One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
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5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
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7. Law having CoC currently.
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[HereNThere]

Her physical feats will probably be assisted by wind force.

That...will actually be acceptable.

 

[jaymizzo]

Yonko commander level rocks

YC level rocks, Yonko level rocks, Im sama level rocks. I wonder what the lowest level of rocks is.

 

[Pirate Queen]

YC level rocks, Yonko level rocks, Im sama level rocks. I wonder what the lowest level of rocks is.

When you don't know it has nothing to do with the ability and all to do with the wielder.

Enel, OP DF as fuck... clowned on
Foxy, OP DF as fuck... weak ambition
Pica, OP DF as fuck... coward who can't use it properly

But sure, I love Pica utilizing Im-sama level rocks being God Tier

 

[albertwv]

Pica at best is VA level. He can defeat Maynard and maybe Bastille but im sure any of the Buster Call VAs shown in Enies Lobby can find a way to defeat him.
And yes G4 Luffy could easily defeat Pica one way or another.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Pica at best is VA level. He can defeat Maynard and maybe Bastille but im sure any of the Buster Call VAs shown in Enies Lobby can find a way to defeat him.
And yes G4 Luffy could easily defeat Pica one way or another.

Zoro knew it, can't see why swordbois think they know better than him lol

 

[King Moe]

When you don't know it has nothing to do with the ability and all to do with the wielder.

Enel, OP DF as fuck... clowned on
Foxy, OP DF as fuck... weak ambition
Pica, OP DF as fuck... coward who can't use it properly

But sure, I love Pica utilizing Im-sama level rocks being God Tier

Actually I can vouch for Enel being stronger than he looks if he was in NW, just that Luffy was his primary weakness and without him, they wouldn't last. Though your right on the last 2 more.

 

[Fox666]

Also, Zoro has shown CoO since long before that scene.

Zoro doesn't seem to be very good at CoO.

 

[Aki1991]

Actually I can vouch for Enel being stronger than he looks if he was in NW, just that Luffy was his primary weakness and without him, they wouldn't last. Though your right on the last 2 more.

This!

Enel was op and is underestimated. He lost because of plot. Luffy would have been melted when he put the gold stuff on him normally. He had one of the best Haki we have seen so far, too. Besides he got up immediately after his defeat and flew to the moon. He was not interested in the defeat. He could be potential admiral level, if he would not be so megalomaniac and would train. Reason for this is, that he was never realy challanged in Skypia.

 

[King Moe]

This!

Ende was op and is underestimated. He lost because of plot. Luffy would have been melted when he put the gold stuff on him normally. He had one of the best Haki we have seen so far, too. Besides he got up immediately after his defeat and flew to the moon. He was not interested in the defeat. He could be potential admiral level, if he would not be so megalomaniac and would train. Reason for this is, that he was never realy challanged in Skypia.

Wouldn't say plot, but more DF counter. Though not blind to say Enel give challenge despite DF Disadvantage. He could really be huge threat if he came back as didn't Oda said his bounty would be 500 million Beris at his level, so might be much stronger since then.

 

[M3J]

Nami can still be a member of the weak trio, they'd just be weak in comparison to the rest. Robin will assuredly use her fruit, but given it's nature, she could use some increased physical strength to increase it's effectiveness/save energy on her part.

Dunno, I still don't really see them getting stronger at this point, but I forgot that Robin getting stronger helps her use her devil fruit better.

 

[nik87]

People who cant power scale only mock Pica and say that this or that character would beat him easily without actually saying how they would do that. Looks like a pretty good amount of users on this forum as well as in other forums. A shame...

 

[Nie Li]

Zoro doesn't seem to be very good at CoO.

Could you tell me when has he shown he's bad at it?
Honest question.
I remember Zoro showing some form of very rudimentary CoO back in Arabasta (right before Blackbeard's first appearance, in hich he already used the word "Haki") and Water 7.
I remember Zoro, Sanji and Luffy showing the same level of CoO after the timeskip, in Fishman Island.
To be honest right now I don't remember more cases, but I don't remember any scene telling us Zoro is bad as CoO, so if there's one I want to know.

When you don't know it has nothing to do with the ability and all to do with the wielder.

Enel, OP DF as fuck... clowned on
Foxy, OP DF as fuck... weak ambition
Pica, OP DF as fuck... coward who can't use it properly

But sure, I love Pica utilizing Im-sama level rocks being God Tier

In the first place, Enel wasn't clowned on. He WAS very strong and had one of the strongest CoO we have seen so far even in the NW. Luffy being made of rubber made him 100% invulnerable to his main ability and made him able to hit him (which would be just like someone using strong CoA against him and I have my doubts that'd protect against all of the effects of electricity) and Enel still beat him once by being smart.

Foxy's DF isn't OP at all in the sense Pica's is. Pica's DF is the same kind of Magellan: It makes you OP even if you're a weakling. Foxy's Noro Noro no Mi can be very useful and even act as some sort of Za Warudo but it gives the user no kind of super invulnerability like Pica has; it's just one straight, dodgeable, beam. Very strong, but not OP at all. This is like comparing Magellan to Corazón and trying to make a point.

Pica was a coward. Pica could obviously be much stronger if he was stronger without his fruit and was smarter, obviously, but there are fruits that are simply OP. Could be more OP on the hands of another person, but they're already overpowered on their own, it's not like every fruit is equal.

