One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Pirate Queen]

All that Gear 2 and hormone shots will kick in at some point.

Okay if Oda kills Luffy at 21 and Zoro lives to be 40, I will concede to Zoro fans and say Zoro is the strongest in verse lol

 

[LadyVados]

Actually I think both Luffy and Zoro's deaths have been foreshadowed.

Oda once said in an SBS Zoro might die in his 40s or something along those lines.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Actually I think both Luffy and Zoro's deaths have been foreshadowed.

How is Zoro's death foreshadowed?

 

[LadyVados]

How is Zoro's death foreshadowed?

Ryuuma died at 47 from mysterious circumstances IIRC

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Also I’ve been saying 21 when I meant to say 19 !

 

[Pirate Queen]

How is Zoro's death foreshadowed?

 

[LadyVados]

What are the thoughts on Yamato ? I think he could be around YC level and he may even knock Sanji down a few places in the crew’s strength ratings.

 

[Fox666]

How is Zoro's death foreshadowed?

He's constantly in near-death situations, has cursed swords, his master/rival is based on Dracula, the entire scene with Kuma and more recently the talk about samurais and death.

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What are the thoughts on Yamato ? I think he could be around YC level and he may even knock Sanji down a few places in the crew’s strength ratings.

Yamato took down Ulti and one of the Numbers, both which forced Luffy to use Gear 4.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Here's a fun ranking in order of strength I thought of off the bat! You may or may not read in to it. In a sense it's my POV of how I see the elite characters in One Piece both alive and dead and their overall ranking taking in to perspective their combat strength in their prime - especially for those who are beyond that age/dead - and currently as the story goes.
Notice the 3 asterisked characters more explanation about why they are ranked there and my reason behind it...


Character : Tier

Roger: Legendary
Whitebeard: Legendary
Garp: Legendary
Xebec: Legendary
Sengoku: Legendary
Rayleigh: Legendary
Kaido: Great - Legendary
Shanks: Great - Legendary
Big Mom: Great - Legendary
*Oden: Great - Legendary
*Blackbeard: Great
Akainu & Aokiji: Great
Kizaru: Great
Fujitora & Ryokogyu: Great
*Mihawk: Great
Beckman: Great
Marco: Great
Katakuri: Great
King: Great
Weevil: Great
Tsuru: Great

From here on, the list broadens and accomodates too many characters mostly in the YC level category. Many of whom we are familiar with. I may decide to share my thoughts on those when I have the chance but I'll pause here for now.

So as for the asterisked trio:

1) The only reason Oden isn't in the Legendary tier is due to the fact that he died just before his prime (he was almost there). He definitely would have been at least on par with Rayleigh but an untimely death prevented that. I'm one of those who feel he might have reached a similar level to Roger and Whitebeard if only he lived like 20 years more. He was this close!

2) Blackbeard may be the freshest Yonko in terms of coronation - of course Shanks has the best looks and is the youngest of the 4 - and that shouldn't be a judge of his strength compared to the rest but it just feels that way for me. He may as well be in the Great - Legendary tier of my list (sitting bottom) but I'd regretfully settle with him taking the no. 1 spot among the Great tier.

3) The most handsome Shichibukai ever elected. Arguably the most handsome character in the series. I feel there's a slim chance Mihawk ranks with the Great - Legendary tier but that just doesn't sit well with what I've seen so far. This is the one character that has caused me a little headache but the least he can be is being on par with characters in the Great tier. I hope I don't regret this decision when the Mihawk reveal begins and the man shows off his "great" sword skills

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I think it's time Kaido gets in my Legendary tier. He'll be the first character among the current Yonkos to reach that level for me. He's earned it.

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For those who thought/still think the weakest Yonko would go down first.
Well, unless Kaido somehow escapes defeat this arc, I don't see that happening.

It may have been a thing in most storytelling trope were the weakest is taken down first and then progressively, the protagonist fights his way to the strongest. Here, we have the "strongest pirate/strongest creature" being set-up to go down in what is likely going to be an overly collective effort with Luffy spearheading it.
Also to those who think Luffy automatically becomes Kaido level or Kaido strong after this war you're all set up for disappointment. You don't get stronger than your opponent when you defeat them by collective effort. Luffy is still likely going to be weaker than the established Yonko post Wano but the gap between him and any one of them would have narrowed down significantly. It would be similar to the gap between a Yonko's second in command and an Admiral but with the room for explosive growth in-battle.

 

[Nie Li]

Luffy dying after the final war is a common theory.

I'm ready for seeing Luffy become a bad parent figure while his daughter Buffy tries to become King of the Pirates herself in the sequel.

I don't think Luffy will die simply because he's the "face" of One Piece. He's not only the protagonist but also a character recognized even by non-otaku people internationally, so they'll want to keep him around for eternity like Goku.

I'll actually be happy if they don't and just let One Piece die when its time comes, but I don't think they will.

 

[LadyVados]

I'm ready for seeing Luffy become a bad parent figure while his daughter Buffy tries to become King of the Pirates herself in the sequel.

I don't think Luffy will die simply because he's the "face" of One Piece. He's not only the protagonist but also a character recognized even by non-otaku people internationally, so they'll want to keep him around for eternity like Goku.

