One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Demonspeed]

Anyone redo their Supernova listings after last chapters thus far?

I never made one but let's go:

1. Luffy: The strongest by far.
2. Kid or Law, probably Kid but he hasn't impressed me so far.
3. Kid or Law, probably Law but he has better feats as of now. Anyway these two are close, equal or something.
4. Urouge: A captain who defeated a Sweet Commander, the only one to do so besides Luffy.
5. Zoro.
6. Drake: Would have ranked him higher before but with Zoro and Sanji's clashes with SN Captains(He and Hawkins) and since he is portrayed as one of the top 3 F6 I think he'll be defeated here.
7. Killer.
8. Apoo: Eighth for now. Could be top 4, and 2nd at best if he has a way to deal with people knowing his weakness.
9. Hawkins: He is weird because of his abilities but I put him here at worst and 4th at best(if he is very lucky).
10. Bonney.
11. Capone.

 

[M3J]

Call me Ishmael but Zoro should be top 3 tbh

 

[King Moe]

Call me Ishmael but Zoro should be top 3 tbh

Not with his performance and writing. No especially his feats and portrayal haven't compare to Apoo and Urouge who got more backing for them, let alone above Kidd and Law. At best he could be in 'mid', but even that is skeptical given Hawkins got better of him and nerf Killer. Wano really pushed down on his power, so can't say he got more to offer especially recent chapters shows.

 

[Fox666]

Here we go again

 

[McNuss]

1. Luffy
2. Bege - as of now, Big Father is the only feature comparable to Gear 4. He tanked multiple hits from Big Mom with it, and could keep going afterwards. Keep in mind it was immediately suspended so we never saw its full power. But technically Bege is a cheat as his "battle pets" are the entire Firetank Pirates, including the almost 100M Vito and Gotti and a cavalry squad.
3. Law/Zoro - We know for sure that Law is quite a lot weaker than Doflamingo, also Big Father > Gamma Knife. Zoro was never troubled by his opponents but if he would be able to take on Luffy's foes, plot structure would have to be different.
4. Urouge
5. Kid/Apoo/Drake
6. Hawkins
7. Killer
8. Bonney

However everyone below my Top 3 and even Zoro don't have full feats so the ranking is very sketchy.

 

[Shasha23]

1. Luffy : obvious reasons
2. Kid : Pirate rival of Luffy
3. Drake : Marine rival of Luffy
4. Zoro : Obvious reasons
5. Urouge / Law : both around YC 4
6. Law / Urouge : both around YC 4
7. Killer : will try and rival Zoro
8. Hawkins : Troublesome devil fruit
9. Apoo : Troublesome devil fruit
10. Capone : weak offensively 1 on 1 but has ridiculous defence
11. Bonney : OP devil fruit low combat abilities

 

[McNuss]

How would you think would Big Father perform against power-type fighters?

It's obvious that Katakuri and Perospero are mismatches.

But how would it perform against Cracker/Jack/Queen?

I actually think it could fight Jack, Cracker and Queen for quite a long time. It all depends on how fast it can move but I imagine it as unreasonably agile like the Shogun.

 

[King Moe]

1. Luffy
2. Bege - as of now, Big Father is the only feature comparable to Gear 4. He tanked multiple hits from Big Mom with it, and could keep going afterwards. Keep in mind it was immediately suspended so we never saw its full power. But technically Bege is a cheat as his "battle pets" are the entire Firetank Pirates, including the almost 100M Vito and Gotti and a cavalry squad.
3. Law/Zoro - We know for sure that Law is quite a lot weaker than Doflamingo, also Big Father > Gamma Knife. Zoro was never troubled by his opponents but if he would be able to take on Luffy's foes, plot structure would have to be different.
4. Urouge
5. Kid/Apoo/Drake
6. Hawkins
7. Killer
8. Bonney

However everyone below my Top 3 and even Zoro don't have full feats so the ranking is very sketchy.

Why you have Bege above all? Sorry but that overhyping him too much just because of BM as while he has big defense, there are ways to get around it and through it.

