One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Aki1991]

Look after all the Zoro trolls we got a Sanji roll now...

Where has Sanji shown what Jinbei has shown? Tanking Akainu and Big Mom attacks for example?

 

[Bigten10]

Zoro been with Luffy the whole series so we all know that zoro is the second strongest of the straw hat crew

 

[hokageji]

Level 6 is not based on strength, but on the fact that the government wants to erase them from history.

The only one we have a good idea what he did is Avalo Pizarro, who is called the "corrupt king". I'm guessing that's not something that require strength.

Again, that's my point and it keeps coming to that, i wish we knew more about BB's ID crew for the same reason. You are right, some of them could be like that, but that doesn't cover for all of them.

My point of atleast stronger than Croocdile and Jinbei stems from the fact htat they survived the battle royal like @thedude said...
Pizarro can be critiqued to be weak just because of his title, but you cant say that all of them.
We know so little and i wish we could learn more.

Anyways, here's my list, not sure why its not getting uploaded:


EDIT: All the rankings are assuming each individual's peak power levels.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

In the elite-shichibukailevel is only one Shichibukai?

 

[hokageji]

In the elite-shichibukailevel is only one Shichibukai?

edit mistake... its supposed to be:
Elite Commander / admiral level

But Mingo still needs to be there..

My list goes from left to right in strength, so mingo is the weakest of the lot, but i would say stronger than the below listed..

 

[Shasha23]

@hokageji

• There is no logical explanation to rank any living swordsmen over the strongest of them now is there
• There is no way Doffy is stronger than people like Queen or Smoothie, he is just way to high for no reason at best he will be ranked with YC3
• Ichiji was shown to be the strongest of his siblings, he was capable of fighting off Katakuri and only lost because he lost focus and got blindsided, your ranking of him is too low

 

[TitaniumOxide]

You seriously think Zoro slash = Big Mom's slash?

Honestly thats cringy

Zoro's slashes cannot be as powerful as BM's. Not even with Enma. At least not yet.

 

[hokageji]

@hokageji

• There is no logical explanation to rank any living swordsmen over the strongest of them now is there
• There is no way Doffy is stronger than people like Queen or Smoothie, he is just way to high for no reason at best he will be ranked with YC3
• Ichiji was shown to be the strongest of his siblings, he was capable of fighting off Katakuri and only lost because he lost focus and got blindsided, your ranking of him is too low

well, i m not taking on on one considerations, but more like a ranking if their power levels were quantifiable. But let me ask you this, would you rank Mihawk above Roger because he's a swordsmen? I think if you demand him higher than Rayleigh? I think Rayleigh's shown mastery of the 3 haki skills, insane speed against Kizaru as well as some swordsmenship skills...


Queen vs Mingo can be debated, but we haven't seen enough of either him or Smoothie to come to this conclusion. DoFlamingo has demonstrated all the top tier skills you've seen in One Piece, plus Bird Cage.....

I mean't to put Ichiji ahead of Niji made a mistke... the order should be , Ichiji, , Niji, Reiju , bastille, Yonji. I think Reiju seems a little smarter amongst the others and would've ranked her higher but this seems more accurate.

 

[Shasha23]

well, i m not taking on on one considerations, but more like a ranking if their power levels were quantifiable. But let me ask you this, would you rank Mihawk above Roger because he's a swordsmen? I think if you demand him higher than Rayleigh? I think Rayleigh's shown mastery of the 3 haki skills, insane speed against Kizaru as well as some swordsmenship skills...

Roger is not alive so Mihawk's current rank might not apply if Roger was alive!
But no living swordsman should be rank above the strongest of them all, that just doesn't make any sense!

Queen vs Mingo can be debated, but we haven't seen enough of either him or Smoothie to come to this conclusion. DoFlamingo has demonstrated all the top tier skills you've seen in One Piece, plus Bird Cage.....

Big Mum made it pretty clear that among her children only the commander could beat Luffy since he beat Doffy, and she sent out Cracker with this information to go beat Luffy, knowing Big Mum's intel gathering and knowledge ill take her word that Doffy would lose to Cracker in a fight.