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Also: "Pica's a coward and it doesn't matter what DF he has because he just hides behind his power and run away and his fighting style is called losing".
But the same people: "Cracker is an awesome swordsman and he's awesome and strong and his biscuits that do all the fighting for him while he hides in one of them, avoiding close combat as much as he can are awesome too".

You can claim it's not about Pica not being a YC that you understimate him, but nik is right here.

 

[jaymizzo]

Man you have fruits like Law, Doffy, BM, Pudding, Sugar, BB, Marco, Magellan... but sure, a fruit that collects rocks is OP.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Actually I can vouch for Enel being stronger than he looks if he was in NW, just that Luffy was his primary weakness and without him, they wouldn't last. Though your right on the last 2 more.

Could you tell me when has he shown he's bad at it?
Honest question.
I remember Zoro showing some form of very rudimentary CoO back in Arabasta (right before Blackbeard's first appearance, in hich he already used the word "Haki") and Water 7.
I remember Zoro, Sanji and Luffy showing the same level of CoO after the timeskip, in Fishman Island.
To be honest right now I don't remember more cases, but I don't remember any scene telling us Zoro is bad as CoO, so if there's one I want to know.


In the first place, Enel wasn't clowned on. He WAS very strong and had one of the strongest CoO we have seen so far even in the NW. Luffy being made of rubber made him 100% invulnerable to his main ability and made him able to hit him (which would be just like someone using strong CoA against him and I have my doubts that'd protect against all of the effects of electricity) and Enel still beat him once by being smart.

Foxy's DF isn't OP at all in the sense Pica's is. Pica's DF is the same kind of Magellan: It makes you OP even if you're a weakling. Foxy's Noro Noro no Mi can be very useful and even act as some sort of Za Warudo but it gives the user no kind of super invulnerability like Pica has; it's just one straight, dodgeable, beam. Very strong, but not OP at all. This is like comparing Magellan to Corazón and trying to make a point.

Pica was a coward. Pica could obviously be much stronger if he was stronger without his fruit and was smarter, obviously, but there are fruits that are simply OP. Could be more OP on the hands of another person, but they're already overpowered on their own, it's not like every fruit is equal.

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Also: "Pica's a coward and it doesn't matter what DF he has because he just hides behind his power and run away and his fighting style is called losing".
But the same people: "Cracker is an awesome swordsman and he's awesome and strong and his biscuits that do all the fighting for him while he hides in one of them, avoiding close combat as much as he can are awesome too".

You can claim it's not about Pica not being a YC that you understimate him, but nik is right here.

Agree to disagree I guess

 

[Aki1991]

Man you have fruits like Law, Doffy, BM, Pudding, Sugar, BB, Marco, Magellan... but sure, a fruit that collects rocks is OP.

I´ve checked the Pica fight again. Pica´s fruit is op tbh and comparable to crocodiles fruit, if the enviroment is good. But Pica himself is not the strongest. But why is Pica always named as Doflamingos right hand? It was Vergo not him.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I´ve checked the Pica fight again. Pica´s fruit is op tbh and comparable to crocodiles fruit, if the enviroment is good. But Pica himself is not the strongest. But why is Pica always named as Doflamingos right hand? It was Vergo not him.

Which swings back around to it being the wielder not the ability that makes. A character strong. A few people don't understand that in this forum.

 

[jaymizzo]

Wouldn't that mean that under the right circumstances, any fruit is OP if given to a Yonkou level character?

There are fruits that are directly OP regardless of weilder. Sugars fruit doesn't really make a difference who is weilding it. Laws fruit the same. Some fruits you simply don't have to be strong to actually be OP.

With Picas fruit, all we have is the functions we are exposed to. We don't know the full mechanics but so far, Im happy to go with what the Manga has shown and the fruit is not exactly special. Crocos fruit can turn a grassland into a dessert, that is OP as hell. The guy can drain all the moister from your body... That is OP as hell. These are things we are exposed to.

 

[nik87]

Which swings back around to it being the wielder not the ability that makes. A character strong. A few people don't understand that in this forum.

The reality is completely the opposite. Pica's DF is what made him strong.
Kaido with Pica's DF wouldnt perform any differently because the stats of the user dont affect the stone Golem in any way possible.
No matter who wields that DF, the performance is the same.

 

[thedude]

I´ve checked the Pica fight again. Pica´s fruit is op tbh and comparable to crocodiles fruit, if the enviroment is good. But Pica himself is not the strongest. But why is Pica always named as Doflamingos right hand? It was Vergo not him.

Pica isn't always named as Doflamingos right hand...only certain posters here seem to think so (to elevate Zoro). Really, looking at how the crew interacted, the pecking order went:

Doflamingo
Vergo
Trebol
Diamante
Pica

In that order. I won't say Trebol is stronger than Pica, hard to gauge that. But Vergo was most certainly above him, a high end VA with some of the best armament haki we've seen in the manga.

But Pica's devil fruit was really strong,people shouldn't downplay it. And he clearly had good armament haki. Zoro was just stronger. But we don't have to pretend he was the strongest in Doffy's crew, it's just not true. And he is certainly no match for any of the YC's we've seen.

 

[Fox666]

But Pica himself is not the strongest. But why is Pica always named as Doflamingos right hand? It was Vergo not him.

Pica was called Doflamingo right hand because he is one of the executives. It's not something exclusive to him.

I think the manga very much implied that Vergo was special even among the executives, because of both his strength and his loyalty.