One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Deleted member 169696]

Initially posted this in Zoro's thread, but decided to move it here. I know people are tired of this topic already but I can't help but throw my two cents as some people tend to forget some things and I really want to remind them.

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People seem to conveniently forget that good swordsmen can choose what they want to cut.

The slash that Mihawk sent towards Whitebeard was intended to hit Whitebeard, not Jozu, who just so happens to have a very convenient devil fruit ability to stop things like slashes.

We don't even know any details regarding that slash. Was it really the strongest slash in Mihawk's arsenal? Doubt that — unnamed attack. Could Mihawk launch an even stronger unnamed slash? It's not impossible.

Was Jozu only using his devil fruit power or was he also using armament haki?

Could Mihawk cut Jozu if he REALLY wanted to? I believe he could. But again, we lack specifics.

And also an interesting idea to consider. What reasons aside from being a part of the World Government does Mihawk have to even go all out in the setting of a war against a Yonko?

I believe there really isn't much that could motivate Mihawk. He was testing people, and having fun, but was only challenged by Vista, who Mihawk knew wasn't a match for him.

Kokutō is a very clear indication for me that Mihawk has superior armament haki than Shanks.

 

[King Moe]

All in the title, as of right now, chapter 978. Who would you say is the 2nd most powerful Mugiwara... Jinbe or Zoro ?

Sanji honestly on more better feats and opponent beating history.

Though between Jimbei and Zoro. Jimbei really backhand him a lot as don't see Zoro beating him if Kamazou and Gyukimaro is all it took to take him down. Jimbei looks more surperior and stronger on portrayal.

 

[King Moe]

So from Franky, Brook, Robin, Chopper, Nami, and Usopp, which T6H will they face and why? Also do you think they are ready to beat someone like that as the war goes on as warm-up fight or final fight? What you all think?

 

[thedude]

In OP all horrible leaders/king have all been powerful, for me its obvious Im is extremely strong to be able to rule the World.

Katakuri was a step ahead but not miles ahead, if the gap between him and Luffy was that much he would have ended Luffy pretty easily but he couldn't because he wasn't that far ahead of Luffy, and at that point Luffy was nearly YC level, trade out Katakuri with Marco, Ben or King then Luffy would have been done in pretty easily.
The sweet commanders are strong but are not comparable to their other counterparts, Shanks's commanders are said to be top tires and Ben is said to rival Shanks in terms of strength, Shiryu made even Blackbeard nervous, Marco had the potential to be a yonko and King was confident of stoping Big Mum and her kids solo, while Katakuri was afraid of rampaging Big Mum and count even beat Luffy who at the point was nowhere near YC1.

Oda never put statement like that for nothing, we learned Kid got to Big Mum territory and got away with no damage after getting what he wanted, he survived a clash with the Redhaired Pirates and Kaido and has CoC, BB became a yonko and Drake is someone who can replace a hight tire YC if he wanted. It isn't wise to just ignore a statement like that from Oda IMO.

I gave pretty solid proof as to why Ace wasnt as strong as Jozu, Vista and Marco, none of those 3 lost out in a clash with Aokiji, Mihawk and Kizaru, they were able to trade a few blows with Marco and Jozu even landing hits on Aokiji and Kizaru, while Ace tried to clash with Akainu and was defeated in 1 hit, i cant place someone like that with the top 3 since they did far better than him. Im not saying Ace is weak he is probably YC2 level while Jozu, Vista and Marco are YC1 level

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They collided an attack each that's not a clash, Marco was capable of taking Kizarus attacks and even landing attacks on Aokiji and Kizaru, Vista was able to trade sword clashes with Mihawk and Jozu was able to hold of Aokiji for a period of time, none of them where defeated in a single trade like Ace!

Just because Ace is not as strong a Jozu, Marco and Vista doesn't mean he is weak, you guys seem to think just because someone is placed lower than others means they are weak for some reason.............

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• Then shouldn't it be that until proven Shanks is stronger? its only natural to place the stronger character higher and not place him lower than another which is contradictory to the story
• Ryuuma lead the samurai of Wano back then, so for me at the very least it proves he was truly a legend.
• Even if he is, he is at the very bottom of the pecking order so his ranking should show it, he would be no match for any YC2 i even have doubts he would beat Jack or Cracker, but you place him as high as Katakuri who was fighting of G4 Luffy and even besting it, while Doffy was no match at all for G4
• Until he shows he has progressed that much ill never place him over Smoker, let alone place him with YC2 people who would destroy him
• Zoro didn't think Vergo was anything special but though Killer/Kamazo was strong yet you place Vergo over him?
• Yes he is part of the party going after Boa and that chapter also implies Fujitora is on the ship, so that's not an up for him its just shows many marines are going after Boa. Koby has progressed but not to the point where he can be in the same level as KIller and Moria that's just impossible

Did Zoro actually think nothing of Vergo, or are you making that up?

Killer hasn't done anything impressive. You build him up to give Zoro a feat.

 

[Fox666]

People seem to conveniently forget that good swordsmen can choose what they want to cut.

The slash that Mihawk sent towards Whitebeard was intended to hit Whitebeard, not Jozu, who just so happens to have a very convenient devil fruit ability to stop things like slashes.

You forgot to mention that Daz Bones also deflected an slash from Mihawk, but seconds later Mihawk cut him like paper.

 

[Aliocha]

So, does Katakuri's CoO make it a higher level?

 

[Fox666]

I simply don't think Mihawk is as strong as Ryuma was in his prime. Mihawk is the WSS not the Strongest Swordaman who has ever lived, unless their is proof im placing Ruuma>Mihawk... but like i said before, all debateable.

Only reason I placed him him at all is because of the Wano thing. I didnt place Dragon or I'lm because I'm an in the dark as to their abilities.

