One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Pirate Queen]

And I'm disagreeing with this, it can happen. Luffy did get ended with one blow from Kaidou and likely would have had he fought Big Mom. If Shanks is on another level, then he could one-shot Luffy as well.

You completely ignored what I said. Kaido defeated Luffy in 1 blow because the gap between them was absolutely massive.

Read my comment completely.

If 2 fighters are of SIMILAR tier it CANNOT happen.

Top tiers cannot "One Shot" other top tiers

 

[M3J]

Yeah, and the gap between Shanks and Luffy could be massive as well. Or hell, just slice Luffy even if they are both top tiers, if Shanks can cut through almost anything regardless of strength or haki.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Yeah, and the gap between Shanks and Luffy could be massive as well. Or hell, just slice Luffy even if they are both top tiers, if Shanks can cut through almost anything regardless of strength or haki.

I have no idea what you are talking about know. If the gap between Kaido and Luffy was huge it stands to reason the gap between Luffy and Shanks is almost equally huge so yes Shanks could have probably 1 shot Luffy.

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If you think Shanks with 1 clean slash could defeat Kaido or if Mihawk with 1 clean slash could defeat Big Mom... then we arent seeing eye to eye

 

[Fox666]

Zoro's taken worse wounds and fought, but for some reason a stab this arc took him out. It's convenient writing that can change whenever the mangaka wants

Injuries are unpredictable. As a real life analogy, sometimes a person survive being shot in the heart, sometimes a person can die from a shot in the leg.

That said, you may also consider that Zoro injury was worse than it seemed, and he was just crazy of holding the blade with his flesh.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 25, 2020, Original Post Date: Jan 25, 2020 ---

I have no idea what you are talking about know. If the gap between Kaido and Luffy was huge it stands to reason the gap between Luffy and Shanks is almost equally huge so yes Shanks could have probably 1 shot Luffy.

I don't get what you two are disagreeing with.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Injuries are unpredictable. As a real life analogy, sometimes a person survive being shot in the heart, sometimes a person can die from a shot in the leg.

That said, you may also consider that Zoro injury was worse than it seemed, and he was just crazy of holding the blade with his flesh.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 25, 2020, Original Post Date: Jan 25, 2020 ---

I don't get what you two are disagreeing with.

I dont either. Which is why I'm confused. He seems to be agreeing with me save for him misunderstanding my last post to him

 

[M3J]

I have no idea what you are talking about know. If the gap between Kaido and Luffy was huge it stands to reason the gap between Luffy and Shanks is almost equally huge so yes Shanks could have probably 1 shot Luffy.

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If you think Shanks with 1 clean slash could defeat Kaido or if Mihawk with 1 clean slash could defeat Big Mom... then we arent seeing eye to eye

Are you talking about Luffy now or Luffy when he gets strong enough to beat Kaidou? Cuz I'm talking about a Yonkou-level Luffy and the possibility of Shanks being on an even higher tier than any Marine or Yonkou.

Main difference between Luffy and Kaidou and Big Mom is that Luffy doesn't have the defense that they do, so while neither swordsman could cut the Yonkou, they could cut Luffy.

That said, you may also consider that Zoro injury was worse than it seemed, and he was just crazy of holding the blade with his flesh.

True, but again, he's gotten seemingly worse injuries than that and didn't faint.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Are you talking about Luffy now or Luffy when he gets strong enough to beat Kaidou? Cuz I'm talking about a Yonkou-level Luffy and the possibility of Shanks being on an even higher tier than any Marine or Yonkou.

Oh... well then it just depends on the gap in their strength. If Shanks is on an even higher level than the other Yonko or Admiral then sure, it's be okay with Luffy being 1 shot, there there needs to be evidence to support that. As of now we have no reason to believe Shanks is much stronger than Kaido.

To be fair, I do personally believe Shanks is the strongest Yonko but that Blackbeard gets that title after consuming a 3rd DF. But I want more evidence behind standing by that claim.

