One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[HereNThere]

Sabo appeared to be at disadvantage against Fujitora, and he should be stronger than anyone but Dragon among the revolutionaries.

But it was 4 against 2.

Considering we can count the people who we've seen go toe to toe with an Admiral on one hand, I'd say Sabo did rather well. I don't think Fujitora was shown to have any real advantage over him and if he did have one, it wasn't overwhelming.

They had the numbers advantage, but given what we know about an Admiral's weight class, I'd say it's impressive that even just two Revolutionary Captains can potentially equal up to an Admiral's power.

 

[Fox666]

Considering we can count the people who we've seen go toe to toe with an Admiral on one hand, I'd say Sabo did rather well. I don't think Fujitora was shown to have any real advantage over him and if he did have one, it wasn't overwhelming.

I was under the impression Fujitora was not fighting seriously against Sabo, given the situation in Dressrosa.

Nonetheless, Fujitora was mostly untouched, while he pressured Sabo a few tims.

They had the numbers advantage, but given what we know about an Admiral's weight class, I'd say it's impressive that even just two Revolutionary Captains can potentially equal up to an Admiral's power.

We don't know what happened in the battle, so it's hard to tell.

However the revolutionaries wanted to rescue Kuma, while they could easily escape the place with Morley's power. If they failed to rescue Kuma, then it's the Admiral's victories.

And something happened to Sabo too.

 

[M3J]

I think as a general rule if the GOROSEI or WORLD GOVERNMENT themselves mention you, you are above the norm so I wouldn't mind putting Roo or Yassop at YC+.

I don't like this logic because while Luffy is above the norm, he wasn't really a standout in general and would have been wrecked in the Marineford War or after the timeskip without training. Prior to Wano, he couldn't even do a thing to an Emperor.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I don't like this logic because while Luffy is above the norm, he wasn't really a standout in general and would have been wrecked in the Marineford War or after the timeskip without training. Prior to Wano, he couldn't even do a thing to an Emperor.

Yet Luffy has shown the most advanced growth out of anyone in one piece outside of his true rival BB and went from a no name to verging on Yonko level while commanding a fleet of 5000+.

Whether he can do a thing to an emperor or not doesnt really matter as we have pirates who have been pirates for DECADES as STILL can't scratch a Yonko... it took Luffy 2 years from nearly losing to Buggy to fighting Kaido which is a mere blink to the Gorosei who have watched the balance for decades.

 

[M3J]

But if Luffy fought Big Mom or Kaidou intent on killing him, Luffy would have been dead. Being strong enough to hurt an emperor does matter if you're going to challenge four emperors.
I did agree that he's above norm though.

 

[Fox666]

Here is my updated tier list

I added some labels so the n00bs now can understand

 

[M3J]

Why isn't Garp on the same tier with Roger? And I thought old Whitebeard was top tier as well as he was able to keep knocking down Akainu and take damage after damage and still fight.

 

[Fox666]

Whitebeard attacked Akainu by surprised, yet Akainu managed to melt half of his face. Akainu was still destroying everything in front of him, while Whitebeard was in a near-death state because of what Akainu did to him.

Whitebeard, Roger or Kaido appear to have a bigger fame than Garp. There's no other way to measure them yet.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Here is my updated tier list

I added some labels so the n00bs now can understand

I jus don't understand why you don't have Garp on the same tier as WB and Roger. It makes the rest of you list look biased i think.... its not even debatable that he is on the same tier as them.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

The two giants on yonkoulevel? Sanji and Zoro below P1, Vergo and Sanjis Brother? Whats your reasoning on this?

 

[Fox666]

I jus don't understand why you don't have Garp on the same tier as WB and Roger. It makes the rest of you list look biased i think.... its not even debatable that he is on the same tier as them.

As I explained before, Garp doesn't have the same fame as Roger or Whitebeard, and his fame is all we know.

Also, wouldn't the Whitebeard Pirates know Garp's strength very well? They seemed be panic a little seeing Garp in Marineford, but I think their reaction would have been way worse with Roger.

The two giants on yonkoulevel? Sanji and Zoro below P1, Vergo and Sanjis Brother? Whats your reasoning on this?

The Giant Warrior Pirates were said to have "terrorized the world" back then. The Marines even dropped executing some members of the crew on Marineford, fearing it would lead to a war with the giants. I haven't heard of any treat of that level, except for the Yonko. Plus Dorry and Brogy released a sword attack very similar to Big Mom.

Sanji and Smoker had a very hard time against Vergo. Also Ceasar and Doflamingo claimed Vergo could defeat Law.

Page One seemed to not take much damage from Sanji, while Sanji implied Page One attacks would be bad for him wasn't for the extra protection from the Raid Suit.

