One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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• We will strive to avoid repetitive discussions and any extensive battle topics will be guided to the Davy Back fight to existing threads or new ones can be made there.

As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

If you wish to continue any of these discussion and remove it from the list, you will need to provide manga material as proof. If there's also anything you think we've covered numerous times, let me know and I'll update the list.

This is the only warning there'll be regarding these ground rules, anything no adhering will be removed. So please just check your posts before posting them.

 

[nik87]

Steel isn't nearly as impressive in One Piece as some people make it out to be... breaking steel is not even something Luffy has to do to defeat Mr 1, though he's show he certainly can. All he has to do is damage steel, with is easily enough to do for someone who can punch as strong as Luffy.
If you slammed a sledgehammer into a solid steel beam, you are going to see far more damage than if you swung a sword at it with the same force.
Final piece that I'm sure someone will down play, if Mr. 1 is impervious to formed of blunt damage, why does he even bother to dodge Mr. 2?

Steel isnt impressive, bodies are and then do that one up by making the body into steel.
Mr1 said that blows and cuts do not matter to him. Before you bring another translation, this is from Stephen Paul.
There is no proof of blunt damage harming Mr1. Why he dodged Mr2? Beats me, he has shown that when hit by him, he took no damage.
"All he has to do is damage the steel..." Zoro has damaged steel and did nothing to Mr1.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Steel isnt impressive, bodies are and then do that one up by making the body into steel.
Mr1 said that blows and cuts do not matter to him. Before you bring another translation, this is from Stephen Paul.
There is no proof of blunt damage harming Mr1. Why he dodged Mr2? Beats me, he has shown that when hit by him, he took no damage.
"All he has to do is damage the steel..." Zoro has damaged steel and did nothing to Mr1.

Mr.1 hyping himself up to be invulnerable to damage is your proof Luffy can't hurt him? What a poor arguement again.

Every enemy claims they are overly strong only to be defeated in the end. That's not proof at all. Crocodile did it and Luffy fucked him up.

What does translation have to do with anything? Use your eyes to see Mr. 1 clearly trying to avoid getting hit by Mr.2.

You claim you don't know why but I do. Clearly he dodged because if he gets hit it will affect him in some way.

If he's worried about Mr. 2 hitting him, what happens if he faces a vastly stronger opponent like Luffy?

Breaking steel and damaging steel are 2 different things. Your don't need to break steel to damage it. I doubt you can BREAK Mr. 1's body(which you have stated in the past), but you can certainly damage it.

 

[XXGenesis]

Who fights with guns?

Doffy, Diamante, Trebol, Don Kreig, Ben Beckman, Van augur ...BM's Crew, Kiadou's Crew, Marine...Do I need to name more?

Who are those stronger H2H/DF users than Swordsmen?

Who is owning those swordsmen? People much stronger than them?

If they are getting owned, then Yes by ppl Stronger than them.
Luffy vs Arlong(he used a sword)
Zoro vs Lucci( DF/H2H)
Zoro vs Rust Rust Marine(DF user)
Sabo vs Bastille

As I said, we have yet to see a swordsman getting their ass kicked by ~equal opponent, on panel.

Because to keep weapon users threatening overall throughout the manga. ODA cant have prominent weapon users losing left to non person users, it would make their characters suffer if they always lost to H2H combatants....

Vista still cant defeat Akainu, Garp, Sengoku, BB.

Law still got owned by Doffy.

My point is, there are more potent H2H/DF users than Swordsman.

Luffy fought against high fodder marines with swords during the Paramount War. Yes he got injured but he dealt with them pretty handidly.

 

[nik87]

What does translation have to do with anything? Use your eyes to see Mr. 1 clearly trying to avoid getting hit by Mr.2.
You claim you don't know why but I do. Clearly he dodged because if he gets hit it will affect him in some way.

Manga disagrees with you. It both shows Mr1 taking no damage from Mr2's hit and shows him saying blows do nothing to him.

Mr.1 hyping himself up to be invulnerable to damage is your proof Luffy can't hurt him? What a poor arguement again.
Every enemy claims they are overly strong only to be defeated in the end. That's not proof at all. Crocodile did it and Luffy fucked him up.

Mr1 said that blows and cuts dont affect him and oh, look, Zoro couldnt do shit to him. Until he learned Haki. Luffy has no haki and even with it, there is no guarantee he can harm/win against Mr1.

Breaking steel and damaging steel are 2 different things. Your don't need to break steel to damage it. I doubt you can BREAK Mr. 1's body(which you have stated in the past), but you can certainly damage it.

Why didnt Zoro damage it then?

Doffy, Diamante, Trebol, Don Kreig, Ben Beckman, Van augur ...BM's Crew, Kiadou's Crew, Marine...Do I need to name more?

Are those gun scenes on Doffy, Trebol, Diamante relevant to be mentioned? Sure, the others are using guns as their primary combat weapon...

If they are getting owned, then Yes by ppl Stronger than them.
Luffy vs Arlong(he used a sword)
Zoro vs Lucci( DF/H2H)
Zoro vs Rust Rust Marine(DF user)
Sabo vs Bastille

You really arent helping your own argument with this... Zoro doesnt need swords to own people who are severely weaker than him either...
When has a barehanded combatant handled an ~equal swordsman on panel in a battle that was concluded? Rekting fodder is irrelevant.

Because to keep weapon users threatening overall throughout the manga. ODA cant have prominent weapon users losing left to non person users, it would make their characters suffer if they always lost to H2H combatants....
Vista still cant defeat Akainu, Garp, Sengoku, BB.
Law still got owned by Doffy.
My point is, there are more potent H2H/DF users than Swordsman.
Luffy fought against high fodder marines with swords during the Paramount War. Yes he got injured but he dealt with them pretty handidly.