I am talking about non Yonko level Luffy. If he is 1 shot it would be because the gap between him and whoever he was fight is LARGE. I do not think Zoro, for instance, could 1 shot Luffy with a clean slash unless a long drawn out fight occured that pushed Luffy to the absolute limit.

 

[kcd]

So, what you are saying is basically this: Shanks wont land a single clean slice on Luffy.
AN EMPEROR WONT LAND A SINGLE CLEAN HIT. Luffy walking away from a fight with an EMPEROR clean.
Now, how ridiculous does that sound?

It goes both ways, dude, lol.

When you said Zoro would be better suited to fight Shanks, does this then mean Zoro WON'T receive any hit from Shanks just because he is a swordsman too?!
If an emperor is capable of landing a clean hit on Luffy, then they're more than capable of landing more hits on Zoro who doesn't even have future sight. Your logic here is very flawed.

If I'd bet, I'll bet on someone who has future sight as well as the most advanced armament, not on someone just because he carries a sword.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

I have no idea what you are talking about know. If the gap between Kaido and Luffy was huge it stands to reason the gap between Luffy and Shanks is almost equally huge so yes Shanks could have probably 1 shot Luffy.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 25, 2020, Original Post Date: Jan 25, 2020 ---

If you think Shanks with 1 clean slash could defeat Kaido or if Mihawk with 1 clean slash could defeat Big Mom... then we arent seeing eye to eye

Depends on how the clean slash is given, i guess

I mean, roger was executed by nameless marine
If shanks gave a fatal wound, he probably could one shot other top tier, but the thing is its hard to land a clean and fatal hit to a yonkou tier, coz usually they can react fast enough to counteract

 

[Pirate Queen]

Depends on how the clean slash is given, i guess

I mean, roger was executed by nameless marine

Roger was basically dead and allowed that marine to execute him. He turned himself in. A child could have stabbed him at that point and peirced his flesh. He was still human after all. Flesh and bone until haki is applied.

 

[M3J]

Oh... well then it just depends on the gap in their strength. If Shanks is on an even higher level than the other Yonko or Admiral then sure, it's be okay with Luffy being 1 shot, there there needs to be evidence to support that. As of now we have no reason to believe Shanks is much stronger than Kaido.

To be fair, I do personally believe Shanks is the strongest Yonko but that Blackbeard gets that title after consuming a 3rd DF. But I want more evidence behind standing by that claim.

I am talking about non Yonko level Luffy. If he is 1 shot it would be because the gap between him and whoever he was fight is LARGE. I do not think Zoro, for instance, could 1 shot Luffy with a clean slash unless a long drawn out fight occured that pushed Luffy to the absolute limit.

I'm not saying it's a fact, just a possibility or an example. We do know that Shanks and Kaidou collided when Kaidou was trying to go to Marineford to kill Whitebeard, and Shanks still made it to Marineford without any injury. I will admit though, I wouldn't be surprised if they just drank, and Shanks left when he remembered Whitebeard vs. the Marines.

Where did Blackbeard get the third fruit to consume? When? I don't remember this at all O_o

ya, and that's where we differ. Zoro would need superior haki even if he is on the same level to kill Luffy with one shot. AND somehow find a way to hit Luffy as well.

 

[nik87]

He won't fight the person that he promised to surpass? The person who told Luffy that he'll only take his Strawhat back after Luffy becomes a better person than him?

Shanks is Luffy's idol, but Luffy isn't going to let those sentimental feelings stand in the way of his goal. Shanks is an obstacle that Luffy must overcome. They both are aware of this.

Plus, Luffy straight up told Law that he wants to take down all 4 Emperors.

Did he say he will beat Shanks tho? He said he will get better crew than his. Ye he said he would beat all 4 and held 3 fingers only... Is Shanks an obstacle, does he have a RP which Luffy needs? Can the story go in other direction than them fighting?

