One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Fox666]

Ichiji was shown to be the strongest of his siblings, he was capable of fighting off Katakuri and only lost because he lost focus and got blindsided, your ranking of him is too low

I think that's an exaggeration

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 28, 2020, Original Post Date: Apr 28, 2020 ---

I do not see how Doffy would be able to take down Cracker's Biscuit Knights because Luffy had a hard time dealing with one in G4 without Nami's help. So I conclude that Cracker = Doffy.

I think it would be very easy for Doflamingo, considering their respective Devil Fruits

Cracker ability is good at dealing with a punching machine in front of him, but not with attacks coming from all sides. Also his biscuit soldier are probably full of openings, and the strings should be able to reach Cracker.

And Cracker said he can't handle pain, and Doflamingo strings appear to be extra painful.

 

[Aki1991]

I think at the end, Luffy will be around Emperor level, if not Whitebeard level, while Jinbei, Zoro, and Sanji will be close to Emperor level. I don't think Luffy will become so strong that he'll be able to beat the Yonkou or Akainu without a difficult fight. It'd get too boring if Luffy was in a new tier of his own.

Fully agree with this. Hope Oda won't do a Naruto. Naruto was terrible after the Pain Arc powerscale and story wise...

Would be annoying, if Luffy will become a God like Naruto or Sasukenin the end.

 

[M3J]

I mean, I said that with the assumption that people think Luffy will be in his own tier at the end of the story, when it finishes, and not before fighting Akainu and others. I have a problem with that even if we don't see that LUffy fight.

 

[Shasha23]

Well, if Mihawk can show mastery of 3 hakis, i'd be happy to put him ahead. , i am not considering this as a PVP ladder.... How would Mihawk counter a non-swordsmen in a fight? OThers listed there would be able to....

He has the main 2 haki needed in combat, how does Shanks and Rayleigh counter those none swordsmen in a fight for you to justify placing them ahead of someone the story emphasizes to be stronger than them?

I am assuming Sanji + raid suit here....

Even so its still impossible for him to be that low, even with RS Sanji should be on a similar level

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 28, 2020, Original Post Date: Apr 28, 2020 ---

First, off the Mihawk being the WSS, we already discussed the title refers to SWORDSMANSHIP SKILL, not strength.

That's only in your head!
Oda calls him the strongest so go try that nonsense on someone else!

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 28, 2020 ---

I think that's an exaggeration

The exchange isn't a 2 panel thing like your insinuating, he held him of from before Judge fought Big Mum to when his brothers got defeated, and some time had passed.

I think it would be very easy for Doflamingo, considering their respective Devil Fruits

Cracker ability is good at dealing with a punching machine in front of him, but not with attacks coming from all sides. Also his biscuit soldier are probably full of openings, and the strings should be able to reach Cracker.

And Cracker said he can't handle pain, and Doflamingo strings appear to be extra painful.

Big Mum made it clear that to take down someone who defeated Doffy at the very minimum they needed Cracker, like i said before we all know how knowledgeable Big Mum is soo she 100% knew how strong Doffy was and she felt confident Cracker could beat someone who Doffy lost to.

Placing Doffy not only higher than YC3 but also YC2 and placing him along with people like YC1 is just ridiculous, it contradicts the story in all forms, placing Doffy that high is just you guys appreciation of him as a character and your just ignoring the power scaling.

 

[thedude]

That's silly though, things can change at anytime. Jinbei is clearly powerful, and he can be the second strongest after Luffy, if not as strong as Luffy. I don't get why or how this is bad for Zoro as he's still immensely strong and can compete with Jinbei, whether or not he loses. I don't think Zoro cares as much about Jinbei being stronger unless they form a rivalry like what he and Sanji has.

I'm just saying story structure wise it's a bit weird to change the structure so late in the game, and by the end game I'd prefer it if remained Zoro, then Sanji, because I'd, as a reader, prefer to see them get the toughest fights after Luffy. So for me it's just characters I've spent more time caring about.

 

[thedude]

well, i m not taking on on one considerations, but more like a ranking if their power levels were quantifiable. But let me ask you this, would you rank Mihawk above Roger because he's a swordsmen? I think if you demand him higher than Rayleigh? I think Rayleigh's shown mastery of the 3 haki skills, insane speed against Kizaru as well as some swordsmenship skills...


Queen vs Mingo can be debated, but we haven't seen enough of either him or Smoothie to come to this conclusion. DoFlamingo has demonstrated all the top tier skills you've seen in One Piece, plus Bird Cage.....

I mean't to put Ichiji ahead of Niji made a mistke... the order should be , Ichiji, , Niji, Reiju , bastille, Yonji. I think Reiju seems a little smarter amongst the others and would've ranked her higher but this seems more accurate.

Right, some people see a sword and say "well, that means the strongest swordsman has to be stronger than them", which is silly. Big Mom uses a sword all the time, so should Mihawk be above her? No one thinks that. Yonko, even those who use a sword, are stronger than him.

I'd like to see Smoothie fight, hope we get it this arc. She must be close to Katakuri, she seemed right up there with him in terms of standing in the crew. But like you say, we haven't seen it.

I think Sanji's siblings were all similar. None were going to beat Katakuri or only lost due to distraction (lol, wtf is that?). But they are all strong.

What I want to know is...who is that beside Uroge? Is that the fake Sanji from Sabody, the one in the fake SH crew??? lol

 

[Fox666]

Right, some people see a sword and say "well, that means the strongest swordsman has to be stronger than them", which is silly. Big Mom uses a sword all the time, so should Mihawk be above her? No one thinks that. Yonko, even those who use a sword, are stronger than him.

