One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[King Moe]

Even that weakling that beat Sanji was even able to manhandle him, Zeff was just a nobody who ran away from paradise.

Better fighter than Zoro's teacher in East Blue though and you do know he is old and lost his leg. You expect him be in Prime Form through all that? Still got better spotlight than Zoro in same arc when he got fodderize by Mihawk who isn't even Yonko lvl or Admiral lvl some thought at the time, but not anymore since Marineford Arc.

 

[goldb]

Better fighter than Zoro's teacher in East Blue though and you do know he is old and lost his leg. You expect him be in Prime Form through all that? Still got better spotlight than Zoro in same arc when he got fodderize by Mihawk who isn't even Yonko lvl or Admiral lvl some thought at the time, but not anymore since Marineford Arc.

Whitebeard was old and so was Garp. What's your point?

Zeff was likely a notable pirate in the Blue seas and maybe early Paradise, we don't know much about his journey to be fair but there's no indication that his infamy was of great note or his strength.

And why does Zeff matter all of a sudden?

 

[Deleted member 169696]

Whitebeard was old and so was Garp. What's your point?

Zeff was likely a notable pirate in the Blue seas and maybe early Paradise, we don't know much about his journey to be fair but there's no indication that his infamy was of great note or his strength.

And why does Zeff matter all of a sudden?

Because some people want better portrayal for Sanji...

I agree, Zeff is probably not strong right now. And probably wasn't all that strong in his prime either.

However comparing him to Crocus wouldn't be that big of a stretch, I think.

 

[McNuss]

Because some people want better portrayal for Sanji...

I agree, Zeff is probably not strong right now. And probably wasn't all that strong in his prime either.

However comparing him to Crocus wouldn't be that big of a stretch, I think.

I think it is. Zeff got his wood leg broken off by Gin, something like that would never happen to Crocus who can tank Bazooka shots like nothing.

If Zeff would truly be a top tier pirate, then a lost leg shouldn't affect him that much. Kyros and Inuarashi can walk with just one.

I think Prime Zeff was Foxy level, at most.

 

[HereNThere]

Zeff appears to be a Moriah case. A pirate who lost his ambition and, likely, his prime strength. He even admits that his fighting days are long past him.

Krieg wanted his travel journals because he came back from the Grand Line with no injuries. As I mentioned, it's implied that he's been to the New World. At the very least, he got far enough to be aware of Mihawk's general attitude and drop knowledge of things that veteran pirates only know.

 

[Kato756]

Really? When?

An sbs had rough drawnings of all of them

BUUUT

No douglas
No neko and inu
No oden

So the bet is still on

I'd put him easily above CP9 pre-time skip but how above that is anyones guess

 

[afromarco005]

That's not exactly definitive then lol. I'm sure between Kaido, BM, Shanks and BB and Akainu, any of them would be "bet on if it's a 1v1 fight", but saying that isn't Oda actually saying "this man is the strongest 1v1".

Why cant you agree with a clear statement from the manga? In a 1 v 1 fight Kaido will eventually win thats all deal with it.

 

[thedude]

Why cant you agree with a clear statement from the manga? In a 1 v 1 fight Kaido will eventually win thats all deal with it.

lol, a single character saying that means nothing. "I'm the strongest" is said by countless characters, and yet they aren't. Oda can put words in a characters mouth, and have that represent that single characters opinion, not his editorial opinion.

Also, "bet on" doesn't mean "he will win always against everyone". I get that people obsess over who is stronger for specific reasons (Zoro reasons usually...lol), but extrapolating single sentences to mean "he will beat everyone one on one" is just not supported by manga. Hell, he's lost more than any of the other Yonko from the text.

And then, when Luffy ends up beating him in a 1v1 setting (like he's beaten every antagonist), are you and everyone "liking" your comments going to say "welp, that means 1v1 Luffy beats everyone!".

Of course not. You won't. You cant' even pretend you will. You'll say "plot armor" or some other thing rather than admit that in the manga, not every statement is a definitive statement of fact. Some are for hype! Hell, we saw that 1v1, he needed help to distract Oden to win. And 1v1 he fought all night vs Big Mom and didn't end the fight.

"always bet on Kaido" has somehow morphed into "Kaido will always win eventually" lol.

 

[King Moe]

Whitebeard was old and so was Garp. What's your point?

Zeff was likely a notable pirate in the Blue seas and maybe early Paradise, we don't know much about his journey to be fair but there's no indication that his infamy was of great note or his strength.

And why does Zeff matter all of a sudden?

Whitebeard and Garp admitted though they not in their Prime like they used to, so again old age plays factor especially WB was coming down with something with his old age.

I feel he could be apart of Rocks Pirates which would be interesting reveal given there are hints to that and plus it seems like Rocks Crew had a lot of big time notable characters on there, so wouldn't be farfetched if he was apart of it.

I was answering someone who talks about how Prime Zeff was. That how conversation got started.

--- Double Post Merged, May 30, 2020, Original Post Date: May 30, 2020 ---

Because some people want better portrayal for Sanji...

I agree, Zeff is probably not strong right now. And probably wasn't all that strong in his prime either.

However comparing him to Crocus wouldn't be that big of a stretch, I think.

Sanji already have better better portrayal than Zeff and going to face tough opponents in the War later too.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

Sanji already have better better portrayal than Zeff and going to face tough opponents in the War later too.

Moe, calm down. You misunderstood my reply completely.

 

[King Moe]

Moe, calm down. You misunderstood my reply completely.