Swordsmen are not the ones who are at disadvantage, the others are and the plot has to write around it aka off-panel such match-ups and write Luffy's future matches against non-swordsmen aka make people discard their weapons so Luffy stands a chance...

Vista is almost a fodder to all those you mentioned... Law is almost fodder to Doffy... Why does it matter that there are more H2H than swordsmen?
When Luffy fights swordsmen, the plot has to play dumb, we have seen it too many times to pretend that it isnt like that.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Why didnt Zoro damage it then?
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Because Zoro isnt as strong as Luffy. As stated by Oda and the manga.

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I used to think Mr. 1 would defeat Luffy and even argued against Luffy, but having read the manga all over again and rereading chapters I havent in many years... Luffy would defeat Mr. 1 easily as I was basing Mr 1 beating him off of memory.

It's a shitty match up for Luffy, but Luffy would win.

 

[nik87]

Because Zoro isnt as strong as Luffy. As stated by Oda and the manga.

Manga literally proved you wrong just before Alabasta, in Whiskey Peak...

 

[Pirate Queen]

Manga literally proved you wrong just before Alabasta, in Whiskey Peak...

Where Zoro should have "won" because he has an advantage over Luffy because he was a swordsman, but couldn't?

Yeah, sure lol

Which wrong way do you argue this?

Zoro was stronger at Whiskey Peak?Wrong because the fight ended without him winning or even looking more impressive.

Or

They WERE equal. BUT WAIT that can't happen because that would mean Luffy can deal with swordsmen just as easily as he can deal with any other type of opponent without showing him at a disadvantage.

Clinging to a fight that barely lasted 2 minutes real time to base an entire arguement on is kinda cringy.

And now after 20 years Zoro isnt even the 2nd strongest crew member currently. Damn that's gotta be frustrating for you lol.

 

[nik87]

Where Zoro should have "won" because he has an advantage over Luffy because he was a swordsman, but couldn't?
Yeah, sure lol

How is that helping your earlier argument that was proven wrong?

 

[Pirate Queen]

How is that helping your earlier argument that was proven wrong?

Wasn't proven wrong. You just don't understand when your countered

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Luffy's punches could be far more devastating but Zoro's slashes can prove more lethal.

The arguement was dealing damage. Luffy is strong enough to damage steel. Zoro can't cut through steel despite it being more lethal.

 

[nik87]

Wasn't proven wrong. You just don't understand when your countered

Your argument was "Luffy can beat Mr1 because he is much stronger than Zoro."
Manga: No he isnt. He isnt stronger at all.
You: You got countered.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Your argument was "Luffy can beat Mr1 because he is much stronger than Zoro."
Manga: No he isnt. He isnt stronger at all.
You: You got countered.

Zoro is weaker than Luffy. Stated by Oda. Fact. You are countered

 

[nik87]

Luffy is strong enough to damage steel.

Zoro is too, didnt help vs Mr1.

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Zoro is weaker than Luffy. Stated by Oda. Fact. You are countered

Read Whiskey Peak again. You countered yourself.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Zoro is too, didnt help vs Mr1.

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Read Whiskey Peak again. You countered yourself.

The fight never concluded. You literally cant prove Zoro is stronger if the fight never ended.

Oda>You

Like I said. Tour arguement is baseless

 

[nik87]

The fight never concluded. You literally cant prove Zoro is stronger if the fight never ended.
Oda>You
Like I said. Tour arguement is baseless

The truth you want to escape but cant...
Luffy was never above Zoro, he at best was equal to Zoro and only because of the mighty flip-flops.
In Alabasta, Zoro gains Haki power-up, Luffy gains nothing.
In Skypiea, Zoro gains flying slashes, Luffy gains nothing.
In EL, Luffy gains G2 and G3 which need half an arc to take the opponent out, Zoro neg diffs his opponent the moment he tapped into Asura.
In TB, Zoro gains Shusui and dwarfs Luffy's endurance like a boss, Luffy gains nothing.
In TS, Zoro gains the best trainer a swordsman could ask for, Luffy doesnt get anyone who can improve a rubberman.
And the trend continues seeing how casual Zoro's strikes dwarf Luffy's DC in both G3 and G4.
Luffy being stronger than Zoro was always just a dream.

 

[Pirate Queen]

The truth you want to escape but cant...
Luffy was never above Zoro, he at best was equal to Zoro and only because of the mighty flip-flops.

Luffy being stronger than Zoro was always just a dream.

All that writing just to prove you are irredeemably biased

*oof*

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Nothing you argue can counter this.

Sorry, not sorry

 

[nik87]

All that writing just to prove you are irredeemably biased

*oof*

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Nothing you argue can counter this.
Sorry, not sorry

Manga material(WP)>non-manga material(VC). Not sorry either.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Manga material(WP)>non-manga material(VC). Not sorry either.

Manga material also proves Luffy is stronger. While your stuck on a half fight 20 years ago, Luffy has been fucking up major opponents while Zoro has been feed subordinates.

Again. 2nd to the Captain. It ain't changing.

 

[nik87]

Manga material also proves Luffy is stronger. While your stuck on a half fight 20 years ago, Luffy has been fucking up major opponents while Zoro has been feed subordinates.
Again. 2nd to the Captain. It ain't changing.

That is not proving Luffy stronger, lmao.

 

[Pirate Queen]

That is not proving Luffy stronger, lmao.

But this does

Mine proof is current. Yours is from 20 years ago. Which is more believable?

Wait, don't answer that lol

 

[nik87]

But this does

Mine proof is current. Yours is from 20 years ago. Which is more believable?
Wait, don't answer that lol

Mine is from manga itself. Where is yours from?