One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[~Akagami~]

And if our stance is so wrong, why try so hard to convince us otherwise? Just sit back and enjoy us being so wrong because eventually your going to get to brag about being right and that Mihawk is indeed a Yonko or Yonko+ character lol.

Second that
Mihawk is certainly a yonko level no doubt but Schibukai being yonko commander level is a bit stretch cause they can't be compared. Since for a Schibukai bounty was considered not the strength. Luffy struggled more again katakuri as compared to doflamingo. Rather in katakuri fight he evolved more so definitely not all Schibukai are yonko commander class.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Second that
Mihawk is certainly a yonko level no doubt but Schibukai being yonko commander level is a bit stretch cause they can't be compared. Since for a Schibukai bounty was considered not the strength. Luffy struggled more again katakuri as compared to doflamingo. Rather in katakuri fight he evolved more so definitely not all Schibukai are yonko commander class.

Well "Shichibukai level" ranges from Buggy to Mihawk so that by default should never be a tier we use to rank strong characters lol

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And the irony that Buggy is the weakest Shihibukai but is a natural counter to Mihawk, who is the strongest Shichibukai lol

 

[HereNThere]

Yonkou Commander has basically replaced the Shichibukai tier in my opinion. Buggy's still Paradise level.

It's weird that Buggy should legit be one of the most experienced pirates around, yet still can't even be considered a Supernova. What happened? Him being a member of Roger's crew alone should've given him a decent bounty. Did Shanks pull some strings to reduce his bounty? Did the previous owner of Pudding's DF erase Buggy's memories of being competent?

 

[thedude]

Luffy had to protect Nami...

Start of Series Luffy defeats a Sea King with one punch. Certainly he could crush that shield.

His organization was secret, so his member's bounties were not frozen.

There is not a single moment where Sanji performs equal to Zoro.


Of course new moves are a power-up. What else?

We have Robin vs Yama an arc later, same arc where Luffy perfoms equal with Viper and beats Enel. Robin can't have done that.

It's common sense. Pell doesn't have Haki.

Yeah it is just that scene. At that time, they were the top 3 of the crew. Still doesn't make them equals.



He hasn't. If he would Oda would have done so. He didn't.

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And I am not denying that. It's more about Sanji's performance throughout the arcsthat just doesn't make him top tier.

Luffy could defeat anyone sans Arlong and Smoker low-diff in East Blue.

Unlikely. Zala was disguised, too.

On top of that, Bentham's ultimate move is a regular move for Zala. Clearly it is Zala > Bentham.

Mr. 3 was also put there....

That was hardly a serious fight. Bentham can't even scratch Bones who is made of Iron Blades.

The difference has to be absurd.

If the new sword is better, of course it does? The new swords in Logue Town for example were highlighted as much sharper, also non-meito swords can be broken.

No. As hard as steel is more of a figure than anything.

Jabra and Kaku had power levels displayed. They were equal. Zoro beat one, Sanji the other. Therefore...a moment where they performed equally!

 

[McNuss]

Jabra and Kaku had power levels displayed. They were equal. Zoro beat one, Sanji the other. Therefore...a moment where they performed equally!

Neither Kaku nor Jabra pushed the powered up Zoro and Sanji to their limits, so it is pointless as a measurement stick for comparison. They both mid-diffed them. An arc later Zoro takes all of Luffy's damage on top of his own. Sanji doesn't have such feats.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

I think Mihawk is at most Admiral level and you get offended because I don't say Mihawk is Admiral level "Confidently" that is your OWN insecurity about where he is being placed.

Dam, such an annoying woman you are. I won't even bother trying to tackle your complaints. Instead of addressing the facts that I'm bringing up you decide to point out irrelevant and inexistent so called insecurity of mine.

Its funny you use facts, context and narrative to rank Mihawk but facts, context, and narrative all point to Shanks having the better feats and thus above Mihawk.... but you don't wanna accept that.

NO FEAT mihawk has is even equal to clashing with Whitebeard or Akainu, let alone using those feats to say he is above Shanks.

Not everything is determined by feats alone. Especially not by (unclear) off-screen feats (i.e. Shanks vs Kaido).