Pea, relax. Posting to others doesn't mean I am angry. Idk why you think that.

 

[M3J]

Whitebeard was old and so was Garp. What's your point?

Zeff was likely a notable pirate in the Blue seas and maybe early Paradise, we don't know much about his journey to be fair but there's no indication that his infamy was of great note or his strength.

And why does Zeff matter all of a sudden?

Because Zeff is cool with his wooden leg, duh

Zeff appears to be a Moriah case. A pirate who lost his ambition and, likely, his prime strength. He even admits that his fighting days are long past him.

Krieg wanted his travel journals because he came back from the Grand Line with no injuries. As I mentioned, it's implied that he's been to the New World. At the very least, he got far enough to be aware of Mihawk's general attitude and drop knowledge of things that veteran pirates only know.

Didn't Zeff admit he didn't care to continue pirating after losing his crewmates, to be more specific?

An sbs had rough drawnings of all of them

BUUUT

No douglas
No neko and inu
No oden

So the bet is still on

I'd put him easily above CP9 pre-time skip but how above that is anyones guess

Which is why I'm not taking any of that as fact or proof of anything. Chapters from now, Oda could just as easily reveal that Zeff was a junior cook or something on the ship.

lol, a single character saying that means nothing. "I'm the strongest" is said by countless characters, and yet they aren't. Oda can put words in a characters mouth, and have that represent that single characters opinion, not his editorial opinion.

Also, "bet on" doesn't mean "he will win always against everyone". I get that people obsess over who is stronger for specific reasons (Zoro reasons usually...lol), but extrapolating single sentences to mean "he will beat everyone one on one" is just not supported by manga. Hell, he's lost more than any of the other Yonko from the text.

And then, when Luffy ends up beating him in a 1v1 setting (like he's beaten every antagonist), are you and everyone "liking" your comments going to say "welp, that means 1v1 Luffy beats everyone!".

Of course not. You won't. You cant' even pretend you will. You'll say "plot armor" or some other thing rather than admit that in the manga, not every statement is a definitive statement of fact. Some are for hype! Hell, we saw that 1v1, he needed help to distract Oden to win. And 1v1 he fought all night vs Big Mom and didn't end the fight.

"always bet on Kaido" has somehow morphed into "Kaido will always win eventually" lol.

Kaidou didn't hype himself up, Oda I believe did with a narrative text saying that if it comes to a 1 on 1 fight, always bet on Kaidou. I just take this as an indication that Kaidou is extremely strong and is likely to win most of his 1-on-1 battles. When he lost, did he lose in one-on-one fights or did it take multiple enemies to bring him down?

Moe, calm down. You misunderstood my reply completely.

No he didn't, you liar, he understood you just right.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

Thoughts?

 

[XXGenesis]

Why is it that I have to literally search the thread name to find this thread now???

What Moe & Nik do to get banned?! Lol

Reading Moe's last post, he was just replying, there wasnt a a negative tone in his reply....

As for Kaidou...Zoro is going to give Luffy a hand, because someone will intervene or interfere on Kaidou's end. Giving Zoro the permission he needs to make the fight fair by also assisting Luffy.

 

[thedude]

Why is it that I have to literally search the thread name to find this thread now???

What Moe & Nik do to get banned?! Lol

Reading Moe's last post, he was just replying, there wasnt a a negative tone in his reply....

As for Kaidou...Zoro is going to give Luffy a hand, because someone will intervene or interfere on Kaidou's end. Giving Zoro the permission he needs to make the fight fair by also assisting Luffy.

I can see Zoro or others being there at the start, but it's ending 1v1 Luffy and Kaido. Luffy's never fought anyone major other than alone, and he's trained all this time specifically to do this.

 

[XXGenesis]

I can see Zoro or others being there at the start, but it's ending 1v1 Luffy and Kaido. Luffy's never fought anyone major other than alone, and he's trained all this time specifically to do this.

Agreed. The very end show downn it will be mano E Mano...

But reviewing fights of this big scale..Marineford & Dressora. 2 v1 or 2 v 2 is a definite possibility for the outcome of the Kaidou fight...

Zoro mentioned they cant be taking on so much damage before the main event...I cam see Luffy being assisted again just like in the fight vs Cracker...maybe not for that long..but Zoro & other SH members I believe will play some sort of function or role..

After Kaidou..Luffy is going toe 2 toe with the top tiers

 

[Fox666]

I can see Zoro or others being there at the start, but it's ending 1v1 Luffy and Kaido. Luffy's never fought anyone major other than alone, and he's trained all this time specifically to do this.

IMHO if Luffy is already having trouble with Apoo, I can't see him facing Kaido 1-on-1.

 

[M3J]

IMHO if Luffy is already having trouble with Apoo, I can't see him facing Kaido 1-on-1.

There's no correlation there... otherwise I"d agree with you if Luffy fought Apoo.

 

[Ramen]

IMHO if Luffy is already having trouble with Apoo, I can't see him facing Kaido 1-on-1.

Luffy wouldn't stand a chance against Kaido regardless.

 

[XXGenesis]

IMHO if Luffy is already having trouble with Apoo, I can't see him facing Kaido 1-on-1.

I feel you.

There's no correlation there... otherwise I"d agree with you if Luffy fought Apoo.

There is correlation. Luffy's durability isnt where it needs to be...if Appo can do what he did to him with 1 attack..If Zoro wasn't there he would have been attacked again, which would have made the showing even worst