One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[nik87]

Oh wow, lol.
I'll quote your own words and give my thoughts.
(1)
Lol... But didn't your first source also say Whitebeard was stronger?
All of a sudden... We don't know who is stronger

(2)
What the!?
Pardon? Did I read wrongly or, did you just say Oden was greater than the rest?

(3)
But you were!
WTF
So now we're back to Oden isn't stronger than Whitebeard anymore?! You need to stop contradicting and confusing yourself and everyone. Chose one and stick to it.
Wait... Shouldn't I be the one telling you it's simple arithmetic?!
Bruh... I like you and all but... I don't even know what you're arguing anymore.
Adiós

Ok, seems like I did say Oden>rest. Fair enough. I'll rephrase it later.
Again, when I was claiming that WB is nr1, we didnt have neither the info how strong Oden became nor did we have Ace novel placing Kaido above WB so that doesnt matter. New information appeared and I adjusted my arguments according to that. What is wrong with that?

Oden>rest will be rephrased into No one else being able to do any different than Oden, just like the manga says, if he cant beat him, no one else can.
Among Whitebeard, Roger and Oden doesnt seem to be any significant difference. If Oden and WB cant beat Kaido, Roger cant either. If you want to place Oden way below WB and Roger, be my guest but you are denying what manga says, unless you place Kaido so far up the clouds above everyone.

 

[jaymizzo]

Okay.

 

[nik87]

Okay.

And for the 10th time, that is not the Oden who returned to Wano and fought Kaido. How many times do I need to repeat it until it sinks in?

 

[jaymizzo]

And for the 10th time, that is not the Oden who returned to Wano and fought Kaido. How many times do I need to repeat it until it sinks in?

WB, Roger et al remained stagnant while Oden grew a lot more to become the stronkest.

Okay.

 

[nik87]

WB, Roger et al remained stagnant while Oden grew a lot more to become the stronkest.
Okay.

And where did I say that? Oden just caught up to them...
According to your logic, the enemies of the Strawhats are getting stronger and stronger the stronger Strawhats get.
Poor Zoro will never catch up to Mihawk...

 

[thedude]

I think Oden was clearly at Yonko level at his death, or close to getting there (Kaido wasn't one yet, was he). Still no evidence he was stronger or as strong as WB.

 

[goldb]

Keep it constructive guys, no personal jabs or baiting. Otherwise we just go around the same topics. You don't have to agree with each other, but you can disagree and debate respectfully or move on.
I'll come back to check the posts when I finish work.

 

[thedude]

yeah and one of the yonkou is a swordsman and mihawk is the strongest swordsman

None of the Yonko are swordsmen. Some Yonko use swords. Is Big Mom a swordsman? Was WB, he had one of the 12 great swords?

What we know about Shanks in relation to Mihawk is that they had friendly duels that neither seemed to dominate as swordsmen. And then, despite not having an arm, 6 years later Shanks was strong enough to casually walk onto WB's ship and clash with him, while Mihawk had to try to slash him from 200 meters away (and be blocked by his vice captain).

Mihawk is incredibly strong. He's not on Shanks level. He'd give him a good fight though.

 

[jaymizzo]

And where did I say that? Oden just caught up to them...
According to your logic, the enemies of the Strawhats are getting stronger and stronger the stronger Strawhats get.
Poor Zoro will never catch up to Mihawk...

I mean, Bellamy, Lucci and Cobi got weaker as time went on.

 

[Pirate Queen]

And where did I say that? Oden just caught up to them...
According to your logic, the enemies of the Strawhats are getting stronger and stronger the stronger Strawhats get.
Poor Zoro will never catch up to Mihawk...

Zoro is already Yonko Commander Level so he's already caught up with Mihawk

 

[kcd]

I think Oden was clearly at Yonko level at his death, or close to getting there (Kaido wasn't one yet, was he). Still no evidence he was stronger or as strong as WB.

I agree. He wasn't as strong as WB as you said. Even Nik can't argue that at this point.

One thing the flashback made us understand about Oden was that he was very naive. He wanted to go at it alone. If he had accepted help from the Rodger pirates, or at least asked help from White beard himself, they would've indeed completely defeated Kaido. Thinking otherwise is wrong IMO.

Kaido himself thought he would've had real problems had Oden acted on time. Just the people of Wano alone might've been sufficient had they organized themselves and fought together as one. Honestly, if we add Whitebeard and his crew to the equation, it would've been overkill; they would've completely overwhelmed Kaido. Like, they would've literarily wiped the floor with him easily. I say this because let's not forget, Kaido has been defeated seven times already, so of course Oden with help from WB was a guaranteed victory. It's a no brainer really, lol.

Unless Nik is thinking WB and co. would all form queue to fight Kaido, lol. Maybe while WB is on line waiting for his turn, Marco and Oden would be playing Rock Paper Scissors to determine who goes first

 

[Pirate Queen]

I agree. He wasn't as strong as WB as you said. Even Nik can't argue that at this point.

One thing the flashback made us understand about Oden was that he was very naive. He wanted to go at it alone. If he had accepted help from the Rodger pirates, or at least asked help from White beard himself, they would've indeed completely defeated Kaido. Thinking otherwise is wrong IMO.