I'll actually be happy if they don't and just let One Piece die when its time comes, but I don't think they will.

Buffy will be about Shanks and Makino’s daughter IMO

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I think it's time Kaido gets in my Legendary tier. He'll be the first character among the current Yonkos to reach that level for me. He's earned it.

I agree 100% I think he’s as strong as a Prime Rayleigh.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Nothing Sanji has done so far suggests he is as strong as Ichiji, i would say Sanji currently is as strong if not a little stronger than Niji but for Ichiji Sanji would need to do a lot, i mean Ichiji was able to hold of Katakuri and OHKO Oven someone comparable to the Flying 6, while Sanji needs to put in a lot of effort to beat Page One

ichiji never held off katakuri , he got lol stomped , low diffed, you might be using the anime interpretation, it wasn't even close at all between them in the manga, ichiji got stomped in one chapter 871

heck sanji did way better against king than ichiji did against katakuri ( and king appears likely stronger than katakuri ), ichiji was saved by the island exploding but kaakuri had beaten him and had him dead to rights in like 3 minutes, they are not comparable

and he momentarily damaged oven , but oven was more than okay to keep fighting, heck sanji blitzed and completely speed destroyed oven, then carried 2 people away , he's above oven too

 

[Fox666]

Nothing Sanji has done so far suggests he is as strong as Ichiji, i would say Sanji currently is as strong if not a little stronger than Niji but for Ichiji Sanji would need to do a lot, i mean Ichiji was able to hold of Katakuri and OHKO Oven someone comparable to the Flying 6, while Sanji needs to put in a lot of effort to beat Page One

Using Page One as a point of reference seems a bit odd

Sanji got the upper hand on Oven with a sneak attack

Ichinji overpowered Oven relatively easily, he also punched Perosperos

I would say Ichinji is still stronger than Sanji

 

[Shasha23]

ichiji never held off katakuri , he got lol stomped , low diffed, you might be using the anime interpretation, it wasn't even close at all between them in the manga, ichiji got stomped in one chapter 871

heck sanji did way better against king than ichiji did against katakuri ( and king appears likely stronger than katakuri ), ichiji was saved by the island exploding but kaakuri had beaten him and had him dead to rights in like 3 minutes, they are not comparable

and he momentarily damaged oven , but oven was more than okay to keep fighting, heck sanji blitzed and completely speed destroyed oven, then carried 2 people away , he's above oven too

If i remember correctly he stepped in front of him way before Katakuri took him down, he did that before Judge confronted Big Mom, that for me is showing that Ichiji did hold of Katakuri even if it was for a minute or 2, none could achive that exept Luffy.

Ichiji made Oven useless until much much much later on, unlike with Sanji who couldnt do the same heck Sanji couldnt even damage Oven with a sneak attack, remember from the point Oven was gearing to fight and then got taken out to the point he was useful again was hours after Ichiji attacked him.

 

[Monox D. I-Fly]

I'm ready for seeing Luffy become a bad parent figure while his daughter Buffy tries to become King of the Pirates herself in the sequel.

Seeing how Dragon and Yasopp are, I can see this one coming.

 

[Shasha23]

Using Page One as a point of reference seems a bit odd

Sanji got the upper hand on Oven with a sneak attack

Ichinji overpowered Oven relatively easily, he also punched Perosperos

I would say Ichinji is still stronger than Sanji

How so? for me Page One and Oven are the same rank and probably the same level as people just below commanders but way above everyone else in a crew.

Thats my point, Ichiji was able to take Oven out of the picture for a few hours with 1 attack while Sanji couldnt do the same with Page One with multiple attacks.

Yeah, for now Ichiji should be stronger than Sanji

 

[Fox666]

If i remember correctly he stepped in front of him way before Katakuri took him down, he did that before Judge confronted Big Mom, that for me is showing that Ichiji did hold of Katakuri even if it was for a minute or 2, none could achive that exept Luffy.

These are consecutive pages. Ichiji was defeated by Katakuri almost instantly.

 

[LadyVados]

Ichiji holding out briefly against Kata is like Brook holding out briefly against BM or Vista holding out briefly against Mihawk or Apoo holding out briefly against Zoro and Drake.

 

[Shasha23]

These are consecutive pages. Ichiji was defeated by Katakuri almost instantly.

Ok thanks, i guess the anime did me in again, i always thought after blocking Katakuri from attacking CC, Ichiji was able to hold him off for a while but alas it doesnt look like the case

 

[M3J]

My girlfriend is a Zoro body pillow.

Do you have sex with it or something?

heck sanji did way better against king than ichiji did against katakuri ( and king appears likely stronger than katakuri ), ichiji was saved by the island exploding but kaakuri had beaten him and had him dead to rights in like 3 minutes, they are not comparable

To be fair, almost anyone would do better against King than against Katakuri, given Katakuri can predict what the person will do and react accordingly. Struggling against Katakuri shouldn't be held against anyone but the Emperors.

 

[albertwv]

How do we rank the Yonko Executives among each other? Oven vs Page 1, etc.
They're between VAs and YCs

I had wished Oda would have focused more on the YCs themselves, like given them an antagonist arc that luffy and all the SHs would face off with. For example, Jack should've been the antagonist of the Zou arc with Luffy fighting him 1v1. That would be a nice progression.