One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[The Prince of Darkness]

I think WB and GL Shiki were Roger's rivals as Pirates(whole crew and notoriety) but as a Fighter Roger is above them. Maybe not a huge gap but still above.
Roger was without a doubt the Strongest Pirate and if someone could have been above him I'd say maybe Rocks D. Xebec.

Shiki been take on by both Garp and Sengoku wasn't because he was stronger than them individually but rather capturing him alive would be less difficult with the 2 of them.
(Like when, on the Webtoon Noblesse, they send 2 Family Leaders to capture Frankenstein 'cause 1 would be enough to kill him even though it'd be hard but still possible, while capturing him alive would need 2 of them)

 

[M3J]

Whitebeard might have even been superior to Roger, but they had a cordial relationship, and it's not like Whitebeard cared to be seen as the strongest pirate. They probably had a friendly rivalry full of respect, and we see them fighting but then partying together afterwards, no?

 

[LadyVados]

A sword and... hakis

That’s how OP a sword and Haki is

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 12, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 12, 2020 ---

I will say this, Mihawk may or may not be weaker than Prime WB, but he is clearly superior to old WB. Old WB was portrayed as the equal of Mihawk’s inferior Shanks. And Marineford WB was arguably weaker than Kizaru.

IMO Mihawk > Shanks = Healthy Old WB > Sick WB < Kizaru

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 12, 2020 ---

Shanks is a Yonko, so Rayleigh is the same tier.

Interestingly that was talking about an Old Rayleigh, that would imply a Prime Rayleigh was a tier higher...

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

Whitebeard might have even been superior to Roger, but they had a cordial relationship, and it's not like Whitebeard cared to be seen as the strongest pirate. They probably had a friendly rivalry full of respect, and we see them fighting but then partying together afterwards, no?

I agree, yes, but the same thing can be said about Roger too. He didn't really cared about been the strongest, he was just bored. He never saw WB as an enemy so he never fought him all out. They had an cordial relationship, it was obvious.
But I still think in a death match, Roger would be the winner with really high diff.

In the end, not only the Roger Pirates were the Top dog because the Roger but also because with Dark King Rayleigh it's like they had 2 Yonkou in the Crew.

 

[M3J]

I agree, yes, but the same thing can be said about Roger too. He didn't really cared about been the strongest, he was just bored. He never saw WB as an enemy so he never fought him all out. They had an cordial relationship, it was obvious.
But I still think in a death match, Roger would be the winner with really high diff.

In the end, not only the Roger Pirates were the Top dog because the Roger but also because with Dark King Rayleigh it's like they had 2 Yonkou in the Crew.

I don't see how Roger would be able to beat Whitebeard, given Whitebeard's devil fruit giving him an advantage as well. Whitebeard seems to be at top of the chain, while characters probably think otherwise because Roger survived long enough to become the Pirate King.

 

[jaymizzo]

Weird question I have for everyone as im not sure where I would post this.

What would be a stronger devil fruit. A Storm paramecia or a Wind logia?

Asking as I've gone into a rabbit hole of predicting Dragons DF.

 

[Fox666]

What would be a stronger devil fruit. A Storm paramecia or a Wind logia?

Logias are, by definition, stronger than Paramecia.

According to the author, Whitebeard's fruit is the strongest Paramecia, and is as strong as a Logia. So we can conclude there is no other Paramecia on the same level.

 

[jaymizzo]

Logias are, by definition, stronger than Paramecia.

According to the author, Whitebeard's fruit is the strongest Paramecia, and is as strong as a Logia. So we can conclude there is no other Paramecia on the same level.

Damn, that saves me researching Storms power from X-men. The little I know about how Storms powers work make it seems as dangerous a natural disaster as the quake fruit.

So its generally accepted that the strongest Paramecia would be weaker than the strongest Logia? If thats the case, what is the strongest Logia currently? Is it still Enels fruit or is it Kizaru.

Well, was hoping for more of a discussion over Storm vs Wind fruit.

Spoiler: Storm

For reference, been watching this video to get some more perspective on how Storm powers could work in OP.

Going deeper into this rabbit hole, it seems that Weather fruit > Storm fruit > Wind fruit do you all agree with this?

 

[Fox666]

Damn, that saves me researching Storms power from X-men. The little I know about how Storms powers work make it seems as dangerous a natural disaster as the quake fruit.

Only Logias (and Whitebeard) were shown to be capable of causing something on a scale of a natural disaster.

So its generally accepted that the strongest Paramecia would be weaker than the strongest Logia? If thats the case, what is the strongest Logia currently? Is it still Enels fruit or is it Kizaru.

According to Blackbeard, the Yami Yami no Mi is the strongest Devil Fruit.

 

[Nie Li]

Damn, that saves me researching Storms power from X-men. The little I know about how Storms powers work make it seems as dangerous a natural disaster as the quake fruit.