Ichiji punched Perosperos and overpowered Oven.

 

[Pirate Queen]

As I explained before, Garp doesn't have the same fame as Roger or Whitebeard, and his fame is all we know.

Also, wouldn't the Whitebeard Pirates know Garp's strength very well? They seemed be panic a little seeing Garp in Marineford, but I think their reaction would have been way worse with Roger.

Not a good enough reason when you have Roger himself stating he and Garp nearly killed eachother many times.


As for the panic, again incorrect because we saw in the flashback that they willingly went to war with the Roger Pirates and there was no panic either....

None of em look panicked to me...

And then putting Rocks so low?

 

[Shasha23]

Here is my updated tier list

I added some labels so the n00bs now can understand

• Garp too low
• Xebec too low
• Brogy and Dorry too high
• Mihawk too low
• Doffy too high
• Sabo too low
• Crocodile way too high
• Zoro way to low
• noway Sanji is lower than Vergo

Your list is a mess full of inconsistencies and misinformation

 

[goldb]

Here is my updated tier list

I added some labels so the n00bs now can understand

I think it's a fine idea to have pre and post-timeskip versions of certain characters like the Strawhats and Supernova, but additional sub-categories like forms and arc versions are just...pendantic to me. For example all that's really important is whether we're measuring their strength as they are now for characters like Strawhats and older charaters( Garp, Rayleigh, Sengoku, Whitebeard) or how they strong they were before the timeskip or flashback (for said older characters).

Other than that, kudos for the time you've taken to create this from scratch. I might weigh in actual rankings later.

 

[Holt]

Whitebeard attacked Akainu by surprised, yet Akainu managed to melt half of his face. Akainu was still destroying everything in front of him, while Whitebeard was in a near-death state because of what Akainu did to him.

Whitebeard, Roger or Kaido appear to have a bigger fame than Garp. There's no other way to measure them yet.

WB was in a near death state the whole battle. We saw already his reflexes were basically gone as at marineford. He took a full blown punch to the face and still pummeled Akainu to the ground again. Then went on to do same to BB and finally fell after tanking combo multiple point-blank attacks from the BBPs.

Prime Garp/Sengoku are definitely Roger/WB tier. Roger himself acknowledged this. Kaido on the same tier with Prime Roger and WB is too much imo.

Shanks lower than the others tbh is very weird. Akainu stood down when he saw Shanks, even before anyone said anything. Shanks went on to WB's ship and clashed with WB with no issues. Stopped Kaido from reaching the war, blocked Akainu's punch easily, and forced literally everyone at the war to stand down..Not sure why you would have him lower than Akainu and on the same tier with Kizaru/Aokiji. Also weird that you would have Oden on A+ when you put Shanks on A. Rayleigh a tier under kizaru when he was taking on Kizaru + Pacifista is also puzzling.

The supernovas on the same tier with Luffy, Sabo, Jinbei, Cracker is also weird. Then you have the scabbards below them? Denjiro, Ashura, JACK??, Inu/Neko below these supernovas? Burgess, Vergo, Chinjao same tier? And Zoro so many tiers below the supernovas even after what he did to Hawkins?

 

[goldb]

Personally, I decided to go for a more linear route and base everything on current strength, which in Whitebeard/Roger's case would be at the time of their deaths. That means for characters like Garp, Rayleigh and Sengoku, they'd rank lower than they probably would've been in their prime.

I've decided to remove Shiki from my list altogether and I'll explain why. While he has amazing flashback feats (fighting both Garp and Sengoku, causing the destruction of half of Marineford), he's not appeared in the main story and his defeat to a pre-timeskip movie Luffy does nothing for his standing among the majority of these characters. So as much of a legend he may have been or being mentioned by Whitebeard or Brannew, it's a ball-ache trying to guesstimate his current level.

Also splitting the YC commander ranking as I posted earlier that I was a bit iffy about it and especially not really knowing the true strength of most WB commanders. I've labeled it "Strength" and "Rank/Potential". I've dumped all the Whitebeard commanders in the latter, whose strength I can't gauge or don't see defeating any in the strength category. Also there, are characters who I feel have the potential to be commanders, like Perospero, Amande, Kid, Law, etc.

ALSO noone notice I had fucking Tilestone ranked as Yonkou Commander on the original one LOL! I don't even know who I had mistaken him for.

Spoiler: BAJOON TSU

 

[Shasha23]

Personally, I decided to go for a more linear route and base everything on current strength, which in Whitebeard/Roger's case would be at the time of their deaths. That means for characters like Garp, Rayleigh and Sengoku, they'd rank lower than they probably would've been in their prime.

