One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[thedude]

Mihawk considers Shanks a has been, but the WG considers him strong enough to make him a Yonko??? Hmmm, interesting take on that

Lol, he considers Shanks a has been well before he even became a Yonko! That's like calling the Beatles has beens when they were called "The Quarrymen" (their original name in 1957). I mean, if you ignore all their success, sure, that works...

 

[Pirate Queen]

Lol, he considers Shanks a has been well before he even became a Yonko! That's like calling the Beatles has beens when they were called "The Quarrymen" (their original name in 1957). I mean, if you ignore all their success, sure, that works...

Beautiful analogy lol

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

@AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA LOL, why are you excluding Pica's DF? Since when are DF's irrelevant in who wins a fight? Pica>any other seat, hands down

Since never lol. Of course DF's are always relevant in battle. But that's not what we are discussing in this case.
Rather it's who is strongest in Doffy's crew after Dofy.
Pica lacks physical strength, Vergo is physically strong. Pica has inferior Haki. Vergo's Haki was overly praised by Doffy.
All Pica has that's truly positive is his DF which makes him very destructive and that's it.

Take it this way. Garp was the strongest individual at one point in the Marine. Yet, he can't be considered as destructive as Magellan who has a terrible DF ability.

Fact is Magellan will never be as strong as Garp till the day he dies.
Magellan will always be more destructive than Garp no matter how powerful Garp was.

This is where DF is relevant. In battle as you've pointed out correctly, not as a determinant of physical strength. Get the point?

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He is a big deal because very few possess the destructivity to drive him out of stone mountain and not many can deal with a "town falling" onto them.
I agree, there is a terrain advantage/disadvantage, on a ship on the sea, he would be far easier to deal with but in Dressrosa he is trouble for many.
Still, even without terrain advantage, he pulled the same full-body haki feat like Vergo and he uses a big sword which could possibly inflict more damage than Vergo's bamboo stick.

Size has never mattered. Haki quality does. Even with a bamboo stick you couldn't cut Vergo's weapon if your Haki isn't stronger than his.
It wouldn't have mattered if Pica's sword was the size of a standing giant if his opponent holds a knife while been physically stronger or having superior Haki.

 

[nik87]

Rather it's who is strongest in Doffy's crew after Dofy.

It is obviously Pica since DF's also play part in being strong, you cant exclude it. What is Law without DF? Nothing but that is not how stronger is determined.

Size has never mattered. Haki quality does. Even with a bamboo stick you couldn't cut Vergo's weapon if your Haki isn't stronger than his.
It wouldn't have mattered if Pica's sword was the size of a standing giant if his opponent holds a knife while been physically stronger or having superior Haki.

I am sure if a mountain falls down on Vergo his Haki being superior matters absolutely nothing and he has no means to drive Pica out of stone golem.

 

[Fox666]

He is a big deal because very few possess the destructivity to drive him out of stone mountain and not many can deal with a "town falling" onto them.
I agree, there is a terrain advantage/disadvantage, on a ship on the sea, he would be far easier to deal with but in Dressrosa he is trouble for many.
Still, even without terrain advantage, he pulled the same full-body haki feat like Vergo and he uses a big sword which could possibly inflict more damage than Vergo's bamboo stick.

I don't get what's the point of talking about the size of Pica's swords? His sword are way bigger than Zoro, does that means anything?

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Pica wasn't that weak without his Devil Fruit, he did fought Zoro for a while.

Pica was defeated so easily because he decided to attack King Riku and turned his back to Zoro.

While I disagree about Devil Fruits not counting when deciding who is stronger, just like you wouldn't call a swordman weak for relying on his sword, I agree that without Devil Fruits Diamante would be stronger than Pica and Trebol.

If he wasn't weak Zoro wouldn't be grinning in that clash.
He'd have a face like this as he does, when fighting actually strong individuals:

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Or this:

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[Fox666]

What is Law without DF?

A dude whose Haki is strong enough to block Doflamingo strings, and a swordman who can cut down a mountain.

I am sure if a mountain falls down on Vergo his Haki being superior matters absolutely nothing and he has no means to drive Pica out of stone golem.

I don't get where you are getting at. Vergo could just break the statue like Luffy or Chinjao did.