For some characters we can safely assume their power level based on narrative, shonen manga logic etc.

Macro stopped Akainu's magma punch. Is he on Shanks' level?

Zoro cut Pica. Is he on the same level as Mihawk because we saw what Mihawk did to those ice walls?

Sanji and Luffy combined stopped BM's punch. Are they now each half of BM's strength?

It's not always the feat in and of itself it's also the effort required to pull that feat off.

So if you say Shanks did this and that therefore he is exactly this strong, you should also consider the feat of Mihawk cutting a huge chunk of wall without any effort and even intention to cut it.

Something that took post-timeskip Zoro a lot more effort. Use a calculator.

Aside from that there are other things to consider, that you tend to ignore. I've already listed them in my previous post so go check them out.

 

[thedude]

Neither Kaku nor Jabra pushed the powered up Zoro and Sanji to their limits, so it is pointless as a measurement stick for comparison. They both mid-diffed them. An arc later Zoro takes all of Luffy's damage on top of his own. Sanji doesn't have such feats.

Kaku and Jabra were strong. They fought and hurt Zoro and Sanji. That is manga fact.

Zoro and Sanji regularly reference each other as reasons not to worry about the rest of the crew. "he's with them, they'll be fine". These again, are manga facts. Look how terrified Zoro was when Jabra was going after Usop and Nami. Look at his smile when Sanji came.

Zoro took Luffy's pain...and was knocked out for days. Is that a "feat"? Sanji attacked a yonko ship and lived to tell the tale. I'd say that's a much bigger feat. But I wouldn't use it to put Sanji above Zoro.

 

[McNuss]

Kaku and Jabra were strong. They fought and hurt Zoro and Sanji. That is manga fact.

Both Zoro and Sanji weren't hurt much. The entire Strawhat crew fought of a hundred HQ captains afterwards.

Zoro and Sanji regularly reference each other as reasons not to worry about the rest of the crew. "he's with them, they'll be fine". These again, are manga facts. Look how terrified Zoro was when Jabra was going after Usop and Nami. Look at his smile when Sanji came.

Both being strong is clear. Still doesn't make them equals. You are stretching it here.

Zoro took Luffy's pain...and was knocked out for days. Is that a "feat"? Sanji attacked a yonko ship and lived to tell the tale. I'd say that's a much bigger feat. But I wouldn't use it to put Sanji above Zoro.

Yes that's a feat. Sanji would be dead.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Dam, such an annoying woman you are. I won't even bother trying to tackle your complaints. Instead of addressing the facts that I'm bringing up you decide to point out irrelevant and inexistent so called insecurity of mine.



Not everything is determined by feats alone. Especially not by (unclear) off-screen feats (i.e. Shanks vs Kaido).

For some characters we can safely assume their power level based on narrative, shonen manga logic etc.

Macro stopped Akainu's magma punch. Is he on Shanks' level?

Zoro cut Pica. Is he on the same level as Mihawk because we saw what Mihawk did to those ice walls?

Sanji and Luffy combined stopped BM's punch. Are they now each half of BM's strength?

It's not always the feat in and of itself it's also the effort required to pull that feat off.

So if you say Shanks did this and that therefore he is exactly this strong, you should also consider the feat of Mihawk cutting a huge chunk of wall without any effort and even intention to cut it.

Something that took post-timeskip Zoro a lot more effort. Use a calculator.

Aside from that there are other things to consider, that you tend to ignore. I've already listed them in my previous post so go check them out.

Nothing you've "listed'" is proof that Mihawk is stronger than Shanks so if by me being an "annoying woman" is simply me presenting facts... thats right there is your issue.

 

[thedude]

Dam, such an annoying woman you are. I won't even bother trying to tackle your complaints. Instead of addressing the facts that I'm bringing up you decide to point out irrelevant and inexistent so called insecurity of mine.



Not everything is determined by feats alone. Especially not by (unclear) off-screen feats (i.e. Shanks vs Kaido).

For some characters we can safely assume their power level based on narrative, shonen manga logic etc.

Macro stopped Akainu's magma punch. Is he on Shanks' level?