Kaido himself thought he would've had real problems had Oden acted on time. Just the people of Wano alone might've been sufficient had they organized themselves and fought together as one. Honestly, if we add Whitebeard and his crew to the equation, it would've been overkill; they would've completely overwhelmed Kaido. Like, they would've literarily wiped the floor with him easily. I say this because let's not forget, Kaido has been defeated seven times already, so of course Oden with help from WB was a guaranteed victory. It's a no brainer really, lol.

Unless Nik is thinking WB and co. would all form queue to fight Kaido, lol. Maybe while WB is on line waiting for his turn, Marco and Oden would be playing Rock Paper Scissors to determine who goes first

Bruh lol this is funny. Dude just keeps getting backed into a corner.

I personally think Whitebeard back then could have solo'd 99% - 100% of Kaido's crew. The entire force of the WBP's is over kill lol.

 

[kcd]

Bruh lol this is funny. Dude just keeps getting backed into a corner.

I personally think Whitebeard back then could have solo'd 99% - 100% of Kaido's crew. The entire force of the WBP's is over kill lol.

Agreed! But I think Nik already have another source to counter it

We wouldn't want "mental gymnastic" now, would we?

 

[nik87]

Zoro is already Yonko Commander Level so he's already caught up with Mihawk

He surpassed YCs but not caught up to Mihawk yet.

I agree. He wasn't as strong as WB as you said. Even Nik can't argue that at this point.

Why wasnt he as strong as Whitebeard?

Oden with help from WB was a guaranteed victory.

"If I failed to defeat him, no one else will be able too either" surely doesnt have Oden in the equation. Oden AND Whitebeard were never in the same sentence, it is each of them separately. By the time Whitebeard gets his chance against Kaido, Oden is long dead. See? No mental gymnastics, just read the manga.

 

[Pirate Queen]

He surpassed YCs but not caught up to Mihawk yet.

No all YC's, hasn't surpassed Vista who can fight to a draw with Mihawk. Got about 6 YC's ahead of him buddy and that's being generous.

Lol

 

[kcd]

"If I failed to defeat him, no one else will be able too either" surely doesnt have Oden in the equation. Oden AND Whitebeard were never in the same sentence, it is each of them separately. By the time Whitebeard gets his chance against Kaido, Oden is long dead. See? No mental gymnastics, just read the manga.

Do you mean this: "If I failed to defeat him, no one else will be able too either"

I think you're quoting me out of context. I wasn't talking about Oden's words per se, rather, how naive he was and how he would've easily won had he accepted or asked for help. He had no right dying the way he did, but I guess that's how plot wanted it.

But on my earlier point, it's irrefutable that Kaido have lost seven times, and Oden would've added one to that number had whitebeard come along, no?

 

[thedude]

He surpassed YCs but not caught up to Mihawk yet.

Why wasnt he as strong as Whitebeard?

"If I failed to defeat him, no one else will be able too either" surely doesnt have Oden in the equation. Oden AND Whitebeard were never in the same sentence, it is each of them separately. By the time Whitebeard gets his chance against Kaido, Oden is long dead. See? No mental gymnastics, just read the manga.

Katakuri would wipe the floor with Zoro unless he decided to let him grow the way he did Luffy. He has not surpassed YC's. Hopefully, he'll surpass one this arc, but that still won't mean he's a sure bet to beat any/all of them.

 

[nik87]

He had no right dying the way he did,

So, that is the problem? You not being satisfied with Oden... Asking help has nothing to do with him not being able to beat Kaido nor anyone else.
Let's stick to material that actually happened in manga and let's throw away the imaginary "could have asked WB for help" arugments, that has never been the point. The point was "If I cant beat him, no one else can in long time".

But on my earlier point, it's irrefutable that Kaido have lost seven times, and Oden would've added one to that number had whitebeard come along, no?

Again, what does this have to do with the 1vs1 that Oden spoke of? Of course they would have defeated him but it doesnt matter.

Katakuri would wipe the floor with Zoro unless he decided to let him grow the way he did Luffy. He has not surpassed YC's. Hopefully, he'll surpass one this arc, but that still won't mean he's a sure bet to beat any/all of them.

Katakuri with his 54-hit special that cant take Luffy out? He is nothing to Zoro. King is far superior to Katakuri and we will see how Zoro performs against him.

 

[thedude]

So, that is the problem? You not being satisfied with Oden... Asking help has nothing to do with him not being able to beat Kaido nor anyone else.
Let's stick to material that actually happened in manga and let's throw away the imaginary "could have asked WB for help" arugments, that has never been the point. The point was "If I cant beat him, no one else can in long time".

Again, what does this have to do with the 1vs1 that Oden spoke of? Of course they would have defeated him but it doesnt matter.

Katakuri with his 54-hit special that cant take Luffy out? He is nothing to Zoro. King is far superior to Katakuri and we will see how Zoro performs against him.

Luffy is of course stronger than Zoro, so yes, I think he'd take Zoro out with his superior Haki.

There is nothing to show King being superior, let alone far superior, to Katakuri. Can you stop with your "headcanon"?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Katakuri with his 54-hit special that cant take Luffy out? He is nothing to Zoro. King is far superior to Katakuri and we will see how Zoro performs against him.

Without a SINGLE shred of evidence you claim this and then expect people to take you seriously?