It goes both ways, dude, lol.

When you said Zoro would be better suited to fight Shanks, does this then mean Zoro WON'T receive any hit from Shanks just because he is a swordsman too?!
If an emperor is capable of landing a clean hit on Luffy, then they're more than capable of landing more hits on Zoro who doesn't even have future sight. Your logic here is very flawed.

If I'd bet, I'll bet on someone who has future sight as well as the most advanced armament, not on someone just because he carries a sword.

It isnt the same. One thing is making an emperor miss all his hits and another thing having fierce clashes metal on metal.
One is drawing a usual Zoro fight, the other is humiliating an Emperor. Anyway, we will pretty much see it anyway, it will happen against Akainu. The same problem, good luck justifying a clean hit and Luffy fighting on, Akainu wont land a single clean hit...

 

[Pirate Queen]

I'm not saying it's a fact, just a possibility or an example. We do know that Shanks and Kaidou collided when Kaidou was trying to go to Marineford to kill Whitebeard, and Shanks still made it to Marineford without any injury. I will admit though, I wouldn't be surprised if they just drank, and Shanks left when he remembered Whitebeard vs. the Marines.

Where did Blackbeard get the third fruit to consume? When? I don't remember this at all O_o

ya, and that's where we differ. Zoro would need superior haki even if he is on the same level to kill Luffy with one shot. AND somehow find a way to hit Luffy as well.

It's just a popular theory. Not relevant to the discussion at the moment. For some reason I thought me and you had discussed the possibility of BB consuming a 3rd DF. It must have been someone else with a Pink colored name. My bad.

 

[kcd]

It isnt the same. One thing is making an emperor miss all his hits and another thing having fierce clashes metal on metal.
One is drawing a usual Zoro fight, the other is humiliating an Emperor. Anyway, we will pretty much see it anyway, it will happen against Akainu. The same problem, good luck justifying a clean hit and Luffy fighting on, Akainu wont land a single clean hit...

Lol, sure, Mr. Nik.

The whole reason why Luffy was given Advanced haki is so that he can do more damage to monsters like Akainu and not lose his limbs. There's a reason Oda stressed on Rodger and Whitebeared's swords not touching even though they both clashed with swords. Who says they must touch for it to be a fight or a direct clash?

I'm not just arguing for argument sake. What you are trying to justify is that Luffy can't take on master swordsmen, and it's completely wrong. More especially when your major point is that Zoro can fight Shanks just because he's holding a sword, lol. Everyone is definitely entitled to their opinions, but some opinions are wrong and needs to to be corrected. The way you're talking, it's almost as if you're saying a blast of haki can't directly clash with a sword. That is definitely what Luffy will do if he sees a future of him getting cut.

Of course, there would be cases where a moment of distraction can allow Shanks connect a clean hit on Luffy. But who are we readers to boldly say it won't be same for Zoro? It would be more ridiculous if Shanks can't land a clean hit on Zoro who doesn't even have future sight, and this is where your argument all falls apart.

Luffy have future sight and your main point is that an moment error would prove deadly. How about Zoro then? Are you saying he won't be cut at all?
In case I haven't worded this well, I'm kinda saying Zoro is at a higher risk of getting slashed in two here, not Luffy. But sure, let's agree to disagree, lol.

 

[nik87]

The whole reason why Luffy was given Advanced haki is so that he can do more damage to monsters like Akainu and not lose his limbs.

I am not disagreeing with this. However, how is Akainu going to deal damage to Luffy? He is never going to land a clean hit, Luffy isnt Whitebeard unless, Oda makes him into Whitebeard and makes him die after fighting Akainu. Is Akainu's fruit going to be useless, will he attack him with haki blasts instead of burning him with Magma?

There's a reason Oda stressed on Rodger and Whitebeared's swords not touching even though they both clashed with swords.

Oda stressed a sword vs bisento, not a sword vs a fist, even on Whitebeard who has the Gura DF and has countered with it everything in MF.

