One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[nik87]

I know, right? Damn too obvious.

Just for laughs...

Mr Nik once claimed in a different argument (Rodger vs WB) that Whitebeard was called the strongest man even when Rodger was alive. Which means he was also stronger than Oden as well.

But now, and this is the humor, he's forgotten his previous argument and is now openly claiming Oden was stronger than Whitebeard, in this different argument.

You gotta chose one and stick to it Bruh...

On a final note, I advice you better revert back to White beared being stronger than Oden else it will have so many repercussions. For starters, it would mean the "world strongest titles" won't be taken seriously when next you argue Mihawk vs Shanks. Just a friendly advice, my good friend...

I didnt forget anything. When I made that argument, we didnt have the chapter of Oden who returned to Wano and fought Kaido.

The hell are you saying?
I think you must've misread the translations. When Oden said if he can't beat Kaido no one else can, he was obviously talking about Wano residents and not the world and mind you Kaido was weaker back then and not yet a Yonko.

What's even more obvious is that the only people trying to beat Kaido were Oden and his scabbards, of whom none of them were at Oden's level at the time. So of course no one (in Wano) will be able to beat Kaido.

He was obviously considering everyone since he included people outside Wano as ppl who will beat him.

I asked for actual proof, not your assumption. Didn't Whitebeard muscle his way into the New World? I find it hard to believe that Oden wouldn't have considered Whitebeard or Rayleigh as having potential to beat Kaidou, especially when the Gorosei thought Marco had the strength to beat Blackbeard.

Read above. Blackbeard is nothing compared to Kaido.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

I asked for actual proof, not your assumption. Didn't Whitebeard muscle his way into the New World? I find it hard to believe that Oden wouldn't have considered Whitebeard or Rayleigh as having potential to beat Kaidou, especially when the Gorosei thought Marco had the strength to beat Blackbeard.

The proof is very clear, Oden is nowhere near WB or Roger's level, neither was Kaido to begin with.
But current Kaido is at his prime and seems every bit as powerful as Whitebeard and Roger. So is Big Mom and Shanks - unsurprising for anyone who is Yonko level.

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He was obviously considering everyone since he included people outside Wano as ppl who will beat him.

Oh really? Tell me the names Oden mentioned

 

[M3J]

You need to start providing proof.

 

[nik87]

Includes people outside of Wano as ppl who will beat Kaido.
Doesnt consider ppl outside of Wano as ppl who cant beat Kaido.
Mental gymnastics 101.

 

[hokageji]

I still consider Rayleigh to be slightly stronger than Oden since a tag team of he and Scopper would have skewered Oden. But since Roger needed Oden alive, they surely wouldn't.

It's a no brainer that the person who handled Oden during the 3 day battle between the RPs and the WBPs was Rayleigh.

you are probably right but thats a discussion for another day.. we are on the same page about Oden's power levels..

 

[M3J]

The proof is very clear, Oden is nowhere near WB or Roger's level, neither was Kaido to begin with.
But current Kaido is at his prime and seems every bit as powerful as Whitebeard and Roger. So is Big Mom and Shanks - unsurprising for anyone who is Yonko level.

He keeps claiming otherwise, though

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

I didnt forget anything. When I made that argument, we didnt have the chapter of Oden who returned to Wano and fought Kaido.

Oden:
1. Ran away from stronger pirates and left Whitebeard to deal with them.
2. Ran away bleeding from Roger after getting hit by him.
3. Was astonished and in awe at the level of hight tier exchange between Roger and Whitebeard
4. Fought a younger, weaker Kaido who he told to get stronger before dying.
5. Is somehow in @nik87 eyes stronger than Whitebeard and everyone else in One Piece world?

Damn mate, you are either confused or lost in the power scaling. What are you on?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Oden:
1. Ran away from stronger pirates and left Whitebeard to deal with them.
2. Ran away bleeding from Roger after getting hit by him.
3. Was astonished and in awe at the level of hight tier exchange between Roger and Whitebeard
4. Fought a younger Kaido who he told to get stronger before dying.
5. Is somehow in @nik87 eyes stronger than Whitebeard and everyone else in One Piece world?