Also have Zoro too high given how he been treated as of late by his enemies especially Apoo and Hawkins got better of him. Which should be above him since he never got better of them if they did more damage to Zoro in the end.

Kidd should be higher given portrayal with Law as Luffy's Major Rivals to him as it's showing. Shouldn't underestimate him on that and his potential as goes for Killer as remember Nerf Killer got better of Zoro in tied fight. Now that he is back with his crew and got his regular look and weapons back, he is much stronger than before. I would put him above Zoro or equal to him at best until furthernotice.

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1. Luffy : obvious reasons
2. Kid : Pirate rival of Luffy
3. Drake : Marine rival of Luffy
4. Zoro : Obvious reasons
5. Urouge / Law : both around YC 4
6. Law / Urouge : both around YC 4
7. Killer : will try and rival Zoro
8. Hawkins : Troublesome devil fruit
9. Apoo : Troublesome devil fruit
10. Capone : weak offensively 1 on 1 but has ridiculous defence
11. Bonney : OP devil fruit low combat abilities

I am actually somewhat mixed and shock on your list. I thought you be type to put Zoro above Luffy or next to him in ranking, but you have Kid and even Drake above him? Curious how you feel why they are stronger than him.

Though Urouge and Law are above Zoro easily given one took out YC4 and one beaten Hawkins who Zoro had trouble with. Zoro hasn't shown anything above feats compare to them.

Apoo and Hawkins is above him like I said as he never beat them and they got better of him. If your excuse they just dangerous by DF alone, then your underestimating what comes into a fight than that. They are just stronger than you realize and thus Zoro is not above them after his performance.

Killer got better of Zoro while Nerf, so him weaker than Zoro if you mean Nerf, I agree, but now he is back and fine (Minus Smile effects) with his weapons back, he is different power now. He is stronger than Zoro from how it looks since he tied in his Nerf state. At best you can say they are equals, but until then, Zoro isn't above even him either.

 

[McNuss]

Why you have Bege above all? Sorry but that overhyping him too much just because of BM as while he has big defense, there are ways to get around it and through it.

Because unlike the others, Bege has feats, including his top end.

Also have Zoro too high given how he been treated as of late by his enemies especially Apoo and Hawkins got better of him. Which should be above him since he never got better of them if they did more damage to Zoro in the end.

No.

Kidd should be higher given portrayal with Law as Luffy's Major Rivals to him as it's showing. Shouldn't underestimate him on that and his potential as goes for Killer as remember Nerf Killer got better of Zoro in tied fight. Now that he is back with his crew and got his regular look and weapons back, he is much stronger than before. I would put him above Zoro or equal to him at best until furthernotice.

Portrayal =/= feats

And as far as their rivalry goes, Kid is a snowflake.

 

[nik87]

The 4 animals representing the 4 Emperors:
Roster - Shanks
Cat - Big Mom
Donkey - Blackbeard
Dog - Kaido
Zoro vs Kaido confirmed.

 

[King Moe]

Because unlike the others, Bege has feats, including his top end.

No.

Portrayal =/= feats

And as far as their rivalry goes, Kid is a snowflake.

He beaten no one. What feats is that? Tanking non-serious Yonko doesn't mean much if BM was holding back.

Yes. Zoro been hype tool to oblivion. He isn't Top 5 Supernova anymore.

True on certain characters, but feats mat h especially how Kidd saved Zoro and Luffy from Apoo. He isn't a snowflake, your underestimating him if you think there won't be more feats to him.

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The 4 animals representing the 4 Emperors:
Roster - Shanks
Cat - Big Mom
Donkey - Blackbeard
Dog - Kaido
Zoro vs Kaido confirmed.

That doesn't mean anything at all. Idk where you get ideas from. Zoro vs Orochi though as Zoro has been link to Snakes .

 

[nik87]

That doesn't mean anything at all. Idk where you get ideas from. Zoro vs Orochi though as Zoro has been link to Snakes .

Dont worry about the snakes, he will kill them too, both of them.

 

[King Moe]

Dont worry about the snakes, he will kill them too, both of them.

Nah, not just Snakes in his future. He need to redeem since he didn't beat that snake in Skypiea after all. Would be great to beat Orochi while leaving true Dragon Slayer to only Luffy .