I don't think Ryuuma is limited by Mihawk. He's from centuries ago, and from an isolated country.

 

[HereNThere]

I don't want to police topics but...we've done this song and dance a million times before and no one ever relents on their arguments. There is nothing new to discuss about it.

If ya'll are going back into Shanks vs Mihawk, it's getting deleted. Everything else is cool still.

 

[Fox666]

Excluding Luffy, none of the Strawhats stand a chance against Jinbe. And even Luffy would need Gear 4.

 

[Shasha23]

@eefrit if so then why are you deleting my post addressing @thedude regarding Killer and Vergo?

Anyway

Did Zoro actually think nothing of Vergo, or are you making that up?

Killer hasn't done anything impressive. You build him up to give Zoro a feat.

Go reread PH when Sanji leaves to go fight Vergo and Zoro comments on it.

Why is everything about Zoro with you? man your really starting to get annoying, also what does Killer have to do with Zoro anyway, please leave your Zoro boner somewhere else when replying to me please, Jesus!

Killer is part of the worst gen, he was capable to fight Kaido to the point where the yonko was impressed by him and wanted to make him into a subordinate, its pretty foolish to underestimate someone like that!

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You forgot to mention that Daz Bones also deflected an slash from Mihawk, but seconds later Mihawk cut him like paper.

Why are you quoting other people and putting my name as if I'm the one who said that?

can you people stop trolling for once

 

[Pirate Queen]

I don't think Ryuuma is limited by Mihawk. He's from centuries ago, and from an isolated country.

I never said he was limited by Mihawk. I simply think Ryuma > Mihawk

 

[Deleted member 169696]

I don't want to police topics but...we've done this song and dance a million times before and no one ever relents on their arguments. There is nothing new to discuss about it.

If ya'll are going back into Shanks vs Mihawk, it's getting deleted. Everything else is cool still.

That's why the Mihawk vs Shanks thread was absolutely necessary... I mean how can you limit people's desire to express their opinions on this topic?

Where else should they discuss this if not in this thread now that the mods here closed that other thread...?

It's really annoying. I thought we were living in a society where freedom of speech isn't something illegal.

 

[M3J]

Ace wasnt so strong. He had two "fights" on screen, he lost both VERY clearly. Marco, Jozu and Vista did hold their ground against similar foes and had a better showing then Ace just making a fireball.

Jozu getting tied up, is true but at that point doffy wasnt his opponent, so he was catched by surprise.

Probably not what you're talking about, but despite Jinbei being his natural enemy due to water vs. fire, Ace still managed to fight Jinbei for days and still have enough power to create a fire wall to protect his crew.

I also don't see what's wrong with Ace's hype helping influence how strong we think he is, as even the WG paid attention to him.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

So from Franky, Brook, Robin, Chopper, Nami, and Usopp, which T6H will they face and why? Also do you think they are ready to beat someone like that as the war goes on as warm-up fight or final fight? What you all think?

I really want to believe that these SHs that you've mentioned will receive good treatment from Oda. And won't be used to only fight fodder...

I mean I get it... We don't have time for every strawhat to engage in a serious fight, but man do I want Usopp to finally fight someone legitimately strong AND win.

Same for Franky, Brook... Robin and Chopper... Couldn't care less, actually...

I think that Franky, Robin and Brook should definitely pair up with the Tobi Roppo though.

 

[goldb]

That's why the Mihawk vs Shanks thread was absolutely necessary... I mean how can you limit people's desire to express their opinions on this topic?

Where else should they discuss this if not in this thread now that the mods here closed that other thread...?

It's really annoying. I thought we were living in a society where freedom of speech isn't something illegal.

That thread wasn't supposed to be a Shanks v Mihawk thread, rather a comparison thread but unfortunately Roger was essentially ignored to reduce the thread into a versus thread for the sake of convenience. And a quick Google search would show you that there already exists a versus thread on such a topic that hasn't been used in many years. I guess noone searches anymore.

I appreciate you find certain things annoying or somehow see your freedom of speech violated but complaining about it here isn't going to make me or any staff members treat it as off-topic and delete it. As I've notified you numerous times, if you have any complaints, you can message me...or any other staff members.

Only reason this post is staying is to link the Shanks v Mihawk thread. There's even a poll there that I've reset, so go ape.

 

[Pirate Queen]

That thread wasn't supposed to be a Shanks v Mihawk thread, rather a comparison thread but unfortunately Roger was essentially ignored to reduce the thread into a versus thread for the sake of convenience. And a quick Google search would show you that there already exists a versus thread on such a topic that hasn't been used in many years. I guess noone searches anymore.

I appreciate you find certain things annoying or somehow see your freedom of speech violated but complaining about it here isn't going to make me or any staff members treat it as off-topic and delete it. As I've notified you numerous times, if you have any complaints, you can message me...or any other staff members.

Only reason this post is staying is to link the Shanks v Mihawk thread. There's even a poll there that I've reset, so go ape.

Can you put an option that they are equal? In the poll you've created

 

[Pirate Queen]

Jinbei without question

 

[TitaniumOxide]

I mean why couldn't they be equals? So far my biasedness wants Zoro to be stronger but evidence such as Jinbe using fishman karate to deflect an angry Big Mom from pure brute strength...kinds of point to him being stronger. Thing is, we haven't seen how Zoro would fare vs Big Mom so he may very well be capable of such a feat too. So I vote for Equals right now lol.

 

[M3J]

I don't know, as Jinbei doesn't seem to be a swordsman, so he'd have to have a way to deal with the slashes.

 

[Fox666]

I don't know, as Jinbei doesn't seem to be a swordsman, so he'd have to have a way to deal with the slashes.

CoA to break swords, shockwave punch thing, giant water blast thing.