One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[I Am Atomic]

I'm saying he could get OHKO, unless you mean one-hit knockout.

Doesn't OHKO mean one hit knockout? I am confused.

If u think he will get OHKO by a Yonko then ok. That's your opinion. I said my part.

 

[M3J]

Doesn't OHKO mean one hit knockout? I am confused.

If u think he will get OHKO by a Yonko then ok. That's your opinion. I said my part.

I'm not sure as people use it differently.

I did say "unless you mean OHKO." Kaidou would probably have the best chance of doing that IF he managed to land a hit on Katakuri.

 

[Ramen]

Well to be fair, if Kaido lands a Thunder Bagua clean like he did on Luffy, the only person I see not getting OHKO is Big Mom. Mihawk and Shanks are mysteries in terms of durability and BB was getting hurt by Pre-TS Luffy at Impel Down.

However, if you put someone not named Big Mom in a fight against Kaido, no one, not even Mihawk or Shanks, are going to be stupid and go in as
Luffy did.

Point being that Kaido can OHKO 99.97% of the characters in the series. However, it'll someone as dumb as Luffy or a speed blitz from Kaido for that.

 

[albertwv]

People really be hyping up Beckman, which I understand he does seem pretty powerful but we have yet to see his real strength.
I tend to see Katakuri as the weakest YC1 among YC1s. My list would go:
Marco > Beckman > King > Katakuri > Sabo >> Shiryu/Burgess (Shiryu seems to be the popular vote to be BB's YC1 but I think its Burgess who has been longer than Shiryu)

Somehow I dont see Sabo above Katakuri.

What I want to know is where you rank Jack? Jack was crazy brave to attack 4 battleships that had Admiral Fuijitora, Former Fleet Admiral Sengoku, VA Tsuru, VA Bastille, and VA Maynard. Thats a crazy match up. He lost the fight but survived to go get his ass kickd by a mountain of elephant and still survive!
He most likely did it alone since it looked like Sheepshead (who was left at Zou) was his strongest 2nd in command.
Can you think of anyone else who would do that and survive?

 

[Ramen]

People really be hyping up Beckman, which I understand he does seem pretty powerful but we have yet to see his real strength.

True, it is my headcanon that put's him so far high but I think I can make a decent argument for him.

I tend to see Katakuri as the weakest YC1 among YC1s. My list would go:
Marco > Beckman > King > Katakuri > Sabo >> Shiryu/Burgess (Shiryu seems to be the popular vote to be BB's YC1 but I think its Burgess who has been longer than Shiryu)

I'd switch Beckmann and Marco but other than that I'd agree. I think it was confirmed that Shiryuu would be the YC1 during Marineford. When the Red Hair and BB pirates were squaring off and the respective matches were shown, Beckmann was paired with Shiryuu. This was, however, anime-only so take it with a grain of salt.

Also, if the Zoro thing happens, then it'd mean that Shiryuu is the YC1.

Somehow I dont see Sabo above Katakuri.

For now, I agree but I have Sabo as a Top 5 EOS so eventually, he'd be above.

What I want to know is where you rank Jack? Jack was crazy brave to attack 4 battleships that had Admiral Fuijitora, Former Fleet Admiral Sengoku, VA Tsuru, VA Bastille, and VA Maynard. Thats a crazy match up. He lost the fight but survived to go get his ass kickd by a mountain of elephant and still survive!
He most likely did it alone since it looked like Sheepshead (who was left at Zou) was his strongest 2nd in command.

The craziest part is that he's a YC3 doing that. Again, like Katakuri, he's a top25 character.

 

[XXGenesis]

Only if the Yonko can hit him. If Kaido or BM doesn't have advanced CoO, they can't hit him. Simple as that

Snake man wasn’t using CoO. It was speed.
Katakuri CoO doesn’t work if he isn’t calm.
Seeing the 3second future doesn’t always mean he can react...Wedding

Guys like Marco could fight Admirals. Katakuri could as well more than likely. Yonko are strong, but they aren't one shotting everyone they meet, including probably the YC's.

All Commanders can face up against an Admiral. How long they’ll last will vary from seat to seat & matchups.

Ace vs Kuzan....Kuzan would have to Mid-Diff Ace because of Ability stalemate...
Jozu vs Kuzan. Caught Kuzan off guard with a good charge, & seemed to stalemate until he dropped his guard.