 

[nik87]

Give me proof Mihawk grew? My proof is Shanks becoming a Yonko.... wheres yours?
Hahahahaha, don't be salty
This is too funny

Why would I be salty lol?
The proof is right there. Mihawk wishing for an opponent better than Shanks and looking down on Yonko Shanks. Does that look like he outgrew him?

You make the mistake in thinking growth is equal for everyone. We know that since they battled, Shanks became strong enough to be on equal footing to WB and Kaido, despite their crews dwarfing his.
It's more than likely that Mihawk was a slightly better swordsman than Shanks pre-losing an arm, but Shanks is stronger in every other way.

No, I dont think it is equal, I am just correcting the assumption which says only Shanks grew. Mihawk is one man, even if he is the strongest individual in the world, he cannot be a Yonko since individuals strength is not what makes you a Yonko.
Shanks has never been equal to WB and Kaido and Shanks crew is better than theirs as confirmed in this chapter right now.
In what other way is Shanks stronger?
Mihawk has better CoA feat than Shanks, has WSS title. There is nothing that puts Shanks above Mihawk...

Also, regarding what Shanks was doing with Gorosei...

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

I don't get what's the point of talking about the size of Pica's swords? His sword are way bigger than Zoro, does that means anything?

They'll look for anything to try and prove Zoro's opponent was strong, which in turn makes Zoro look stronger, which satisfies their Zoro worship.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Why would I be salty lol?
The proof is right there. Mihawk wishing for an opponent better than Shanks and looking down on Yonko Shanks. Does that look like he outgrew him?

No, I dont think it is equal, I am just correcting the assumption which says only Shanks grew. Mihawk is one man, even if he is the strongest individual in the world, he cannot be a Yonko since individuals strength is not what makes you a Yonko.
Shanks has never been equal to WB and Kaido and Shanks crew is better than theirs as confirmed in this chapter right now.
In what other way is Shanks stronger?
Mihawk has better CoA feat than Shanks, has WSS title. There is nothing that puts Shanks above Mihawk...

Also, regarding what Shanks was doing with Gorosei...

How does Mihawk have a better CoA feat than Shanks?

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Shanks has never been equal to WB and Kaido and Shanks crew is better than theirs as confirmed in this chapter right now.
In what other way is Shanks stronger?
Mihawk has better CoA feat than Shanks, has WSS title. There is nothing that puts Shanks above Mihawk...

Proof Shanks has never been equal to WB or Kaido?

Your making alot of assumptions all of a sudden

 

[nik87]

A dude whose Haki is strong enough to block Doflamingo strings, and a swordman who can cut down a mountain.

I don't get where you are getting at. Vergo could just break the statue like Luffy or Chinjao did.

He got cut by Doffy's strings, nothing special. Sanji got hit directly but them and not even a scar. Doffy's string cuts are rather meh. Law's mountain cutting is thanks to his DF, not his swordsmanship, he had the Room up.
No, Vergo hasnt shown nowhere close to that level of destructiveness. Denting factory walls is best he has shown and that's not even a poke in a mountain.

 

[nik87]

How does Mihawk have a better CoA feat than Shanks?

Proof Shanks has never been equal to WB or Kaido?
Your making alot of assumptions all of a sudden

Mihawk has a black blade, Shanks doesnt.
Where is the proof that he was equal?
He clashed with WB their weapons. Where is the effect of Tremor fruit in that clash? Did Shanks have to deal with it?
Oni with a freakin Dragon Zoan fruit of all Zoan fruits cannot lose in raw strength to anyone, he has Club-sama to deal with sword and can probably spam Borobreath in his hybrid form.

 

[Core D. Roy]

Mihawk considers Shanks a has been, but the WG considers him strong enough to make him a Yonko??? Hmmm, interesting take on that

That was just shit-talking between peers. Mihawk was insulting Shanks as a swordsman. Losing an arm is serious business for swordsmen. I think it's safe to say Shanks didn't get much weaker (if at all) from his loss of an arm. It's not like he wields big fuck-off swords like Mihawk's.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Mihawk has a black blade, Shanks doesnt.
Where is the proof that he was equal?
He clashed with WB their weapons. Where is the effect of Tremor fruit in that clash? Did Shanks have to deal with it?
Oni with a freakin Dragon Zoan fruit of all Zoan fruits cannot lose in raw strength to anyone, he has Club-sama to deal with sword and can probably spam Borobreath in his hybrid form.