Damn mate, you are either confused or lost in the power scaling. What are you on?

It's called swordboi fever. An extreme case. If any character has a sword they are instantly top tier and can beat anyone....

 

[nik87]

Oden:
1. Ran away from stronger pirates and left Whitebeard to deal with them.
2. Ran away bleeding from Roger after getting hit by him.
3. Was astonished and in awe at the level of hight tier exchange between Roger and Whitebeard
4. Fought a younger, weaker Kaido who he told to get stronger before dying.
5. Is somehow in @nik87 eyes stronger than Whitebeard and everyone else in One Piece world?

Damn mate, you are either confused or lost in the power scaling. What are you on?

You might check manga because 1 and 2 are simply not true lol and dont use mental gymnastics. Manga told you that if Oden cant beat him, no one cant. Everything else is your headcanon.

 

[M3J]

Headcanon like you claiming Oden was talking about Whitebeard as well.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

This panel shows Rayleigh and Scopper Gaban standing to face him, Roger stops Oden and moves him away saying he was protecting his top tiers...

Roger was clearly joking when he said that. I see it as protecting Oden from getting skewered cos Rayleigh looked damn serious in that panel.

Remember Roger had been itching for a fight in that chapter and the first chance he gets with an oncoming Oden - he indulged. Hence Rayleigh's reply.

You might check manga because 1 and 2 are simply not true lol and dont use mental gymnastics. Manga told you that if Oden cant beat him, no one cant. Everything else is your headcanon.

Don't be silly, I just posted a panel of 1 not too long ago.
But a re-read will do you better. Head to chapter 964 for (1.) and 966 for (2.)

Thank me later.

 

[nik87]

Headcanon like you claiming Oden was talking about Whitebeard as well.

Fact of Oden including people outside of Wano.

Don't be silly, I just posted a panel of 1 not too long ago.
But a re-read will do you better. Head to chapter 964 for (1.) and 966 for (2.)

Thank me later.

1. Oden never ran away from "stronger pirates".
2. He never ran away from Roger, he was sprinting towards him after eating a clean slash, a feat nobody else has.
3. Oden who was watching Roger vs WB is not the Oden who returned to Wano many times stronger, triumphant and invincible.
4. Younger Kaido, sure. Weaker? Headcanon. Told him to get stronger individually or as a Yonko because Kaido was gathering forces for five years, not getting stronger individually?
5. If I cant beat him, no one will be able to in long time... Whether he is above, equal or below WB, difference is negligible because neither can beat Kaido the WSC who was confirmed to be stronger than WB in Ace novel.

All your points for nothing... Less headcanon please, as I said.
Why is everyone offended by this sudden top tier that no one saw coming? Was Oda not clear enough that his intention was to wank Oden to high heavens? Is it because he is a swordsman like Zoro or what is the problem about his ridiculous strength?

 

[M3J]

So you have nothing to back your claim up, got it.

 

[Fox666]

What do you mean "that's not what happened"? That's literally what happened, he ended Akainu with 2 punches while holding back.
Akainu didnt lethally wound Whitebeard, the ones who finished off Whitebeard are Blackbeard pirates. If you think missing an ear is lethal, what is Squardo's stab then? What is Kizaru's laser through his chest? What is clean shot in middle of the chest from Akainu? They are all potentially lethal but none of those have stopped the great Whitebeard.

Whitebeard didn't lost just an ear, he lost a portion of his skull. His brains were literally leaking out.

It's the most gruesome injury in the whole manga. Even in One Piece, which characters can't still fight after being impaled, that is bizarre.

The Blackbeard Pirates were all weakling compared to Whitebeard, and only managed to kill him because of the deplorable state he was left after fighting Akainu.

