One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

Ground Rules for the Power Level Discussion Thread
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• We will strive to avoid repetitive discussions and any extensive battle topics will be guided to the Davy Back fight to existing threads or new ones can be made there.

As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

If you wish to continue any of these discussion and remove it from the list, you will need to provide manga material as proof. If there's also anything you think we've covered numerous times, let me know and I'll update the list.

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[LadyVados]

I really don’t see how people are putting Zoro below Drake when the latest chapter showed us Nitoryu Zoro = Hybrid Drake.

 

[hokageji]

What ?

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When has Fuji ever used a gun ?

You are the one whose logic puts swordsmen higher than others... by that logic guns are above swords not sure what fuji has anthing to do with it.

I really don’t see how people are putting Zoro below Drake when the latest chapter showed us Nitoryu Zoro = Hybrid Drake.

I would put Drake higher simply because he's a former captain, has a great zoan and has years of training as a marine. Hes gotta be a special marine considering how he's selected to infiltrate Kaido's ranks. He isnt ordinary.

If you ask me after this arc, i would put Zoro higher and can agree with that logic for Zoro in top 5, but not above number 4.

 

[LadyVados]

You are the one whose logic puts swordsmen higher than others... by that logic guns are above swords not sure what fuji has anthing to do with it.



I would put Drake higher simply because he's a former captain, has a great zoan and has years of training as a marine. Hes gotta be a special marine considering how he's selected to infiltrate Kaido's ranks. He isnt ordinary.

If you ask me after this arc, i would put Zoro higher and can agree with that logic for Zoro in top 5, but not above number 4.

Zoro is going to be WSS, he has to be above his fellow swordsman rookies.

Zoro is going to beat King 1v1 and Open Kaido’s scar. That should conclusively put him above Law and Urouge and probably even Kid. The only one on that level will be Luffy.

 

[Ramen]

Zoro is going to beat King 1v1 and Open Kaido’s scar

According to who?

 

[LadyVados]

According to who?

I think the first one is pretty obvious from context and the second is pretty much confirmed based on Kaido’s statements.

 

[LaGOAT]

Happy someone acknowledge Zoro isn't Top 5 Supernovas and using logic from what the manga is showing.


Headcannon rent in your mind must be nice especially when you hurt your own arguments? You do realize I am not only one who lists Zoro not in top 5 from looking at other lists. Guess they contradicting your own ideals too .

Ya but I think zoro>sanji tho

 

[King Moe]

Luffy
Kidd
Law
Urouge
Drake
Zoro
The rest

Interesting. You don't put Apoo above despite him showing above Zoro and Drake having hard time to stop him?

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Ya but I think zoro>sanji tho

Nah, the opposite from what Queen have stated .

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I think the first one is pretty obvious from context and the second is pretty much confirmed based on Kaido’s statements.

Nah, hardly at all. Queen vs Zoro have more backing and Oda will not give someone in the crew over Luffy's achievements on beating someone he wants to fight with. Zoro will do his part, but nothing like that.

 

[LaGOAT]

Interesting. You don't put Apoo above despite him showing above Zoro and Drake having hard time to stop him?

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Nah, the opposite from what Queen have stated .

Lol u trolling I see ya he was talking about drake and zoro when referring 2s and 3s and then desrespected sanji right

 

[albertwv]

Moe downplays ZoLo by using Apoo. He has no other proof. He claims Killer > ZoLo even though Killer clearly lost to ZoLo and was given an opening thanks to Gyukimaru. Hawkins lost 2 of his lives fighting ZoLo, while ZoLo ony got damaged because he shielded Luffy and Otama from the nails attack. We have yet to see Full power ZoLo but for whatever reason Moe thinks ZoLo is weak.
Apoo was able to damage both Luffy (knocking him unconscious for 1 minute) and ZoLo but once they found out his ability, werent harmed any longer.
ZoLo and Drake are NOT having a hard time against Apoo. Moe clearly doesnt read manga.
Sanji lost agaisnt King, but he still thinks they're going to be matched up again. This is coming from the guy who matched up ZoLo and Orochi and look how that ended.

 

[King Moe]

Lol u trolling I see ya he was talking about drake and zoro when referring 2s and 3s and then desrespected sanji right

He holding bounties of the Strawhats. Why would be talking about Drake when holding them? Your headcannon is stretching by far on insecurity to admit he sees Sanji as stronger of the two xD.

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Moe downplays ZoLo by using Apoo. He has no other proof. He claims Killer > ZoLo even though Killer clearly lost to ZoLo and was given an opening thanks to Gyukimaru. Hawkins lost 2 of his lives fighting ZoLo, while ZoLo ony got damaged because he shielded Luffy and Otama from the nails attack. We have yet to see Full power ZoLo but for whatever reason Moe thinks ZoLo is weak.
Apoo was able to damage both Luffy (knocking him unconscious for 1 minute) and ZoLo but once they found out his ability, werent harmed any longer.
ZoLo and Drake are NOT having a hard time against Apoo. Moe clearly doesnt read manga.
Sanji lost agaisnt King, but he still thinks they're going to be matched up again. This is coming from the guy who matched up ZoLo and Orochi and look how that ended.

