One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[jaymizzo]

lol, if Kaido is the strongest, and then Luffy beats him, how does that list change? I have a feeling instead of putting the guy who beat him at number 1, you'll put a certain swordsman. That's why your lists can't be taken that seriously.

You falling for the bait?

 

[thedude]

You falling for the bait?

Nope, i'm pointing at the water and saying "that right there, that's bait" lol

I can't put BM or Kaido at the top since they are likely to be the first to drop. And if they are at the top, that means beating them puts you at the top, which would be silly, right? Luffy won't be the strongest in the world after beating Kaido. BB will still be stronger than him. Akainu will still be above him, etc.

That's why I feel the best way to rank people right now is, where are they in the story? If Kaido is acting as the Yonko Crocodile, he isn't the strongest. We've also seen Kaido almost lose, and know that he was beaten and captured over a dozen times. He just can't be the strongest there is, otherwise luffy will be the strongest for beating him.

"Oh, it's you Akainu, the 10th strongest, well, i'm going to one shot you now since I beat Kaido, the strongest"...it's obviously not realistic manga wise. I'm struggling to see how the guy who fought his way to top of the marines is 10th strongest, below newer recruits.

 

[nik87]

And if they are at the top, that means beating them puts you at the top,

Only if you do so in 1vs1 which Luffy aint doing in million years. The brain should be used, it shouldnt be off.

 

[thedude]

Only if you do so in 1vs1 which Luffy aint doing in million years. The brain should be used, it shouldnt be off.

Luffy's beaten everyone one on one. So...

Look, i'm reading One Piece, not fan fiction. Until Oda changes things up, I'm going to assume in the end, it's Luffy vs Enemy, with his subordinates taking on others.

Kaido, the man captured and beaten over a dozen times, the man who Shanks and his tiny crew turned away from Marine Ford, the man who is going to lose during this very arc, is just not the strongest. That's not how manga works.

 

[Erinyes]

1. Kaido - World's Strongest Creature, nuff said.
2. Mihawk - World's Strongest Swordsman, nuff said.
3. Big Mom - freak of nature and has shown decent feats against WSC himself.
4. Teach - One upped Shanks when he had 0 devil fruits.
5. Shanks - Mihawk's weaker version.
6. Rayleigh - Dark King, nuff said.
7. Fujitora - A beast before even getting one of the most powerful devil fruits.
8. Kizaru - Almost as good as the Dark King himself, in his old age.
9. Sengoku - If the age isnt an issue, pretty capable body and combat style.
10. Akainu - Dangerous devil fruit.

btw what about Garp ? does really anyone think of him to be strong. I mean, he was quite a threat for Rogers back then, i do think hes way stronger than we think.

I think we underestimate BB, this guy is possibly the stronger right now, with 2 valuable Devil fruits, he might possibly get another, i can see him ending up stealing Dragon's or Sabo's Df, and if Shanks dies some day, and he has some deathflag imo, if that happens, im pretty sure it would be from BB hands.

 

[nik87]

Oda: I have named this character the World's Strongest Creature. Among all the creatures, he is the strongest.
Fan: Yes, he is strong but he is not stronger than these characters that I placed above him in my own PL list.
Oda: You know what World's Strongest means? It means that he is above all others.
Fan: Yes but he isnt stronger than these characters. He will be taken out first.
Oda: So my word as an author means nothing to you?
Fan: No, no, it totally does but Kaido just cannot be the strongest.
Oda:

If it wasnt so, he would be the WSS. No?

btw what about Garp ?

I think he is overrated. Lots of hype but all of it is off screened.

I think we underestimate BB

Considering that Luffy will beat him without relying on his fruit most of the time since BB can cancel those out, doesnt sound too impressive unless it will be another team battle against him just like against Kaido, then he could perhaps reach such hype but else unlikely. G2 hakiless Luffy did a number on him in ID.

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Luffy's beaten everyone one on one. So...

Look, i'm reading One Piece, not fan fiction.

Keep reading, re-read also, maybe you will notice that your own words arent true.

 

[Pirate Queen]

btw what about Garp ? does really anyone think of him to be strong. I mean, he was quite a threat for Rogers back then, i do think hes way stronger than we think.

I think we underestimate BB, this guy is possibly the stronger right now, with 2 valuable Devil fruits, he might possibly get another, i can see him ending up stealing Dragon's or Sabo's Df, and if Shanks dies some day, and he has some deathflag imo, if that happens, im pretty sure it would be from BB hands.

I love this hahaha haha. The perfect response.