That's CoA feat?... you give me a call when Mihawk does something like blocking an Admiral's magma fist whose devil Fruit is confirmed to be the most highly offensive power among DF, until then... Mihawk has no feat that compare to Shanks.

An entire war and the WSS couldn't perform a single thing of note.

The times... they are a-changing!

 

[Pirate Queen]

That was just shit-talking between peers. Mihawk was insulting Shanks as a swordsman. Losing an arm is serious business for swordsmen. I think it's safe to say Shanks didn't get much weaker (if at all) from his loss of an arm. It's not like he wields big fuck-off swords like Mihawk's.

It's now confirmed Shanks didnt get weaker after losing his arm, but actually got strong enough to be considered a yonko.

The "has been" part is just my response to nik-chan

 

[thedude]

Why would I be salty lol?
The proof is right there. Mihawk wishing for an opponent better than Shanks and looking down on Yonko Shanks. Does that look like he outgrew him?

No, I dont think it is equal, I am just correcting the assumption which says only Shanks grew. Mihawk is one man, even if he is the strongest individual in the world, he cannot be a Yonko since individuals strength is not what makes you a Yonko.
Shanks has never been equal to WB and Kaido and Shanks crew is better than theirs as confirmed in this chapter right now.
In what other way is Shanks stronger?
Mihawk has better CoA feat than Shanks, has WSS title. There is nothing that puts Shanks above Mihawk...

Also, regarding what Shanks was doing with Gorosei...

I can't even with you...everything you say is just some twisted logic to get back to "Zoro is stronger than everyone when he surpasses Mihawk".

 

[thedude]

That's CoA feat?... you give me a call when Mihawk does something like blocking an Admiral's magma fist whose devil Fruit is confirmed to be the most highly offensive power among DF, until then... Mihawk has no feat that compare to Shanks.

An entire war and the WSS couldn't perform a single thing of note.

The times... they are a-changing!

Well, Mihawks strongest slash was blocked by a Jozu...wait, that's not the kind of feat you are looking for, is it...lol

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Shanks has the most balanced crew, not the better crew...

I think it has to be the best crew, just by virtue of still being a Yonko despite his crew being so small.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

It is obviously Pica since DF's also play part in being strong, you cant exclude it. What is Law without DF? Nothing but that is not how stronger is determined.

Law is physically weaker than Vergo in physical strength.
But his combat ability is superior mostly because of his DF.

 

[nik87]

That's CoA feat?... you give me a call when Mihawk does something like blocking an Admiral's magma fist whose devil Fruit is confirmed to be the most highly offensive power among DF, until then... Mihawk has no feat that compare to Shanks.
An entire war and the WSS couldn't perform a single thing of note.
The times... they are a-changing!

Of course it is CoA feat, one that only two characters in entire One Piece have been capable of and both were the best swordsmen of their eras.
Mihawk's casual sword swing against Luffy has cut up a frozen mountain wave.
Akainu's DF is most offensive but it isnt strongest, we already know it is Tremor fruit, it is just misinterpreted by what offensive means...
Mihawk only showed up in MF to keep his Warlord title, he had no objective there and it is confirmed that he doesnt go all out when hunting rabbits.

Shanks has the most balanced crew, not the better crew...

Most balanced crew with Beckman, Roo and Yasopp all 3 making names for themselves and Beckmans past hype of being taken in same breath as Shanks means their top 10> any other crew's top 10.

It's now confirmed Shanks didnt get weaker after losing his arm, but actually got strong enough to be considered a yonko.
The "has been" part is just my response to nik-chan

I am sure there was confirmation somewhere that he lost a considerable amount of power due to losing a hand and logically since he was Nitoryu swordsman in the past. That is the reason why Mihawk considers him a has-been in the first place, he doesnt see him as a worthy challenge anymore.

I can't even with you...everything you say is just some twisted logic to get back to "Zoro is stronger than everyone when he surpasses Mihawk".

I gave you valid points...

 

[Fox666]

Law is physically weaker than Vergo in physical strength.
But his combat ability is superior mostly because of his DF.

Doflamingo flat-out said that Law's ability wouldn't work against Vergo because his Haki was superior... meaning that it worked because Law had the greater Haki of the two. He would have killed Vergo if he didn't used his Devil Fruit.