 

[nik87]

Nah, not just Snakes in his future. He need to redeem since he didn't beat that snake in Skypiea after all. Would be great to beat Orochi while leaving true Dragon Slayer to only Luffy .

He should try to slay fodder like Ulti first.
Zoro is cleaning through hundreds of Elite Gifters who wanted to be Pirate King.
Soon he will step up and slay higher-ups. He is getting closer to Kaido slowly.
While he approaches him, he will look at Orochi and give him Monet treatment.

 

[King Moe]

He should try to slay fodder like Ulti first.
Zoro is cleaning through hundreds of Elite Gifters who wanted to be Pirate King.
Soon he will step up and slay higher-ups. He is getting closer to Kaido slowly.
While he approaches him, he will look at Orochi and give him Monet treatment.

He be fodder in that exchange from how Apoo got him. Zoro having trouble with Gifters right now, so he not going to face anyone at Kaido lvl at all let alone himself.

Only moment I see Zoro is not for the 'faint' of heart. Though don't worry, he have backup squad during team fight with Orochi, Kanjuro and the T6H with a sword.

 

[nik87]

He be fodder in that exchange from how Apoo got him. Zoro having trouble with Gifters right now, so he not going to face anyone at Kaido lvl at all let alone himself.

Only moment I see Zoro is not for the 'faint' of heart. Though don't worry, he have backup squad during team fight with Orochi, Kanjuro and the T6H with a sword.

Dont worry your pretty little head with Zoro. He is too much for you.
Also, Oda wanks him more than I do so Zoro will be the true star of the arc.

 

[Fox666]

2. Bege - as of now, Big Father is the only feature comparable to Gear 4. He tanked multiple hits from Big Mom with it, and could keep going afterwards. Keep in mind it was immediately suspended so we never saw its full power. But technically Bege is a cheat as his "battle pets" are the entire Firetank Pirates, including the almost 100M Vito and Gotti and a cavalry squad.

Bege didn't "tanked" Big Mom attacks, she was ripping the Big Father apart. But the Big Father is a 80 meter tall, so even Big Mom would take some time doing so. I presume if she wasn't out of her mind, she would have used her sword to cut it in half with a single attack.

Overall, Bege didn't do anything that impressive. Also he called Nekomamushi a monster, and ran away from him. So by his own admission, he wouldn't stand a chance against someone at the Yonko commander level.

 

[M3J]

Aaanyway, Zoro is top 3 because he hasn't overall shown to be weaker than Law or Kidd. The only problem against Kidd is that he'll have to deal without swords as Kidd can attract the swords to him due to the metal. Against Law, he'd have to find a way to deal with Room, but otherwise I'm not sure what puts Law above Zoro.

 

[King Moe]

Aaanyway, Zoro is top 3 because he hasn't overall shown to be weaker than Law or Kidd. The only problem against Kidd is that he'll have to deal without swords as Kidd can attract the swords to him due to the metal. Against Law, he'd have to find a way to deal with Room, but otherwise I'm not sure what puts Law above Zoro.

Law beat Hawkins who Zoro had trouble with early on. No contest to say Zoro is as equal to them as that like saying Zoro same level as Luffy which he isn't. I see no way Zoro can somehow stronger than them when said man been hype tool by enemies who blasted him badly especially Apoo and Hawkins. It ended in dominance on their end, not Zoro. He even couldn't take out Nerf Killer without tying with him. If Oda wanted to push a way to have Zoro be stronger than all of them, he would have, but portrayal and feats shows, Zoro doesn't compete much to Supernova Captains at all in majority wise. Nothing to evidence he will get around or beat Kidd or Law at all given their Hax power and Haki.

 

[Fox666]

Aaanyway, Zoro is top 3 because he hasn't overall shown to be weaker than Law or Kidd. The only problem against Kidd is that he'll have to deal without swords as Kidd can attract the swords to him due to the metal. Against Law, he'd have to find a way to deal with Room, but otherwise I'm not sure what puts Law above Zoro.

It would be more accurate to just say "Zoro hasn't shown" :/