I agree with you on Garp, and 8 often place him much higher on my power lists now

 

[albertwv]

Stop looking into the future, we don't know how it will play out. Stop acting like Akainu is t he End of Series villain, therefore he will be the strongest villain and because Luffy MIGHT defeat Kaido in this arc that makes Kaido weak. Remember when people thought Big Mom was the weakest Yonko because Luffy was going to Whole Cake Island to get back Sanji and had to fight Big Mom therefore he was going to beat her and be stronger than her. Therefore she is the weakest Yonko. NONE of that happened though.

Look at Naruto, people thought Obito was going to be the EOS villain, so he's the strongest, but then look EDO Madara came back, so he must be the strongest, but then out of nowhere BOOM Madara was killed by the Rabbit lady.
End of Series power scaling is bullshit.

Admirals are strong but not as strong as Yonko, they're directly below. Currently I rank all Yonko equally. A testament of their power was, Doflamingo who is pretty powerful and cocky would rather fight a random admiral instead of taking on Kaido. Doffy almost shitted his pants when he thought of facing Kaido's wrath, but calmly walked away from Aokiji refusing to waste his time. Although, Doffy would lose to Aokiji, this still shows how scared he is of Kaido instead of the admirals.

Yes Kaido may have been captured 100 times and almost executed but was never killed. Also if you think about it, Luffy has been captured numerous times and almost executed once by Buggy lol. Does that discredit Luffy's strength? No.

 

[King Moe]

Anyone redo their Supernova listings after last chapters thus far?

 

[hokageji]

Marco was different. His ability allowed him to fight for some time. But you could see his limit when the Whitebeard Pirates failed to stop Akainu.

However, the Admirals had enough power to match Whitebeard. From Kizaru holding his bisento down, to Akainu standing up after taking Whitebeard's quake punch on his head.

Yea, likewise Admiral limits were also seen against Whitebeard. To me, that alone isn't enough but Akainu's strength could be greater. i feel like i would be wrong but need more proof..

btw what about Garp ? does really anyone think of him to be strong. I mean, he was quite a threat for Rogers back then, i do think hes way stronger than we think.

I think we underestimate BB, this guy is possibly the stronger right now, with 2 valuable Devil fruits, he might possibly get another, i can see him ending up stealing Dragon's or Sabo's Df, and if Shanks dies some day, and he has some deathflag imo, if that happens, im pretty sure it would be from BB hands.

Oh yea, Garp is gotta be stronger thank Akainu. I didnt list him and Sengoku, cos they are sorta retirees but they gotta be stronger than Akainu.

You are right about Blackbeard, but the reason i listed him below is based on what we've seen at marinfold. And from Whitebeard's words, it sounds like he isnt proficient in his haki either.

I dont think he'll steal Dragon or Sabo's DF, unles he can possess multiple DF. The theory now is 3 DFs, so the 3rd would be fitting for a zoan. If he can possess more, the sure.

 

[Brandish μ]

Anyone redo their Supernova listings after last chapters thus far?

Kind of:

Luffy
Kidd, Law, Zoro
Killer, Drake, Urouge, Hawkins, Apoo, Bonney, Capone

The bottom line is a merge of two I had previously. After seeing Apoo fight, he's not as bad as I thought, so that probably applies to Bonney and Capone too. He might not be much weaker than Drake, despite being a lower level within the Beast Pirates (they are newer to the team). And maybe, because Apoo and Hawkins aren't zoan users, perhaps they are less preferred at the top end(?). Killer and Drake are stronger than the others if I had to pick.

 

[King Moe]

Kind of:

Luffy
Kidd, Law, Zoro
Killer, Drake, Urouge, Hawkins, Apoo, Bonney, Capone

The bottom line is a merge of two I had previously. After seeing Apoo fight, he's not as bad as I thought, so that probably applies to Bonney and Capone too. He might not be much weaker than Drake, despite being a lower level within the Beast Pirates (they are newer to the team). And maybe, because Apoo and Hawkins aren't zoan users, perhaps they are less preferred at the top end(?). Killer and Drake are stronger than the others if I had to pick.

Good list, but I wouldn't be Zoro top 5 anymore. Apoo, Hawkins, and fights ruin him. He is more around Killer's level. The list should be more:

1. Luiffy
2. Kidd
3. Law
4. Apoo
5. Urouge
6. Drake
7. Hawkins
8. Killer
9. Zoro
10. Bege
11. Bonney.

Until further feats and progress, this looks to be correct current state of it all.

 

[Brandish μ]

Good list, but I wouldn't be Zoro top 5 anymore. Apoo, Hawkins, and fights ruin him. He is more around Killer's level. The list should be more:

1. Luiffy
2. Kidd
3. Law
4. Apoo
5. Urouge
6. Drake
7. Hawkins
8. Killer
9. Zoro
10. Bege
11. Bonney.

Until further feats and progress, this looks to be correct current state of it all.

