One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

Ground Rules for the Power Level Discussion Thread
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As always, please follow the guidelines set by the Forum Rules that apply across the board.

It's important that discussions from a current chapter are spoiler tagged until 24h have passed from an english release.

• For the sake of constructive discussion, where and when possible please quote/ source any information you provide. Particularly when it comes to conversations carried over from other threads.
• Avoid passive agressive posts, sly remarks or baiting/trolling. You can certainly have fun or disagree without it being at someone's expense.
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• We will strive to avoid repetitive discussions and any extensive battle topics will be guided to the Davy Back fight to existing threads or new ones can be made there.

As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

If you wish to continue any of these discussion and remove it from the list, you will need to provide manga material as proof. If there's also anything you think we've covered numerous times, let me know and I'll update the list.

This is the only warning there'll be regarding these ground rules, anything no adhering will be removed. So please just check your posts before posting them.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

I think the best question is why would the marines send anything less than an admiral to deal with Mihawk if he’s so powerful. Why would he be underestimated by Akainu of all people?

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Even if they didn’t have the room to get another high tier marine to deal with Mihawk I’m sure there’s others in the govt that exist. Sending low level marines to their deaths to save face just doesn’t add up.

Marines are idiots. One chapter Kizaru compares Weevil to young WB highlighting Weevil's immense strength and then we see Weevil surrounded by nothing but fodder level marines.

But to be fair maybe there are some strong marines among them. Like a couple of VA or something.

 

[XXGenesis]

Well instead of rebuttaling others opinion and statements. I'll answer the threads question.

Mihawk vs Roger would be the same as Oden vs Roger imo. Mihawk would have flashier attacks imo but I believe Roger would handle them the same way, Overpower skill with immense haki & strength.

As for Mihawk vs Shanks. I believe Mihawk has some amusing and maybe even somewhat pressuring swordplay. Shanks however is still in another lv as a Yonkou in terms of haki, & strength. He also isn't limited to swordsmans ship...I'm willing to bet money he's a capable H2H combatant. So Mihawk can be the overall better Swordsman. In terms of overall battle capacity Shanks is just higher. He's stronger, has stronger haki, faster etc etc..all this overshadows the WSS.

My assumption that Shanks is a capable H2H combatant isn't farfetched and is based off of the formula of the manga and shounen battle genre. Does Zoro punch & kick ppl yea, but has he done that in a serious fight or many of his bouts...no because he's a swordsman through & through. Shanks in the other hand full fighting style and abilities are still yet to be revealed. But given his stature of Yonkou and others around his threat lv, they all use weapons & H2H comabat.

 

[goldb]

Admin Notice:
A lot of what needs to be said about this thread topic has been covered. I mentioned before that I'd leave the thread open due to new members not being familiar with the topic but there's been a lot of rude and unecessary comments that I don't appreciate having to warn about or delete.
You're wasting your own time writing that, I will lock this thread if I have to intervene in the discussion again or you keep going over the same things. ~ goldb

 

[XXGenesis]

Just lock it.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Admin Notice:
A lot of what needs to be said about this thread topic has been covered. I mentioned before that I'd leave the thread open due to new members not being familiar with the topic but there's been a lot of rude and unecessary comments that I don't appreciate having to warn about or delete.
You're wasting your own time writing that, I will lock this thread if I have to intervene in the discussion again or you keep going over the same things. ~ goldb

Hey! Didnt i tell you @goldb -kun???

And you deleted my posts

 

[nik87]

Admin Notice:
A lot of what needs to be said about this thread topic has been covered. I mentioned before that I'd leave the thread open due to new members not being familiar with the topic but there's been a lot of rude and unecessary comments that I don't appreciate having to warn about or delete.
You're wasting your own time writing that, I will lock this thread if I have to intervene in the discussion again or you keep going over the same things. ~ goldb

Keep it open, swordbois are only getting warm, this will be a hot topic sooner or later.

 

[Luke Beifong]

Keep it open, swordbois are only getting warm, this will be a hot topic sooner or later.

Man! There’s so many true in your words here that I have to agree. Just wait for a Mihawk ou Skanks fight and BON! This thread will explode

 

[Kato756]

If this was already discussed, sorry, but I was watching Stampede, and where do you guys think that final short matchup would go?

Sanji vs Rob Lucci
Zoro vs Crocodile

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 8, 2020, Original Post Date: Feb 8, 2020 ---

If this was already discussed, sorry, but I was watching Stampede, and where do you guys think that final short matchup would go?

Sanji vs Rob Lucci
Zoro vs Crocodile

 

[King Moe]

If this was already discussed, sorry, but I was watching Stampede, and where do you guys think that final short matchup would go?

Sanji vs Rob Lucci
Zoro vs Crocodile

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 8, 2020, Original Post Date: Feb 8, 2020 ---

If this was already discussed, sorry, but I was watching Stampede, and where do you guys think that final short matchup would go?

Sanji vs Rob Lucci
Zoro vs Crocodile

Wish we got extend fight to each to show how far Sanji and Zoro come far being stronger than past enemies of Luffy. Would have love to see the fights. Though kinda hurt Zoro's portrayal in movie on getting save by Mihawk and can't beat Crocodile XD.

