fed to the readers. We only know what we've seen on panel. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened before.

Kaido was said to have been captured multiple times. He's what? A Shichibukai?

Given we have no info on who's responsible each time he was captured doesn't change the fact that it could be anyone.

Queen cowardly attacked a Yonko who's out chasing PK material and he's praised for it. When one on one with said Yonko he's almost shitting his pants.

I'll go with you just this once.
ALL PRAISE QUEEN, THE FREEBIE HITTER.
At least he can take pride in the fact that he followed in the footsteps of another coward (Blackbeard) in landing free hit on a Yonko.

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Will you stop with the BS?
Was Queen punched by Big Mom?
Was he damaged even though he wasn't punched?
Is a throw stronger than a punch especially when Big Mom is involved?

You do realize in the same chapters, Big Mom openly stated why it 'her head hurts' unlike Kaido who was stated to be Drunk and do random these as he get mood swings when he is like that. It's both in context than just looking at appearance which you always failed to look at as you think pictures mean the same thing when they don't if you take the time to look and study translation. Big Mom got her memory back after Queen damage her, that's a fact and he is the only one on-screen to show this. Never said this the first time Yonkos ever fight and they been damage before, but it is first time especially in their powerful states right now that one been damage like this and that's with Queen hurting Big Mom enough with getting her memories.

Kaido fall down as he wants too, not because Luffy push him back so far that he felt pain and anguish. Again what's the purpose of Luffy trying to learn COA Advancement if he hurt Kaido early? Your making zero sense here on saying both are same here when they aren't. Kaido was drunk and easily one-shot him with no problem. Big Mom attack Queen while angry and Queen stays not only conscious, but strong enough to get back on his feet and then attack her again to lead damaging and getting her memory back.

Again you seem to misunderstand where me and Genesis are saying about situation. We both know in an full fight, Queen would be defeated by Big Mom, not saying he is at Yonko lvl, but for him to be able to tank her attacks and damage her enough she actually stated it 'hurt her head' while giving her memories back is still a feat regardless of him being scared. The situation help lead to her falling asleep and him capturing her in the end. So yeah, he has feats and credibility and we haven't even seen his full power yet. Idk why your so dead-set thinking Calamities are not gonna show work much when entire point of the Wano Arc is facing them in battle. It be an Extreme Fight (Emphasizing) to take them down and along with Kaido. They are not to be underestimated and to be trifled with at all.

Blackbeard? Oh yeah he did attack Whitebeard while he was weaken from the War, but you seem to ignore his feats of him beating and capturing Ace, 2nd Commander of Whitebeard Pirates, defeating Macro and Whitebeard Pirates within 2 year timeskip, able to damage and permanently scarred Shanks' eye which Shanks confirmed to NOT TO UNDERESTIMATE (Emphasizing, not yelling) Blackbeard, etc.. Just because they get scared doesn't mean their power isn't to snuff off and rub off as end of the day, they got results like it or not. Blackbeard got results and look how he is now and Queen got results and look what he is doing now. You not really helping your case better at all, dude.

Not BS, facts. Reread the manga if you can't understand what context is instead of looking pictures alone thinking it same to another situation when they aren't. Genesis answer to those last questions, so don't have much to say, but yeah again your not helping your case as your more like twisting truth than actually stating the real situation.

 

[Shasha23]

You do realize in the same chapters, Big Mom openly stated why it 'her head hurts'

Where on the chapter?