Ah, lol I'm not going there with Zoro.

Am interested to know why Apoo is so high up. His performance was good without being special in my opinion.

 

[goldb]

Anyone redo their Supernova listings after last chapters thus far?

Probably not until the arc ends and we see more from the SH, the Supernova that have gathered here and the rest of the important players from the enemy's forces.

 

[King Moe]

Ah, lol I'm not going there with Zoro.

Am interested to know why Apoo is so high up. His performance was good without being special in my opinion.

Just stating the truth shown so far on his performance.

I mean he easily damage enough Luffy and Zoro to the point they can't handle him without taking serious injury or at least more on Zoro side stating they should retreat and Apoo have fought Kidd multiple times from pre-timeskip to now and even tank Kidd's attack. He has potential all along to be strong character as last chapter shows. We shouldn't underestimate him as I originally thought he was 'mid' within Supernovas, but seeing these recent chapters he has shown, Oda hyping as a threat than we realize. Sound can be OP if your not careful.

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Probably not until the arc ends and we see more from the SH, the Supernova that have gathered here and the rest of the important players from the enemy's forces.

I can understand that. Though of course you can state now and update later, but like you want give everyone chances on their performance.

 

[Brandish μ]

I mean he easily damage enough Luffy and Zoro to the point they can't handle him without taking serious injury or at least more on Zoro side stating they should retreat and Apoo have fought Kidd multiple times from pre-timeskip to now and even tank Kidd's attack. He has potential all along to be strong character as last chapter shows. We shouldn't underestimate him as I originally thought he was 'mid' within Supernovas, but seeing these recent chapters he has shown, Oda hyping as a threat than we realize. Sound can be OP if your not careful.

I can agree he's somewhere in the middle. So 4th is kind of the middle of 11.

One thing to note is how Kidd took Apoo's attack. He knows what Apoo's moves are like, so he was able to receive the attack standing. Which is different to Luffy and Zoro. This shows that Apoo's attacks really aren't any more powerful than regular attacks, just that they bypass defences. So if you're ready for it, they won't knock you about (maybe his big bass attack could, which we never saw).

 

[King Moe]

I can agree he's somewhere in the middle. So 4th is kind of the middle of 11.

One thing to note is how Kidd took Apoo's attack. He knows what Apoo's moves are like, so he was able to receive the attack standing. Which is different to Luffy and Zoro. This shows that Apoo's attacks really aren't any more powerful than regular attacks, just that they bypass defences. So if you're ready for it, they won't knock you about (maybe his big bass attack could, which we never saw).

True which is why Kidd is listed above since he knows how he works and can tank his attacks better or know how to more. Luffy was more first time as well as Zoro and while Luffy did bounce back from explosion, Zoro is left with bleeding wound to the point on his knees and that was less powerful than what he give to Luffy. Zoro isn't tanky like he used to be as shown in the arc, so got keep him reasonable how much attacks he can take now.

Apoo's attacks can be powerful as honestly that wasn't his full power, but they were still damaging enough and yes can bypass defense unless you Haki area he tries to hits you in. Best to handle him is by Haki to know his attacks and tank area when he hits you to at least come off less damage than before.

Sound has potential to be OP depending how experience he is and plus Haki, he can be even more damaging as it's almost like Luffy's Adv. COA on bypassing in hitting your body, but outside than inside, but still has potential to be very dangerous. Which I find him being Top 5 with them especially being major rival to Kidd is good point for him.

 

[Fox666]

Anyone redo their Supernova listings after last chapters thus far?

I did not have to, I already knew Appo and the others were that strong.

 

[nik87]

Anyone redo their Supernova listings after last chapters thus far?

Nothing changed, my list is bulletproof and likely wont change any time soon.

Zoro>Law>Luffy>Kidd>Drake>Urogue>Apoo>Hawkins>Bege>Killer>Bonney

The last five can change their places among each other, the gap isnt big among them and they havent been too impressive so far.

 

[M3J]

btw what about Garp ? does really anyone think of him to be strong. I mean, he was quite a threat for Rogers back then, i do think hes way stronger than we think.

I think we underestimate BB, this guy is possibly the stronger right now, with 2 valuable Devil fruits, he might possibly get another, i can see him ending up stealing Dragon's or Sabo's Df, and if Shanks dies some day, and he has some deathflag imo, if that happens, im pretty sure it would be from BB hands.

I think Garp is at the very least, able to beat an Emperor or most Emperors. At least nothing gave me the impression that he was weaker than them, unless you count him letting Luffy hit him.

Also, y'all need to learn to ignore nik or put him on block if you're going to have a problem with his posts. Yeesh.