Everyone agrees that Kaido, "the strongest creature", is stronger than Mihawk, right?

All he has to do to take the title of strongest swordsman is carry a sword? Even without any swordsmanship skill, Kaido could swing it around like baseball bat.

Is there any limit on how much Kaido must use his sword in battle? Because even Zoro likes do other stuff, like throwing a building on his enemy, etc.

Does Mihawk title means "strongest swordman, except when Kaido temporarily has a sword on his hand"?

 

[thedude]

Everyone agrees that Kaido, "the strongest creature", is stronger than Mihawk, right?

All he has to do to take the title of strongest swordsman is carry a sword? Even without any swordsmanship skill, Kaido could swing it around like baseball bat.

Is there any limit on how much Kaido must use his sword in battle? Because even Zoro likes do other stuff, like throwing a building on his enemy, etc.

Does Mihawk title means "strongest swordman, except when Kaido temporarily has a sword on his hand"?

Likewise, did Whitebeards Murakumogiri count as a sword? It's a Naginata, which literally translates to "mowing down sword" or "reaping sword"...it's a sword! So since he fights with it, and since it's technically a sword, does that mean Mihawk beats him? If he dropped the Murakumogiri and picked up a sword to fight Mihawk, does that mean Mihawk would win?

 

[nik87]

Everyone agrees that Kaido, "the strongest creature", is stronger than Mihawk, right?
All he has to do to take the title of strongest swordsman is carry a sword? Even without any swordsmanship skill, Kaido could swing it around like baseball bat.
Is there any limit on how much Kaido must use his sword in battle? Because even Zoro likes do other stuff, like throwing a building on his enemy, etc.
Does Mihawk title means "strongest swordman, except when Kaido temporarily has a sword on his hand"?

Give Kaido a sword instead of the club and Mihawk kills him.

 

[thedude]

Give Kaido a sword instead of the club and Mihawk kills him.

Lol, it must make you laugh to even say things like this.

 

[Shasha23]

Everyone agrees that Kaido, "the strongest creature", is stronger than Mihawk, right?

All he has to do to take the title of strongest swordsman is carry a sword? Even without any swordsmanship skill, Kaido could swing it around like baseball bat.

Is there any limit on how much Kaido must use his sword in battle? Because even Zoro likes do other stuff, like throwing a building on his enemy, etc.

Does Mihawk title means "strongest swordman, except when Kaido temporarily has a sword on his hand"?

Its like saying Luffy would beat Zoro with a sword, if you don't have the sword skills you will be severely cutting down your power, even if Kaido were to pick up a sword he wouldnt be able to draw out his own power since he doesn't know how to fight with a sword.

Mihawk is the "Strongest Swordsman" because none that use a sword can beat him in a fight

 

[nik87]

Lol, it must make you laugh to even say things like this.

What is there to laugh about?

 

[Fox666]

if you don't have the sword skills you will be severely cutting down your power

Or not.

Luffy is the "strongest swordsman" in that panel.

And even if Whitebeard's bisento was not considered a sword, he should be perfectly capable of swinging a sword, even if it's a little different from what he's used to.

Does Mihawk title means "strongest swordsman, except for last week when a bounty hunter attacked Whitebeard with a sword and Whitebeard killed him with his own sword"

 

[Shasha23]

Or not.

Luffy is the "strongest swordsman" in that panel.

And even if Whitebeard's bisento was not considered a sword, he should be perfectly capable of swinging a sword, even if it's a little different from what he's used to.

Does Mihawk title means "strongest swordsman, except for last week when a bounty hunter attacked Whitebeard with a sword and Whitebeard killed him with his own sword"

He used the sword or punches?
Are folder comparable to Zoro?
Did you miss the part Zoro states how he is using the sword?

 

[Fox666]

Doesn't matter how he uses a sword. He's using a sword and is the strongest.

 

[HereNThere]

Give Kaido a sword instead of the club and Mihawk kills him.

I'd rather you just say you think Mihawk is the strongest character ever rather than attempt to jump through these hoops.

 

[nik87]

I'd rather you just say you think Mihawk is the strongest character ever rather than attempt to jump through these hoops.

I think Mihawk is 2nd strongest characters with Kaido being above him but once he picks up a sword instead of the club he loses.

 

[Shasha23]

I'd rather you just say you think Mihawk is the strongest character ever rather than attempt to jump through these hoops.

That is impossible, there is no way Mihawk is the strongest character in the verse just because he is stronger than Shanks and Rayleigh doesn't make him the strongest character or are you one of those who believe Shanks to be above all?

 

[thedude]

I think Mihawk is 2nd strongest characters with Kaido being above him but once he picks up a sword instead of the club he loses.

Why? Is he not allowed to use any other power once he picks up a sword? If he is swordless and Mihawk has his sword, why is Kaido stronger, but then picking up a sword, weaker? Is he allowed to throw down his sword mid fight to win?

 

[nik87]

Why? Is he not allowed to use any other power once he picks up a sword? If he is swordless and Mihawk has his sword, why is Kaido stronger, but then picking up a sword, weaker? Is he allowed to throw down his sword mid fight to win?

He is allowed to use anything he wants, the club is the only thing that keeps him safe from Mihawk.
He doesnt know how to use a sword so he doesnt benefit from using it, his AP decreases since the power behind him swinging a sword and swinging a club is different, significantly different.

If he is swordless and clubless, Mihawk trashes him in an instant...