One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[Fox666]

I assume that the WG thinks strategically, and consider how many of their forces would be wasted in a conflict with Wano. Kaido clearly is ready for a suicide attack on anyone.

 

[M3J]

It could have been exaggerated based on the WG's past experience with Wano, possibly centuries ago, if not decades ago. Plus, the WG may not have been as strong as Kaidou's force is, especially with Kaidou and his monstrous strength.

 

[King Moe]

Man looking at members of Roger Crew, no doubt they could compete and probably are all above Yonko Crews. Makes me think how strong could we predict Roger. Probably beyond Yonko lvl if he is able to have likes of Bullet, Rayleigh, Gabin, Oden, Crocus, Shanks, Buggy D. Clown (JK...Or is it ;P?), etc..

What you all could estimate on Roger's strength? Also think we ever get reunion of former Roger Pirates together?

 

[Fox666]

It was plain stated he was equal to Whitebeard. Plus apparently he did not defeat Kaido too?

 

[King Moe]

It was plain stated he was equal to Whitebeard. Plus apparently he did not defeat Kaido too?

Talking about Roger or Oden?

 

[Fox666]

Yes, it was stated that Oden was equal to Whitebeard, but he did not have to defeat Kaido or Big Mom to become Pirate King.

 

[M3J]

Man looking at members of Roger Crew, no doubt they could compete and probably are all above Yonko Crews. Makes me think how strong could we predict Roger. Probably beyond Yonko lvl if he is able to have likes of Bullet, Rayleigh, Gabin, Oden, Crocus, Shanks, Buggy D. Clown (JK...Or is it ;P?), etc..

What you all could estimate on Roger's strength? Also think we ever get reunion of former Roger Pirates together?

I highly doubt that, it's based on nothing but hype. So far, we've had Big Mom and/or Neko and Inu imply that Roger never beat Big Mom or Kaidou or fought them to get the Poneglyphs, he could just "hear" them. Usopp also stated that Luffy didn't even need to beat the Yonkou to become the Pirate King, a point that Luffy didn't argue with.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Doesn't mean he has to do it alone. The WG sure is uneasy of the Wano samurais. Rightfully so, we already have 5 Yonko commander level characters among the 9 Scabbards.

And 3 out of the 9 are slightly stronger than most Yonko commanders.

I assume that the WG thinks strategically, and consider how many of their forces would be wasted in a conflict with Wano. Kaido clearly is ready for a suicide attack on anyone.

I agree. Also it might depend on the times...

I feel Wano has always been a uniquely dangerous land for the World Government to bother about.
It's borders used to be closed before Oden's time and then it was opened during his reign (an opportunity Kaido took with his rum-soaked hands). Yet it remained untainted by the dirty hands of the WG.

Now post Oden it's closed again and more formidable than it ever was.

The WG have always feared Wano's unknown powerful force and then Kaido made it his lair.
One would think they should've reconsidered their hesitation since Kaido successfully took it over but their reluctancy to enter has only gotten worse.

 

[McNuss]

Where do you get 5 Yonko Commanders among the 9 Scabbards from, assuming with Yonko Commander you mean Calamity/Sweet3, Marco/Jozu/Vista level?

I get Inu and Neko, but among the Wano people only Ashura Douji has such feats as of yet, and he is also the only one named as Oden's former opponent. Denjiro is unrevealed, assuming he is Kyoshiro does not give him any Calamity lvl feats either, and Kawamatsu has only been fighting fodder so far, sure he looks cool, but it's not putting him on that level yet.

Kinemon is quite strong but was a piece of cake for Law, so the distance between him and "YC" level is quite large. Denjiro and Kawamatsu could place anywhere on that scale.

I don't think these are all Calamity level, otherwise the Calamities get crushed and that is kinda anti-climactic.

However with what we already have, we can easily place Wano Country as only behind the Marines, Yonko, Revos and maybe Straw Hat Grand Fleet in terms of power. It is more powerful than Germa and the Donquixote Pirates and obviously a lot stronger than any of the other nations that have been introduced to us up til now.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Where do you get 5 Yonko Commanders among the 9 Scabbards from, assuming with Yonko Commander you mean Calamity/Sweet3, Marco/Jozu/Vista level?

I get Inu and Neko, but among the Wano people only Ashura Douji has such feats as of yet, and he is also the only one named as Oden's former opponent. Denjiro is unrevealed, assuming he is Kyoshiro does not give him any Calamity lvl feats either, and Kawamatsu has only been fighting fodder so far, sure he looks cool, but it's not putting him on that level yet.