Zoro cut Pica. Is he on the same level as Mihawk because we saw what Mihawk did to those ice walls?

Sanji and Luffy combined stopped BM's punch. Are they now each half of BM's strength?

It's not always the feat in and of itself it's also the effort required to pull that feat off.

So if you say Shanks did this and that therefore he is exactly this strong, you should also consider the feat of Mihawk cutting a huge chunk of wall without any effort and even intention to cut it.

Something that took post-timeskip Zoro a lot more effort. Use a calculator.

Aside from that there are other things to consider, that you tend to ignore. I've already listed them in my previous post so go check them out.

Here's a calculator for you: The WG needs all of their admirals, and the Schibukai, and the other marines, and plans on top of plans, just to beat one Yonko. Shanks is a Yonko. Mihawk is...one of the hundreds of people the marines think they need just to beat him.

But sure...he's stronger.

 

[Shasha23]

Kaku and Jabra were strong. They fought and hurt Zoro and Sanji. That is manga fact.

Zoro and Sanji regularly reference each other as reasons not to worry about the rest of the crew. "he's with them, they'll be fine". These again, are manga facts. Look how terrified Zoro was when Jabra was going after Usop and Nami. Look at his smile when Sanji came.

Zoro took Luffy's pain...and was knocked out for days. Is that a "feat"? Sanji attacked a yonko ship and lived to tell the tale. I'd say that's a much bigger feat. But I wouldn't use it to put Sanji above Zoro.

Zoro has referenced that the others are fine but never Sanji, your lying again, Sanji more often than not puts Nami in danger because of his stupidity.
Zoro smiling because Sanji saved Usopp means Jabra was strong? this is proof for you? are you serious?
Yes Zoro taking Luffy's damage is a feat and Sanji never attacked any yonko ship stop liying, you cant help but tell lies can you?

 

[~Akagami~]

Zoro is second ofc. Be it the plot zoro is vice captain. Secondly he will be strongest and greatest swordsman.

Note :- yet to see zoro going all out after training. Like with dazz bones or square nose cp9 guy ( giraffe )

 

[McNuss]

Zoro's absurd durability is even featured in the Databooks. Sanji isn't included in the same section, implying that he can't lose as much blood as Zoro. That is without a doubt Zoro's feat.

I fact, Sanji dropped out in exactly that situation because Zoro hit him with his swordhilt.

 

[Shasha23]

Yonkou Commander has basically replaced the Shichibukai tier in my opinion. Buggy's still Paradise level.

It's weird that Buggy should legit be one of the most experienced pirates around, yet still can't even be considered a Supernova. What happened? Him being a member of Roger's crew alone should've given him a decent bounty. Did Shanks pull some strings to reduce his bounty? Did the previous owner of Pudding's DF erase Buggy's memories of being competent?

You do know that supernova tag is only given to pirates that reach Shabondy Archipelago with a bounty of 100mil or more right?

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Nothing you've "listed'" is proof that Mihawk is stronger than Shanks so if by me being an "annoying woman" is simply me presenting facts... thats right there is your issue.

!!!Worlds Strongest Swordsman!!!

Your facts are just your own headcanon and nonsense, what type of sane person claims something is a fact when it goes against the author of said story?

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Here's a calculator for you: The WG needs all of their admirals, and the Schibukai, and the other marines, and plans on top of plans, just to beat one Yonko. Shanks is a Yonko. Mihawk is...one of the hundreds of people the marines think they need just to beat him.

But sure...he's stronger.

Go re-read what the balance of power is before you talk more of your misinformed lies!

 

[Deleted member 169696]

Nothing you've "listed'" is proof that Mihawk is stronger than Shanks so if by me being an "annoying woman" is simply me presenting facts... thats right there is your issue.

It is. It's called logic. And I don't even recall complaining so much about the fact people put Mihawk below Shanks.

I was mainly addressing the downplay, where people would say YC1 level or admiral level at most.

Here's a calculator for you: The WG needs all of their admirals, and the Schibukai, and the other marines, and plans on top of plans, just to beat one Yonko. Shanks is a Yonko. Mihawk is...one of the hundreds of people the marines think they need just to beat him.