If the Blackbeard Pirates didn't appeared, Whitebeard would have died on his own because of that injury.

 

[nik87]

Whitebeard didn't lost just an ear, he lost a portion of his skull. His brains were literally leaking out.

It's the most gruesome injury in the whole manga. Even in One Piece, which characters can't still fight after being impaled, that is bizarre.

The Blackbeard Pirates were all weakling compared to Whitebeard, and only managed to kill him because of the deplorable state he was left after fighting Akainu.

If the Blackbeard Pirates didn't appeared, Whitebeard would have died on his own because of that injury.

He would have died from Squardo's stab too. That head injury didnt stop him from wiping the floor with both Akainu and Blackbeard.

 

[jaymizzo]

So you have nothing to back your claim up, got it.

Headcanon like you claiming Oden was talking about Whitebeard as well.

Glad you're on board the kingmoe v2 swords edition.

A) Oden proceeds to confront RP, Rayleigh and Gaban want to wreck him, Roger intervenes for the lols and swats him like a fly, WB proceeds to match Roger. Oden = WB/Roger.

B) Oden injures Kaido, Kaido is hurt and goes back to human form, proceeds to OHKO Oden. Oden >= Kaido

Can't really argue with such tremendous use of logic tbh.

 

[M3J]

Didn't I accuse him of that first though? <_<

I don't remember A), honestly, and I'm not interested in rereading the dull flashback. But why would Oden not think Whitebeard or Rayleigh had the best chances of beating Kaidou? Very fishy, given how Whitebeard was considered Roger's only rival. Did Oden know Kaidou was on the same ship as Whitebeard?

 

[nik87]

Glad you're on board the kingmoe v2 swords edition.

A) Oden proceeds to confront RP, Rayleigh and Gaban want to wreck him, Roger intervenes for the lols and swats him like a fly, WB proceeds to match Roger. Oden = WB/Roger.

B) Oden injures Kaido, Kaido is hurt and goes back to human form, proceeds to OHKO Oden. Oden >= Kaido

Can't really argue with such tremendous use of logic tbh.

If you look at it like that no wonder you find it dumb however what does that have to do with me? Because that is not what I said, that is your headcanon.

 

[thedude]

I think this is fair and aligns with what i've been trying to say. Although you've worded it better and with proof. I am not sure if Rayleigh is stronger though, but that's not important. My thoughts are based on this panel:

One Piece Chapter 966 Page 3

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This panel shows Rayleigh and Scopper Gaban standing to face him, Roger stops Oden and moves him away saying he was protecting his top tiers...

Actually, the next page is more proof that Oden wasn't at a Yonko level.

That's such a terrible reading of those panels. It's clear Roger is making an excuse because he wants to fight him. Look at his smiling face, look at their comment "you just want to fight him yourself".

I don't get why people misread things intentionally like this. Is it just to fit a pre-formed judgement you already have?

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I think WB was stronger than Kaido, and by the time they fought, Kaido and Oden were roughly equal. I think without the Momo kidnapping Oden was maybe going to win there. He wasn't Yonko level when he fought WB or Roger, but he was getting there by the time he fought Kaido. Was Kaido a full fledged Yonko then?

In terms of "no one can beat him", i think it's obvious he's talking about Wano, it's position in the world (closed off), and what would happen if he died (it would stay closed, Kaido would be free to do what he wanted because no one in Wano could beat him. Nothing to do with WB or his crew). Any other reading is as people are saying "head cannon".

People trying to stretch words to reach their desired outcome (Kaido>=Oden>everyone else) to reach their true desired outcome (Zoro/Mihawk > Everyone else).

 

[nik87]

In terms of "no one can beat him", i think it's obvious he's talking about Wano

But if that is true, why is he then including outsiders as those who can beat him? It makes no sense to jump between Wano only and the entire world within a sentence...

true desired outcome (Zoro/Mihawk > Everyone else).

These are just facts and inevitable truth, mate.