I mean't to put Ichiji ahead of Niji made a mistke... the order should be , Ichiji, , Niji, Reiju , bastille, Yonji. I think Reiju seems a little smarter amongst the others and would've ranked her higher but this seems more accurate.

Then why is Drip/Sanji ranked above him?
Go reread when they are stalling for the others to escape, Ichiji is extremely strong, he was holding off Katakuri and people like Oven are nothing to him, you are really underestimating the strongest of the Germa 5 kids

 

[King Moe]

Zoro's slashes cannot be as powerful as BM's. Not even with Enma. At least not yet.

Don't think it's even strong than Nerf Big Mom as even Hunger Craze, She did an attack that more impact than what Mihawk try to do in MF to Whitebeard. Yonkos are on another level and saying Zoro is able to cut harder than one is really dumb scaling to say when he couldn't even hurt an nerf pleasure enough to keep him out long enough before he wake up in Kamazou.

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Look after all the Zoro trolls we got a Sanji roll now...

Where has Sanji shown what Jinbei has shown? Tanking Akainu and Big Mom attacks for example?

Blocking from non-serious and full power Akainu and Nerf Big Mom. Sanji shown able to block Big Mom's attack when she was in her regular state and Oda even stated he uses his power to block it. Sanji hits hard, man. Why you think even Ancient Zoan can't even take pain of Base Kicks and he was just testing.

Plus on NW stuff, we haven't seen Jimbei beat anyone notable as much, so hard to scale him on how strong he is compare to YVs and YCs, so rather not overhype him be a level he can easily handle them.

Also not trolling, putting honest perspective. Not saying Zoro is stronger than Luffy or beat Kaido himself now. Plus fans of all characters, but don't overhype them to the moon, but will stand by their portrayal as shown.

 

[Griff]

Don't think it's even strong than Nerf Big Mom as even Hunger Craze, She did an attack that more impact than what Mihawk try to do in MF to Whitebeard. Yonkos are on another level and saying Zoro is able to cut harder than one is really dumb scaling to say when he couldn't even hurt an nerf pleasure enough to keep him out long enough before he wake up in Kamazou.

I think Big Mom's overall power is way higher than Mihawk's , but Mihawk is most definitely better with swords

 

[King Moe]

I think Big Mom's overall power is way higher than Mihawk's , but Mihawk is most definitely better with swords

That's what I mean being good in one skill, doesn't make you above others. When Usopp becomes the World's Best Sniper, does that mean he is stronger than Yonkos, Admirals, and so on? Being skill at one thing, doesn't make you stronger than everyone. That is canon apparent. We have World's Strongest Men after all and it's not Mihawk, it's Whitebeard and his crew and YCs felt no trouble against him unlike stronger threats like Akainu and such.

 

[M3J]

I think it's just because of how things have been set up from day 1 by Oda. Luffy 1, Zoro 2, Sanji close behind as 3. To have someone just waltz in and usurp that ranking just feels off. I don't mind Jinbe being a new strong member, but I think the way Oda's written it, that should be how things settle.

That's silly though, things can change at anytime. Jinbei is clearly powerful, and he can be the second strongest after Luffy, if not as strong as Luffy. I don't get why or how this is bad for Zoro as he's still immensely strong and can compete with Jinbei, whether or not he loses. I don't think Zoro cares as much about Jinbei being stronger unless they form a rivalry like what he and Sanji has.

 

[Shasha23]

That's silly though, things can change at anytime. Jinbei is clearly powerful, and he can be the second strongest after Luffy, if not as strong as Luffy. I don't get why or how this is bad for Zoro as he's still immensely strong and can compete with Jinbei, whether or not he loses. I don't think Zoro cares as much about Jinbei being stronger unless they form a rivalry like what he and Sanji has.

People on the OP threads these days seem to think if you rank someone over another it means that character is weak for some weird reason.

After reevaluating Jinbe's feats again im of the opinion that on land with no water around Zoro is bearly weaker or equal to Jinbe but Zoro will surpass himself during his fight with King and after the war Jinbe even near water i believe will be equal or weaker than Zoro.

