One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[hokageji]

On topic:
Jinbei currently is second strongest, and by that i mean from all the thing's we've seen so far. Getting Enma and stacking up piece so far wouldn't equate his strength to feats like stopping Big Mama's sword attacks, or pushing her away.

By the end of this arc, i think it'll change though. Zoro will most likely achieve black blade, BOAT and control Enma perfectly. Those will put him above Jinbei.... Sanji will follow but i am still skeptical about him using raid suit.. I voted for Zoro with those things in mind.

 

[nik87]

control Enma perfectly

Already does.

BOAT

Doesnt exist, at least not in the form people think.

Zoro will most likely achieve black blade

I doubt this but we will see...

The reason why you place Jinbe above Zoro is because he pushed her after landing a clean hit and because he basically took no damage after he blocked her.
What would happen to BM if Zoro landed a clean slice on her? Would Zoro be ok if he blocked her hit with his swords?

 

[hokageji]

Already does.

I will wait for a confirmaiton in battle to judge that...

Doesnt exist, at least not in the form people think.

well, what form are you talking aboubt.... but you could be right.

The reason why you place Jinbe above Zoro is because he pushed her after landing a clean hit and because he basically took no damage after he blocked her.
What would happen to BM if Zoro landed a clean slice on her? Would Zoro be ok if he blocked her hit with his swords?

Its not just that but yea, if Zoro is shown to be capable of going toe to toe like that with Big Mama, i'd rate him as high as JInbei or higher immeidately... And i think in a few chapters, we'll witness Zoro control Enma and get stronger.
Also, i voted for Zoro assuming end of series. Currently, Jinbei

 

[nik87]

I will wait for a confirmaiton in battle to judge that...

He only had trouble first time he touched it and even that was because he didnt know what it does.
He used it 3 times after that perfectly fine without any side effect but fair enough if you want a mid-combat confirmation...

well, what form are you talking aboubt.... but you could be right.

It is not a cutting thing, it is a form of CoO. He heard the breath of rocks without even having a sword in his hands.
He heard a breath of his sword being under rocks... Basically an advanced form of aura detection...

Its not just that but yea, if Zoro is shown to be capable of going toe to toe like that with Big Mama, i'd rate him as high as JInbei or higher immeidately... And i think in a few chapters, we'll witness Zoro control Enma and get stronger.
Also, i voted for Zoro assuming end of series. Currently, Jinbei

I dont think he is able to go toe to toe with her but Jinbe didnt do it either...
He pushed her away with clean hit, I think Zoro would do more with same.
Jinbe blocking barehanded is very impressive but that's not how Zoro plays the game, he blocks with swords and the end result would be the same:
Both pushed back but no significant damage overall.

Can you see Jinbe standing after Zoro's Sanzen Sekai or Asura Makyusen or Asura Ichibugin or even Shishi Sonson?

 

[M3J]

If Zoro had the chance to interact with his own fans, he'd probably despise them.

I think Sanji's the only one who wouldn't, and that's if he has attractive women as his fans. Though, Zoro and Sanji would appreciate their fans hyping them up over the other.

 

[hokageji]

He only had trouble first time he touched it and even that was because he didnt know what it does.
He used it 3 times after that perfectly fine without any side effect but fair enough if you want a mid-combat confirmation...

Yep, that's all i am saying....

It is not a cutting thing, it is a form of CoO. He heard the breath of rocks without even having a sword in his hands.
He heard a breath of his sword being under rocks... Basically an advanced form of aura detection...

True, it is a CoO technique and Zoro will need an advanced form of that as well..... Lets not worry about BOAT, but atleast a part where he has heightened vision like Hawkeye..
No saying that he doesn't have it already. Heck, i've theorized that the closed eye is probably for that reason, but i need to see it to believe it.

I dont think he is able to go toe to toe with her but Jinbe didnt do it either...
He pushed her away with clean hit, I think Zoro would do more with same.
Jinbe blocking barehanded is very impressive but that's not how Zoro plays the game, he blocks with swords and the end result would be the same:
Both pushed back but no significant damage overall.

Can you see Jinbe standing after Zoro's Sanzen Sekai or Asura Makyusen or Asura Ichibugin or even Shishi Sonson?

Jinbei did fair extremely well against Big Mama... He stopped Mama's sword attack successfully and pushed her away.

When Zoro does that with a Yonko, his ranking will be higher. If Zoro blocks it with his swords, that's acceptable too, but till it happens, i wont rank him above jinbei.

Again, i am not speaking in hypotheticals, only on what's observed.

 

[M3J]

I think Fujitora is slept on majorly. Dude can bring meteors down!

I brought him up because he's a swordsman, and while we don't know if he did fight Mihawk or Mihawk's inferior, we do know he's strong enough to become an admiral.

So it makes more sense to place swordsmen over the World's Strongest Swordsman?

Unless they're solely swordsmen, it makes sense if these swordsmen have more than that. Mihawk can be the world's strongest swordsman and still lose to a weaker swordsman like Shanks if anything went in fights.

 

[Shasha23]

Unless they're solely swordsmen, it makes sense if these swordsmen have more than that. Mihawk can be the world's strongest swordsman and still lose to a weaker swordsman like Shanks if anything went in fights.

But Shanks and Rayleigh are pure swordsmen, and Mihawk won't lose unless Shanks fights with his whole crew or Rayleigh calls his old friends for help, if it's a 1 on 1 Mihawk wont lose a sword fight to anyone.