Kinemon is quite strong but was a piece of cake for Law, so the distance between him and "YC" level is quite large. Denjiro and Kawamatsu could place anywhere on that scale.

I don't think these are all Calamity level, otherwise the Calamities get crushed and that is kinda anti-climactic.

However with what we already have, we can easily place Wano Country as only behind the Marines, Yonko, Revos and maybe Straw Hat Grand Fleet in terms of power. It is more powerful than Germa and the Donquixote Pirates and obviously a lot stronger than any of the other nations that have been introduced to us up til now.

I don't completely understand the question in your first paragraph. It doesn't seem well framed, but I'll try to reply where I can.

The 3 out of the 9 scabbards that should be stronger than most YC are:
• Ashura/Shutenmaru
• Kawamatsu
• Denjiro/Kyoshiro

This is because of Kinemon's statement in this panel:
View media item 22983
And by most YCs I mean any YC that isn't a right hand man.
That is, apart from the likes of Benn Beckman, Katakuri, Marco, and King, the trio should be slightly stronger or equal to other powerful YCs in strength.

Edit: I thought you quoted my earlier post about the 3 strongest of the 9 scabbards but it seems you were replying @Fox666.

 

[Fox666]

Kinemon didn't needed to find Inuarashi and Nekomamushi, but I'm sure he would include them otherwise.

 

[M3J]

I don't completely understand the question in your first paragraph. It doesn't seem well framed, but I'll try to reply where I can.

The 3 out of the 9 scabbards that should be stronger than most YC are:
• Ashura/Shutenmaru
• Kawamatsu
• Denjiro/Kyoshiro

This is because of Kinemon's statement in this panel:
View media item 22983
And by most YCs I mean any YC that isn't a right hand man.
That is, apart from the likes of Benn Beckman, Katakuri, Marco, and King, the trio should be slightly stronger or equal to other powerful YCs in strength.

Edit: I thought you quoted my earlier post about the 3 strongest of the 9 scabbards but it seems you were replying @Fox666.

Unimpressive, most unimpressive. Zoro, Sanji, and Luffy alone could take out at least 1,000 or something. Look at the Fishman Island fight, around when Luffy used Conqueror's haki on the enemies and when Luffy praised Sanji's strength, and Zoro got jealous and said he was worth more on Zou when they were talking about getting Sanji back.


Pfft.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Ceocus that old fuck, shooting squids with harpoons.

I want to hate this post.... but love it at the same time.

What do you mean by this, sir

 

[Fox666]

Unimpressive, most unimpressive. Zoro, Sanji, and Luffy alone could take out at least 1,000 or something. Look at the Fishman Island fight, around when Luffy used Conqueror's haki on the enemies and when Luffy praised Sanji's strength, and Zoro got jealous and said he was worth more on Zou when they were talking about getting Sanji back.

"Strength of 100 men" is just a way of saying "very strong" in Japanese. Don't take it literally.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Unimpressive, most unimpressive. Zoro, Sanji, and Luffy alone could take out at least 1,000 or something. Look at the Fishman Island fight, around when Luffy used Conqueror's haki on the enemies and when Luffy praised Sanji's strength, and Zoro got jealous and said he was worth more on Zou when they were talking about getting Sanji back.


Pfft.

Like @Fox666 said it's not to be taken literally.
The fact that Ashura one of the 3 scabbards Kinemon mentioned was looking good duelling Jack is testament to the other 2, Kawamatsu and Denjiro's strength since he mentioned all 3 of them in the same breadth.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 27, 2019, Original Post Date: Aug 27, 2019 ---

Kinemon didn't needed to find Inuarashi and Nekomamushi, but I'm sure he would include them otherwise.

And that makes them 5 YC level characters of the 9 scabbards you mentioned earlier.

I also feel O-Kiku would be at least on par with Inu and Neko since Luffy already gauged her as super strong just like he did with Inu and Neko so we potentially have 6 now.

 

[McNuss]

Luffy also gauged Hyouzou as strong and we know how that ended. Okiku is certainly much stronger though. Still Kinemon is speaking from his own perspective. Kawamatsu and Denjiro could be anywhere between him and Ashura, if they end up as being among the likes of Perospero/Oven/Daifuku/Pedro/Tamago, they would still be super strong and stronger than Kinemon, which is all that is needed for his statement to be true.