What you are trying to justify is that Luffy can't take on master swordsmen, and it's completely wrong. More especially when your major point is that Zoro can fight Shanks just because he's holding a sword, lol

I am pretty much the 22 years of fighting history and Luffy's future opponents back my arguments just fine.

The way you're talking, it's almost as if you're saying a blast of haki can't directly clash with a sword. That is definitely what Luffy will do if he sees a future of him getting cut.

What would be the point of swordsmen in that case? If their swords cant cut through the blast it is no different than not using a sword in the first place.

Of course, there would be cases where a moment of distraction can allow Shanks connect a clean hit on Luffy. But who are we readers to boldly say it won't be same for Zoro? It would be more ridiculous if Shanks can't land a clean hit on Zoro who doesn't even have future sight, and this is where your argument all falls apart.

Shanks isnt humiliated if he cant land a clean hit on Zoro, he is humiliated if he cant land a hit on Luffy. Zoro has swords to clash against Shanks' sword, like all his other fights and Shanks isnt allowed to land a clean hit on Zoro because it would end the fight. Same if he lands it on Luffy and since he cant clash with Luffy without swordsmanship being pointless he would have to miss everything. Is that how you picture Oda drawing an Emperor fight?

Luffy have future sight and your main point is that an moment error would prove deadly. How about Zoro then? Are you saying he won't be cut at all?
In case I haven't worded this well, I'm kinda saying Zoro is at a higher risk of getting slashed in two here, not Luffy. But sure, let's agree to disagree, lol.

Of course he wont be cut at all, he cannot afford to get cut by an Emperor, however, the fight would be plausible, like all other Zoro's fights. Zoro isnt at higher risk of getting slashed because he has his swords to counter Shanks' sword. In case of Luffy, he either needs to dodge everything or deflect everything and his Future Sight is overrated, dont expect Katakuri's level of performance.

 

[kcd]

Shanks isnt humiliated if he cant land a clean hit on Zoro, he is humiliated if he cant land a hit on Luffy. .

Shanks isn't humiliated if he can't land a clean attack on Zoro, but is humiliated if he doesn't land any clean attack on Luffy who even have future sight?!

Sweet!


You just want to win the argument even if it means talking nonsense, right?!

I guess any logical Zoro fan without bias won't agree with this your statement.

Anyways, I have nothing more to say to this. See ya next week thursday, lol.

 

[nik87]

Shanks isn't humiliated if he can't land a clean attack on Zoro, but is humiliated if he doesn't land any clean attack on Luffy who even have future sight?!
Sweet!
You just want to win the argument even if it means talking nonsense, right?!
I guess any logical Zoro fan without bias won't agree with this your statement.
Anyways, I have nothing more to say to this. See ya next week thursday, lol.

What's wrong? You didnt follow Zoro's fights until now and didnt realize that swordsmen dont land a hit on him?
In case you followed Luffy's fight you realize that he takes lots of hits and now he will trash an Emperor without taking a single clean hit?

 

[jaymizzo]

Luffy fears sword users so much that he ran away from both Fujitora and Cracker.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Luffy fears sword users so much that he ran away from both Fujitora and Cracker.

Comment of the discussion, right here lol

 

[HereNThere]

Did he say he will beat Shanks tho? He said he will get better crew than his. Ye he said he would beat all 4 and held 3 fingers only... Is Shanks an obstacle, does he have a RP which Luffy needs? Can the story go in other direction than them fighting?

Bruh.

He said he'll take on all 4 Emperors. The only distinction he made about Shanks was that he just didn't want him to be the first one he took down. Him holding up three fingers doesn't mean jack when he says, quite clearly (in several translations even), that he wants to take them all down.

I don't even know how to respond to you not thinking Shanks isn't an obstacle. He's one of 4 people who are closest to the title of Pirate King and wants it as well. Of course he's an obstacle.