 

[thedude]

Some of us cant see the invisible!
Or are you talking about when Sanji, CC, Chopper, Nami, Brook and Momo attacked the Queen Mama Chanter? if so why are you making it out as if it was just Sanji, or did you block out manga facts again because they didn't align with your delusions?

There was also the proof of Zoro saying the crew would be fine after they reached Zou and saw all the destruction. "Swirly brow is with them". But of course, ignored that part too...

 

[Shasha23]

There was also the proof of Zoro saying the crew would be fine after they reached Zou and saw all the destruction. "Swirly brow is with them". But of course, ignored that part too...

this is what i said:

Zoro has referenced that the others are fine but never Sanji, your lying again, Sanji more often than not puts Nami in danger because of his stupidity.

After you said this:

" Sanji regularly reference each other as reasons not to worry about the rest of the crew. "he's with them, they'll be fine". These again, are manga facts."

Sanji has never said this!

 

[M3J]

Shanks is a swordsman, but is he really a pure swordsman?

Wonder if Mihawk and Rayleigh ever fought though.

 

[Shasha23]

Shanks has been using a sword all his life, his vivre card says he is a swordsman and he molded his crew after the Roger Pirates, everything the story has on him is that he is a swordsman.

 

[Luke Beifong]

After Luffy I think the strongest SH is Jinbe. EOS Zoro and Sanji can become strong than him, but let’s give time to time and see what will happen in the future

I doubt this but we will see...

You don’t think Zoro will get a black sword in this arc?

 

[Fox666]

However, Shanks barely done anything in the manga yet.

 

[albertwv]

So if Roger was alive Mihawk would be stronger than Roger since Mihawk is the WSS?

 

[Pirate Queen]

So if Roger was alive Mihawk would be stronger than Roger since Mihawk is the WSS?

Apparently lol

 

[~Akagami~]

He was near him 6 years before Shanks became a Yonko. I think it's safe to assume Shanks got stronger.

I ignore pre-timeskip haki stuff. Oda just hadn't developed it.

You sure assume lot of stuff. So shanks just got stronger and Mihawk didn't?

As for Haki it was introduced later from sabondy arc ( Rayleigh introduction). Again you assume oda hadn'tdeveloped it well it was there all along and if oda didn't developed it we won't be discussing Haki in first place

 

[Deleted member 169696]

It means the YC were strong enough to tango with Admirals and eventually it was revealed the Admirals were > Yonko Commanders. They did clash, bu the results were apparent. Admirals > YC, that doesn't conflict with what I said at all. For all the talk of facts you sure know how to half ass them.

Mihawk was straight up stalled by Vista for 2 chapters.

What a load of c**p.

Unlike Kizaru, who was sent flying... And unlike Aokiji who was straight up injured...

Mihawk was only "stalled" by Vista and remained uninjured/unaffected.

And how many chapters did it take Kizaru and Aokiji to get an upper hand?

And sure, keep pretending like you forgot how exactly Kizaru and Aokiji took Marco and Jozu out, lol.

Oh right, as for Marco he was absolutely fine by the end of the war. He was essentially cheap shot by Kizaru who was also assisted by a Vice Admiral.

 

[Pirate Queen]

What a load of c**p.

Unlike Kizaru, who was sent flying... And unlike Aokiji who was straight up injured...

Mihawk was only "stalled" by Vista and remained uninjured/unaffected.

And how many chapters did it take Kizaru and Aokiji to get an upper hand?

And sure, keep pretending like you forgot how exactly Kizaru and Aokiji took Marco and Jozu out, lol.

Oh right, as for Marco he was absolutely fine by the end of the war. He was essentially cheap shot by Kizaru who was also assisted by a Vice Admiral.

Mihawk remained unaffected because he asked to delay their fight, not because he was winning lol, they were clearly equal. Nice try.

In the war it was apparent that the Admirals were stronger than Yonko Commanders. Marco was fine but you can also thank his regeneration powers for that. Jozu easily lost his arm.

And afterwards to Gorosei named Marco as one of the few who could defeated BB, but he eventually lost.

 

[kkck]

On topic:
Jinbei currently is second strongest, and by that i mean from all the thing's we've seen so far. Getting Enma and stacking up piece so far wouldn't equate his strength to feats like stopping Big Mama's sword attacks, or pushing her away.

By the end of this arc, i think it'll change though. Zoro will most likely achieve black blade, BOAT and control Enma perfectly. Those will put him above Jinbei.... Sanji will follow but i am still skeptical about him using raid suit.. I voted for Zoro with those things in mind.

The black blade is something which even oden, a nigh yonko level fighter, didn't achieve. If zoro gets a black blade it sounds like it should be something that comes near the very end of the story. As in, at a point where even the suggestion that zoro might lose to jinbe is beyond stupid. As for the breath of all things, doesn't zoro already have that? IIRC that was about zoro cutting what he wants.

As for zoro's current haki boost... I maintain my view that it will likely be about as big as luffy's own haki boosts. And that stacked on top of zoro's still unrevealed kyutoryu.

As for luffy vs jinbe.. I'd think luffy was stronger than him at least since the dressrosa arc. jinbe is obviously insanely strong but doflamingo seems like the bigger threat next to him for instance. And since luffy started getting his haki upgrades.. he probably does not even need gear 4 for to beat him. Once luffy got the hang of the advance version of observation haki he could largely go toe to toe with katakuri, big mom's mightiest executive... Luffy at that point should be running literal circles around jinbe.

It's also worth noting that the version of big mom jinbe pushed back was not at full power. it was an insane borderline famished and crazed version... the real big mom is capable of clashing with kaido, a monster that could straight up one shoot gear 4 luffy.