 

[M3J]

yep, and even if Jinbei is stronger, Zoro will still be the first mate and a powerhouse in his own right. Either way, people with common sense would still rather have Zoro, Jinbei, or Sanji helping them fight.

 

[slavkovski]

Fully agree with this. Jinbei is a monster and underestimated by the Zoro fanboys. I think that Zoro will be the 1st YC after Wano but currently it is Jinbei imo. And it is even open, if Luffy is so much stronger than him. This has to be shown.

I dont think we will see many zoro "fanboys" that are underestimated jinbei in this thread, even zoro are, for me, looking genuinely happy when jinbei appear, he seems to know that adding boss jinbei to the crew will only make the SH crew stronger by quite a few steps compare to other crew..
Now the other supernova must recruit among them self if they really want to compete with SH pirates crew.. maybe kidd has to submit hawkins and make him join, but even if that happen, jinbei is still stronger than hawkins so it doesnt matter much..

 

[King Moe]

Pretty sure it's obvious of Sanji and Zoro above Jimbei or will be since he is more closer to his Prime or at his Prime unlike those 2 who still got potential in them especially both will not stand who is the stronger one between their rivalry as can't see Sanji and Zoro submitting to liking it.

 

[hokageji]

Roger is not alive so Mihawk's current rank might not apply if Roger was alive!
But no living swordsman should be rank above the strongest of them all, that just doesn't make any sense!

Well, if Mihawk can show mastery of 3 hakis, i'd be happy to put him ahead. , i am not considering this as a PVP ladder.... How would Mihawk counter a non-swordsmen in a fight? OThers listed there would be able to....

Then why is Drip/Sanji ranked above him?
Go reread when they are stalling for the others to escape, Ichiji is extremely strong, he was holding off Katakuri and people like Oven are nothing to him, you are really underestimating the strongest of the Germa 5 kids

I am assuming Sanji + raid suit here....

 

[M3J]

I think at the end, Luffy will be around Emperor level, if not Whitebeard level, while Jinbei, Zoro, and Sanji will be close to Emperor level. I don't think Luffy will become so strong that he'll be able to beat the Yonkou or Akainu without a difficult fight. It'd get too boring if Luffy was in a new tier of his own.

 

[albertwv]

Roger is not alive so Mihawk's current rank might not apply if Roger was alive!
But no living swordsman should be rank above the strongest of them all, that just doesn't make any sense!

Big Mum made it pretty clear that among her children only the commander could beat Luffy since he beat Doffy, and she sent out Cracker with this information to go beat Luffy, knowing Big Mum's intel gathering and knowledge ill take her word that Doffy would lose to Cracker in a fight.

First, off the Mihawk being the WSS, we already discussed the title refers to SWORDSMANSHIP SKILL, not strength. Do you seriously believe Mihawk can defeat Big Mom, who wields a sword and has DF powers. You see BM, wields a sword but that is not her only skill she also uses her DF powers and sheer physical strength. But since she has a sword does that automatically make her a swordsman? Luffy has wielded a sword on rare occasions, recently in Wano. Does he know how to use a sword? Heck no. Does that make him a swordsman? Heck no, but by WSS knowledge if anyone has a sword then Mihawk is automatically stronger than them. You see how dumb that seems?
All feats have shown that there are stronger characters than Mihawk who wield a sword BUT also use other fighting skills. Look at Kizaru and Aokiji, they can wield swords made from their DFs, they may know some swordsmanship but are they swordsman like Mihawk, Zoro, Kaku, Brook? No obviously not.
This should put the whole Mihawk being Yonko level because of WSS case to rest but it wont.

I do agree with you about Cracker being stronger or at least in the same level as Doffy. I have a hard time figuring out who is stronger tho. Doffy could tank some hits from G4 Luffy before going down and Cracker only took one direct hit from Luffy and lost and I mean direct as in his real form not Biscuits. On the other hand, I do not see how Doffy would be able to take down Cracker's Biscuit Knights because Luffy had a hard time dealing with one in G4 without Nami's help. So I conclude that Cracker = Doffy. In a sense it seems that Smoothie is stronger than Cracker so Smoothie > Doffy. I dont know about Queen since we have yet to see how they fare but I would assume Queen = Smoothie > Doffy.