I've decided to remove Shiki from my list altogether and I'll explain why. While he has amazing flashback feats (fighting both Garp and Sengoku, causing the destruction of half of Marineford), he's not appeared in the main story and his defeat to a pre-timeskip movie Luffy does nothing for his standing among the majority of these characters. So as much of a legend he may have been or being mentioned by Whitebeard or Brannew, it's a ball-ache trying to guesstimate his current level.

Also splitting the YC commander ranking as I posted earlier that I was a bit iffy about it and especially not really knowing the true strength of most WB commanders. I've labeled it "Strength" and "Rank/Potential". I've dumped all the Whitebeard commanders in the latter, whose strength I can't gauge or don't see defeating any in the strength category. Also there, are characters who I feel have the potential to be commanders, like Perospero, Amande, Kid, Law, etc.

ALSO noone notice I had fucking Tilestone ranked as Yonkou Commander on the original one LOL! I don't even know who I had mistaken him for.

Spoiler: BAJOON TSU

• Mihawk cant be lower than another swordsman
• Ryuuma is the reason the WG gave up taking over Wano, his legendary status is unquestionable
• Doffy is way too high
• Crocodile is way too high
• Killer way too low
• Koby too high as well

 

[M3J]

Whitebeard attacked Akainu by surprised, yet Akainu managed to melt half of his face. Akainu was still destroying everything in front of him, while Whitebeard was in a near-death state because of what Akainu did to him.

Whitebeard, Roger or Kaido appear to have a bigger fame than Garp. There's no other way to measure them yet.

Whitebeard was in near-death state even before reaching Marineford, and many characters themselves say if not for that, then Whitebeard would have done much better like not get stabbed by Squardo. Whitebeard was still fighting even after all the attacks and getting half his face burned away, and he died after Blackbeard crew ganged up on him.

I mean, they're pirates and seen as villains, often enough, while Garp is a hero. Of course pirates will be talked about more.

As I explained before, Garp doesn't have the same fame as Roger or Whitebeard, and his fame is all we know.

Also, wouldn't the Whitebeard Pirates know Garp's strength very well? They seemed be panic a little seeing Garp in Marineford, but I think their reaction would have been way worse with Roger.

Yes he does. I forgot if Big Mom knew him, but Chinjao definitely did. Whitebeard also acknowledged Garp, and Garp is known as the hero of the Marines. Garp's fame is also apparently why he hasn't been killed or fired from the Marines as well.

Nah, it'd have either been the same or nowhere near bad as Roger and Whitebeard seemed to have friendly rivalry. Plus, Whitebeard did say "he's just an old man," as if trying to make Garp not look as intimidating.

 

[nik87]

Personally, I decided to go for a more linear route and base everything on current strength, which in Whitebeard/Roger's case would be at the time of their deaths. That means for characters like Garp, Rayleigh and Sengoku, they'd rank lower than they probably would've been in their prime.

I've decided to remove Shiki from my list altogether and I'll explain why. While he has amazing flashback feats (fighting both Garp and Sengoku, causing the destruction of half of Marineford), he's not appeared in the main story and his defeat to a pre-timeskip movie Luffy does nothing for his standing among the majority of these characters. So as much of a legend he may have been or being mentioned by Whitebeard or Brannew, it's a ball-ache trying to guesstimate his current level.

Also splitting the YC commander ranking as I posted earlier that I was a bit iffy about it and especially not really knowing the true strength of most WB commanders. I've labeled it "Strength" and "Rank/Potential". I've dumped all the Whitebeard commanders in the latter, whose strength I can't gauge or don't see defeating any in the strength category. Also there, are characters who I feel have the potential to be commanders, like Perospero, Amande, Kid, Law, etc.

ALSO noone notice I had fucking Tilestone ranked as Yonkou Commander on the original one LOL! I don't even know who I had mistaken him for.

Spoiler: BAJOON TSU

Looks better but Kid, Law, Kuma and Zoro deserve at least one tier bump up if my prediction of their PL is right.
Also, dunno how you justify Shanks and BM above Mihawk.

 

[Shasha23]

Yes he does. I forgot if Big Mom knew him, but Chinjao definitely did. Whitebeard also acknowledged Garp, and Garp is known as the hero of the Marines. Garp's fame is also apparently why he hasn't been killed or fired from the Marines as well.

Nah, it'd have either been the same or nowhere near bad as Roger and Whitebeard seemed to have friendly rivalry. Plus, Whitebeard did say "he's just an old man," as if trying to make Garp not look as intimidating.

Yeap when Linlin heard Luffy introduce himself as "Monkey D." she paused and thought about it and said Ohh Garp's grandson