But sure...he's stronger.

Just to beat one yonko? Ahem. There were like 16 allied captains and their respective crews.

And at the end of the day the Marines were superior. It's just that it's always better to play safe to guarantee victory.

And I am not downplaying WB himself here. It's just that out of all of his commanders there were like only three that could hold a candle to the admirals and Mihawk.

Namely, Marco, Jozu and Vista.

But on the Marines' side they also had Garp and Sengoku who haven't done much.

 

[thedude]

Zoro has referenced that the others are fine but never Sanji, your lying again, Sani more often than not puts Nami in danger because of his stupidity.
Zoro smiling because Sanji saved Usopp means Jabra was strong is prove of Jabra being strong? are you serious?
Yes Zoro taking Luffy's damage is a feat and Sanji never attacked any yonko ship stop laying, you cant help but tell lies can you?

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Oh..Zoro literally saying what I said he did...amazing!

Zoro smiling was because Zoro knew Jabra was stong, and Kaku was preventing him from saving Usop and Nami, he was freaking out until "the hunter" arrived.

I swear half the people arguing don't read the damn manga it's frustrating.

Sanji attacked the ship when they were heading for Zou...he asked Luffy's permission and did it...again, in the freaking manga. Did you stop reading before the time skip?

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[Pirate Queen]

It is. It's called logic. And I don't even recall complaining so much about the fact people put Mihawk below Shanks.

I was mainly addressing the downplay, where people would say YC1 level or admiral level at most.



Just to beat one yonko? Ahem. There were like 16 allied captains and their respective crews.

And at the end of the day the Marines were superior. It's just that it's always better to play safe to guarantee victory.

And I am not downplaying WB himself here. It's just that out of all of his commanders there were like only three that could hold a candle to the admirals and Mihawk.

Namely, Marco, Jozu and Vista.

But on the Marines' side they also had Garp and Sengoku who haven't done much.

The logic is that Shanks clashed woth Akainu and WB and Mihawk vlashed with Vista.

LOGIC!!!!!, SEE HOW RIDICULOUS THAT SOUNDS?

Down playing his is call him trash. Last time I checked YC1 were beasts within their own right even if someone did say he was YC1, which I don't agree with, thats is still an impressive place to put someone. I just don't think it's accurate personally but like I said it is a matter of opinion

 

[thedude]

Zoro's absurd durability is even featured in the Databooks. Sanji isn't included in the same section, implying that he can't lose as much blood as Zoro. That is without a doubt Zoro's feat.

I fact, Sanji dropped out in exactly that situation because Zoro hit him with his swordhilt.

"implying" "data books"...if there is no comparison point, you can't compare the two. It's picking a specific thing and using it. So I can say "Sanji blocked a Yonko punch, Zoro didn't, therefore Sanji is stronger". But of course, it's just that Zoro hasn't had the chance.

Zoro has great durability. He's also passed out more than anyone else.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

The logic is that Shanks clashed woth Akainu and WB and Mihawk vlashed with Vista.

And who did Aokiji clash with? Who did Kizaru clash with?

I guess they're now YC level.

 

[McNuss]

"implying" "data books"...if there is no comparison point, you can't compare the two. It's picking a specific thing and using it. So I can say "Sanji blocked a Yonko punch, Zoro didn't, therefore Sanji is stronger". But of course, it's just that Zoro hasn't had the chance.

Zoro has great durability. He's also passed out more than anyone else.

Durability isn't just one thing, it s a core feat, and imho it is much more important than Sanji's biggest feat, speed.

Just look at the absolute Top Tier of One Piece:

Kaido, Big Mom, Whitebeard, Akainu,....

Durability is always played as a key feat.

And only Kizaru is known for being particularly fast.

Key is that these guys can fight for days and destroy entire islands in the proccess. Unlikely that Sanji will ever achieve anything like that, but Zoro has already almost achieved the latter as he can cut mountains.

Also first you tell me to "properly read the manga", but then you discard the canonical databooks? ??????

Also I don't know what you mean with "blocked a Yonko punch". That one time they counterattacked Big Mom, he was clearly just reinforcing Luffy.