Wonder what plans Oda has for Lucci and Crocodile since they are in New World now. He wouldn't give them important roles in the movie and Canon series if he truly was done with them.

 

[nik87]

If this was already discussed, sorry, but I was watching Stampede, and where do you guys think that final short matchup would go?

Sanji vs Rob Lucci
Zoro vs Crocodile

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 8, 2020, Original Post Date: Feb 8, 2020 ---

If this was already discussed, sorry, but I was watching Stampede, and where do you guys think that final short matchup would go?

Sanji vs Rob Lucci
Zoro vs Crocodile

Zoro could have beaten Crocodile back then too if you apply blood on his swords so now isnt different, up to Oda regarding the difficulty whether he wants it a difficult fight or a fast one shot.

Without RS I dont think Sanji can beat Lucci, one Rokuogan would probably end him.

 

[gunsmoke69]

Man! There’s so many true in your words here that I have to agree. Just wait for a Mihawk ou Skanks fight and BON! This thread will explode

True. Since Oda said that the manga was 80% done back in 2018, we can expect to have these answers revealed to us fairly soon.

 

[SupremeMod]

Zoro could have beaten Crocodile back then too if you apply blood on his swords so now isnt different, up to Oda regarding the difficulty whether he wants it a difficult fight or a fast one shot.

I honestly don't care about the whole Zoro v Sanji stuff but that's a dumb argument. Using the same logic Sanji could have beaten Crocodile back then if he had applied blood to his legs.

 

[nik87]

I honestly don't care about the whole Zoro v Sanji stuff but that's a dumb argument. Using the same logic Sanji could have beaten Crocodile back then if he had applied blood to his legs.

Would he tho? Luffy's punches were significantly stronger than Sanji's kicks back then and still was very hard fight.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Would he tho? Luffy's punches were significantly stronger than Sanji's kicks back then and still was very hard fight.

Zoro isn't beating Crocodile, regardless if he has water on his swords or not. Zoro had no moves on the level of a gomu gomu no storm at the time.

 

[nik87]

Zoro isn't beating Crocodile, regardless if he has water on his swords or not. Zoro had no moves on the level of a gomu gomu no storm at the time.

He has something far superior - Sanzen Sekai. Crocodile wont be standing after that one for sure.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Crocodile has far too many ways to deal with Zoro. A large part of Luffy defeating Crocodile was infinity that Zoro had yet to show.

Zoro has yet to show the capability of dealing with an worthy opponent with a tricky gimmick. And back then logia were the trickiest to deal with. Zoro would not have been able to fight Crocodile long enough to figure out blood/water being able to hurt him.

1 touch and Zoro is permanently put down, especially back during Arabasta where Crocodile was fighting in a Desert

 

[Admiral Teach]

Crocodile was too much for Zoro. And despite winning in the end, Luffy fought and lost to him more than once. And would have surely died if not for the antidote Robin gave him. Zoro wouldn't have pulled through. He failed to hurt Enel, don't forget. What makes you think he could hurt Crocodile? (Assuming Enel wasn't Awakened or had whatever makes Akainu able to heal Haki damage)

Here's something else to think about: Crocodile had PLENTY of ranged attacks. He was in fact probably weaker at mid-range than anything. Zoro would have been in quite a bit of trouble in melee, due mostly to the hook, and its ability to materialize out of nowhere in the desert. At range, he'd have been dead. No flying slashes at that time. No Haki capable of dealing with Crocodile. In the middle of the desert even water-luffy wasn't going to beat him. In Aluburna, he'd still have been overwhelmed. The only reason Luffy got so far was he's a mid-ranged trickster who could fill himself with water if need be, thanks to Gomu-Gomu.

 

[XXGenesis]

Croc being under scaled early in the manga being out aside. He defeated Luffy twice. Ssnji doesnt have the endurance or strength feats to defeat croc in alabasta. & Zoro would be turned into a prune...Croc's versatility Is too much for Zoro during alabasta.

 

[Fox666]

Crocodile has far too many ways to deal with Zoro. A large part of Luffy defeating Crocodile was infinity that Zoro had yet to show.

Zoro has yet to show the capability of dealing with an worthy opponent with a tricky gimmick. And back then logia were the trickiest to deal with. Zoro would not have been able to fight Crocodile long enough to figure out blood/water being able to hurt him.

1 touch and Zoro is permanently put down, especially back during Arabasta where Crocodile was fighting in a Desert

Yeah, 99% of the time Zoro tanks the attacks coming to him, meaning that he would be dead against Crocodile

 

[King Moe]

Croc being under scaled early in the manga being out aside. He defeated Luffy twice. Ssnji doesnt have the endurance or strength feats to defeat croc in alabasta. & Zoro would be turned into a prune...Croc's versatility Is too much for Zoro during alabasta.

Actually Sanji has power and endurance. He shows that a lot even pre-timeskip. Though main issue is Logia intangiblity as he be tricky, but since Sanji is smart fighter, he would figure it out given time to study his opponent just like he figure Bon Clay's DF in same arc.