Talk to Oda on what he been showing us against Supernovas especially latest chapter. Your headcannon to state Zoro is above them without any evidence is more fanboyism than canon statement. Zoro is under them given he was hype tool through them. Also again Hawkins losing an life means nothing. That is his gimmick, he doesn't care if you take life as he fight in that style and he didn't protect no one to take nails. Luffy can defend himself.

Sanji never lost any fight with King, He block and tank his attack. What headcannon are you stating? Orochi can come back to life given his real life lore and DF, we have to see and you were the ones stating PO vs Sanji will happen and look what happen? He is above T6H mark and facing YC lvl opponent unlike Zoro who struggling with someone to say he can solo YC and then fight Kaido is illogical by far.

 

[LaGOAT]

He holding bounties of the Strawhats. Why would be talking about Drake when holding them? Your headcannon is stretching by far on insecurity to admit he sees Sanji as stronger of the two xD.

Although ur wrong cause he said drake and then said zoro as 2s and 3s and then sanji as an aftertought Let’s say u was right about this. He till mention zoro first and then sanji as 2s n 3s it’s ok that ur in denial bro it’s happens to all of us

 

[Ramen]

Interesting. You don't put Apoo above despite him showing above Zoro and Drake having hard time to stop him?

No.

 

[albertwv]

He holding bounties of the Strawhats. Why would be talking about Drake when holding them? Your headcannon is stretching by far on insecurity to admit he sees Sanji as stronger of the two xD.

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Talk to Oda on what he been showing us against Supernovas especially latest chapter. Your headcannon to state Zoro is above them without any evidence is more fanboyism than canon statement. Zoro is under them given he was hype tool through them. Also again Hawkins losing an life means nothing. That is his gimmick, he doesn't care if you take life as he fight in that style and he didn't protect no one to take nails. Luffy can defend himself.

Sanji never lost any fight with King, He block and tank his attack. What headcannon are you stating? Orochi can come back to life given his real life lore and DF, we have to see and you were the ones stating PO vs Sanji will happen and look what happen? He is above T6H mark and facing YC lvl opponent unlike Zoro who struggling with someone to say he can solo YC and then fight Kaido is illogical by far.

ZoLo showed superiority towards Hawkins and Killer, the manga shows that. That's not headcannon. He protected both Luffy and Otama.
Sanji lost the fight. end of story. We havent seen Sanji defeat on screen a Flying 6. Page One may even be the weakest among the Flying 6. I think Sanji will face another Flying 6 maybe Who's Who.
You're making stuff up about Orochi again..wow.

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

Luffy
Kidd
Law
Urouge
Drake
Zoro
The rest

Mine would be like yours only with Law above Kidd and Urouge below Zoro only because we didn't see much of him for now. But yeah the 6 first sits of the Supernovas belong to those 6

 

[Ramen]

Mine would be like yours only with Law above Kidd and Urouge below Zoro only because we didn't see much of him for now. But yeah the 6 first sits of the Supernovas belong to those 6

Kidd I'd say is physically stronger but Law has better hax. Either way, you can't go wrong where you put them. Urouge did take out snack and his ability is OP.

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

Kidd I'd say is physically stronger but Law has better hax. Either way, you can't go wrong where you put them. Urouge did take out snack and his ability is OP.

Yeah I get what you mean.
That's the thing about ranking in One Piece, especially when it come to the Supernovas, cuz depending of the criteria you're taking, the ranking changes.
Ex : if we're talking about DF, Law will be above everyone and should be able to defeat all the others with mid to high diff.
If we're talking about raw physical strength than it change again with Law hitting the bottom and Zoro and Urouge reaching the top alongside Luffy and Kidd
If we're talking about Hakis than Luffy followed by Zoro will be at the top.

That's why I try to not think too much about ranking Supernovas

 

[Ramen]

That's why I try to not think too much about ranking Supernovas

I only did it because I was asked. In general, I've started to hate power scaling and everything it intails. Such toxicity comes from power scaling. Just enjoy the series you know?

 

[M3J]

Who between Garp and Sengoku is stronger, according to Oda? Has he talked about that?

 

[goldb]

Who between Garp and Sengoku is stronger, according to Oda? Has he talked about that?

Never been addressed. The manga doesn't make any comparisons really; Sengoku is usually mentioned in terms of intellect and a great strategist, whereas as Garp is known as Hero of the Marines and we know some of his specific encounters with legendary pirates.

That said Sengoku was also an Admiral and then Fleet Admiral. I personally wouldn't think there's much in it but would probably because he's the one with presented feats. It's difficult to make the same case for Sengoku and his rank doesn't hold up in a debate, seeing as we know Garp rejected that same position multiple times.

 

[HereNThere]

Sengoku doesn't have much going on for him, but Roger did vouch for him in the same breath as Garp, so I'd say he's legit. As for who's the stronger of the two? Who knows. He's the only marine we of so far to have CoC, so that's something too.