So its generally accepted that the strongest Paramecia would be weaker than the strongest Logia? If thats the case, what is the strongest Logia currently? Is it still Enels fruit or is it Kizaru.

Well, was hoping for more of a discussion over Storm vs Wind fruit.

Spoiler: Storm

For reference, been watching this video to get some more perspective on how Storm powers could work in OP.

Going deeper into this rabbit hole, it seems that Weather fruit > Storm fruit > Wind fruit do you all agree with this?

It's useless to research Storm to deduce what powers a weather DF could have. The scale and application could be very different, just like the scale of what the mutant Pyro could do in the movies and what Ace could do (even without taking into account the logia invulnerability) or how Magneto's full powers are stronger than any DF we have seen while Eustass' DF is quite limited despite both being "Magnetism paramecias".

 

[goldb]

In terms of ability I think it would go logia > paramecia > zoan. Then it would depend on the individual's own strength and application of said power. Whitebeard's devil fruit is just insane to even fathom what he can do with. Then Akainu's devil fruit was stated to be the most destructive. I don't think that's solely because of the fruit but of Akainu's application (his strenth in using it) on it.

 

[LadyVados]

Only Logias (and Whitebeard) were shown to be capable of causing something on a scale of a natural disaster.


According to Blackbeard, the Yami Yami no Mi is the strongest Devil Fruit.

Fujitora: Am I a joke to you ?

Sengoku enters the chat.


I believe Akainu’s DF was started to be the most powerful in all of existence in a databook.

 

[Nie Li]

Fujitora: Am I a joke to you ?

Sengoku enters the chat.


I believe Akainu’s DF was started to be the most powerful in all of existence in a databook.

To be more precise it was said to have the highest destructive capabilities out of any other DF.

 

[costicla]

Only Logias (and Whitebeard) were shown to be capable of causing something on a scale of a natural disaster.


According to Blackbeard, the Yami Yami no Mi is the strongest Devil Fruit.

Ahem, Pica's stone fruit. Dressrosa's whole landscape is different now because of it fruit.

 

[Fox666]

Ahem, Pica's stone fruit. Dressrosa's whole landscape is different now because of it fruit.

That's an exaggeration. Pica stole part of the King's Plateau to make his statue. But it's nothing compared to what some Logias can do.

Here you can clearly see how big Pica's statue is compared to Dressrosa as a whole:

Spoiler

Fujitora: Am I a joke to you ?

Fujitora and Doflamingo are the Paramecia with the largest scale effect we have seen, behind Whitebeard.

However they are still behind the Logias. Compare it to Aokiji freezing the tsunamis, or Kizaru "nuking the ocean" at the end of Marineford arc.

Sengoku enters the chat.

Sengoku has not caused any large scale destruction.

 

[costicla]

That's an exaggeration. Pica stole part of the King's Plateau to make his statue. But it's nothing compared to what some Logias can do.

Here you can clearly see how big Pica's statue is compared to Dressrosa as a whole:

Spoiler

Fujitora and Doflamingo are the Paramecia with the largest scale effect we have seen, behind Whitebeard.

However they are still behind the Logias. Compare it to Aokiji freezing the tsunamis, or Kizaru "nuking the ocean" at the end of Marineford arc.


Sengoku has not caused any large scale destruction.

Pica assimilates into stone, that's his power, he was as big as the city and would have destroyed it he wasn't stopped, that's clearly on the scale of a natural disaster.

 

[Fox666]

Pica assimilates into stone, that's his power, he was as big as the city and would have destroyed it he wasn't stopped, that's clearly on the scale of a natural disaster.

Pica's statue was nowhere the size of a city. It was smaller than the King's Plateau.

 

[LadyVados]

That's an exaggeration. Pica stole part of the King's Plateau to make his statue. But it's nothing compared to what some Logias can do.

Here you can clearly see how big Pica's statue is compared to Dressrosa as a whole:

Spoiler

Fujitora and Doflamingo are the Paramecia with the largest scale effect we have seen, behind Whitebeard.

However they are still behind the Logias. Compare it to Aokiji freezing the tsunamis, or Kizaru "nuking the ocean" at the end of Marineford arc.


Sengoku has not caused any large scale destruction.

Giant-impact hypothesis - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Chicxulub crater - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Sengoku’s quakes were shown to be as powerful as Gura gura quakes

 

[Nie Li]

Giant-impact hypothesis - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Chicxulub crater - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Sengoku’s quakes were shown to be as powerful as Gura gura quakes

Fujitora's meteorites so far haven't been that big. We don't know if he could actually pull one like that.

 

[Fox666]

Speaking of meteors, the manga vastly underestimates the power of a meteor.

Looking at that panel, Fujitora released several meteor, the largest one with a diameter around 500m (compared to Pica's statue).

The Chelyabinsk meteor was only 20m and it had the force of 30 Hiroshimas.

In real life, Fujitora's attack would have destroyed a continent.