Also Nekomamushi and Inuarashi are weaker than Jack, as they couldn't defeat him even with taking turns. They might drastically overpower even King in their Sulong forms though considering how Sulong pushed Carrot from getting trolled by Brulee to trolling Daifuku and his entire fleet.

Due to that, I can't see Luffy assembling an army of that many top tier people, even if it is for the sake of defeating the god tier Kaido.
If you discount Kaido and even if Kawamatsu/Denjiro are just Oven tier, than the Ninja-Mink-Pirate-Samurai-Alliance already vastly owerpowers the Beast Pirates and their subjects, so that's more than enough.

 

[Fox666]

Also Nekomamushi and Inuarashi are weaker than Jack, as they couldn't defeat him even with taking turns. They might drastically overpower even King in their Sulong forms though considering how Sulong pushed Carrot from getting trolled by Brulee to trolling Daifuku and his entire fleet.

I don't really think that Nekomamushi and Inuarashi sleeping make much difference, surely not like it would in real life. The two are strong enough to draw a stallement with Jack. However if I recall it, they did seemed impressed with Jack stamina.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Luffy also gauged Hyouzou as strong and we know how that ended. Okiku is certainly much stronger though. Still Kinemon is speaking from his own perspective. Kawamatsu and Denjiro could be anywhere between him and Ashura, if they end up as being among the likes of Perospero/Oven/Daifuku/Pedro/Tamago, they would still be super strong and stronger than Kinemon, which is all that is needed for his statement to be true.

Also Nekomamushi and Inuarashi are weaker than Jack, as they couldn't defeat him even with taking turns. They might drastically overpower even King in their Sulong forms though considering how Sulong pushed Carrot from getting trolled by Brulee to trolling Daifuku and his entire fleet.

Due to that, I can't see Luffy assembling an army of that many top tier people, even if it is for the sake of defeating the god tier Kaido.
If you discount Kaido and even if Kawamatsu/Denjiro are just Oven tier, than the Ninja-Mink-Pirate-Samurai-Alliance already vastly owerpowers the Beast Pirates and their subjects, so that's more than enough.

By Hyouzou you don't mean Hyogoro?
Can't recall any recent character called Hyouzou. My memory's a bit hazy lately.

Whoever that is though, the fact that Luffy didn't call him superstrong, just strong, as you suggested, says it all.

Nekomamushi and Inuarashi seem to be on par with Jack not weaker. They only switched battling him bcos they can't stand each other. That part was already explained so no need to get in to that.

As for Ashura, I feel he's slightly stronger than Neko and Inu even though in his brief duel with Inu it was a draw. But in fights it's well known that there's no real drive when facing an ally compared to when battling an enemy. There's hardly any seriousness in that duel so...

There's no chance that they are at the level of the likes of Oven/Pedro/Peros/Tamago.
Those aren't commander level whatsoever even though they are strong.
Recall that Pedro was one of those serving under the Mink bosses Inuarashi and Neko. There's no way he's even close to their level.

So, it is what it is. More than 6 potential Yonko commander level fighters in the 9 red scabbards. As for Kinemon, he might not be as strong as the rest (and this is just speculation) but he's got great leadership skills as he's their captain. It might not seem much but it is. As Shutenmaru vividly said that without a leader, the scabbards would be nothing against Kaido.
I should have that panel somewhere

 

[M3J]

Like @Fox666 said it's not to be taken literally.
The fact that Ashura one of the 3 scabbards Kinemon mentioned was looking good duelling Jack is testament to the other 2, Kawamatsu and Denjiro's strength since he mentioned all 3 of them in the same breadth.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 27, 2019, Original Post Date: Aug 27, 2019 ---

And that makes them 5 YC level characters of the 9 scabbards you mentioned earlier.

I also feel O-Kiku would be at least on par with Inu and Neko since Luffy already gauged her as super strong just like he did with Inu and Neko so we potentially have 6 now.

I was joking... but they could have used better comparison given what we were told about Zoro and Sanji. That's little to no hype even though it's from THEIR point of view, and they probably consider that impressive.

 

[afromarco005]

The way i see it Luffy's adventure is somewhat of a parrallel to Rogers. I think that Roger was also an underdog and was struggling quite a bit before he became pirate king.
So I think that Roger will be as strong as what ever Luffy will be EOS.