Yonkou are 1 Hit K.O Commanders!
Luffy vs Kaido
Amnesia BM vs Queen.

Commanders aren’t on the same Tier as Yonkou. Beckman, Yassop & Marco may be the only exceptions coming close to Yonkou but not quite. If you aren’t on the same tier as someone, there’s a threshold that separates the classes. The Above 1seat Commanders lie at the top of the lower tier list..So they probably won’t be 1 hit K.O, & they can put up a resistance against the upper tier.

Katakuri is not weak! There’s multiple takes on Luffy vs Katakuri.......1) G4 is a hell of a technique, it only surpassed Katakuri in physical strength not Haki...I.E Snakeman still cooling off hands lol. 2) Luffy survived half the fight by dodging haphazardly throwing himself down or out the way, even using his DF to bend in awkward yet still haphazardly...Only someone with similar evasion could do such a thing against 3) Katakuri hurt himself at the end, & was fighting as The Perfect Big Bro 1st Commander of the BMP Ideology to later Simply fight as Katakuri Dogtooth; Luffy already won by growing to his lv & providing a challenege....Like Katakuri said He’s Faster & Stronger, he let Luffy win because he won him over.

 

[M3J]

Well to be fair, if Kaido lands a Thunder Bagua clean like he did on Luffy, the only person I see not getting OHKO is Big Mom. Mihawk and Shanks are mysteries in terms of durability and BB was getting hurt by Pre-TS Luffy at Impel Down.

However, if you put someone not named Big Mom in a fight against Kaido, no one, not even Mihawk or Shanks, are going to be stupid and go in as
Luffy did.

Point being that Kaido can OHKO 99.97% of the characters in the series. However, it'll someone as dumb as Luffy or a speed blitz from Kaido for that.

I don't see Shanks or Blackbeard getting OHKO'd either. Mihawk, probably so.

Katakuri, it might depend on how his haki is, assuming he doesn't bother to use Future Sight.

I tend to see Katakuri as the weakest YC1 among YC1s. My list would go:

How did you come across this conclusion?

 

[Ramen]

I don't see Shanks or Blackbeard getting OHKO'd either. Mihawk, probably so.

Shanks and Mihawk are such a mystery, you can't say unlikely to one and not the other.

This is what happened when pre-TS Luffy punched BB.

Spoiler

Tell me how that is not getting OHKO'd by Kaido

 

[M3J]

Simply because whenever we see him take damage, he doesn't go down. Dude got sliced a bit by Whitebeard and still attacked him. He was also ready to take on Marineford until Shanks arrived. And if it was that easy, then Blackbeard either wouldnt' have become an Emperor or have retained the title for as long as he did.

 

[Ramen]

Simply because whenever we see him take damage, he doesn't go down. Dude got sliced a bit by Whitebeard and still attacked him. He was also ready to take on Marineford until Shanks arrived. And if it was that easy, then Blackbeard either wouldnt' have become an Emperor or have retained the title for as long as he did.

You do know that the process of becoming a Yonko doesn't reflect his strength? He became one by having 2 DF's and causing as much damage as he did. BB is someone who leads an army, it's a bit difficult to hit him.

A clean Thunder Bagua from a fresh Kaido >>> a slash from an old dying sick WB who has bullet wounds and sword slashed everywhere lol.

 

[albertwv]

I don't see Shanks or Blackbeard getting OHKO'd either. Mihawk, probably so.

Katakuri, it might depend on how his haki is, assuming he doesn't bother to use Future Sight.


How did you come across this conclusion?

Biasness for the most part. I see the BM Pirates as the weakest of the Yonko Crews. Also, because Katakuri was the first YC1 for Luffy to fight. Usually, not always, the first villain within a set of group that the main character fights are usually the weakest of said group. NOT always the case but in Shonen thats how it works.
Cracker seems to be the weakest of the Current Sweet 3, since he was taken down first by Luffy.

Sabo vs Doffy? Do you think Sabo couldve taken down Doffy at Dressrosa 1v1

 

[Nie Li]

Biasness for the most part. I see the BM Pirates as the weakest of the Yonko Crews. Also, because Katakuri was the first YC1 for Luffy to fight. Usually, not always, the first villain within a set of group that the main character fights are usually the weakest of said group. NOT always the case but in Shonen thats how it works.
Cracker seems to be the weakest of the Current Sweet 3, since he was taken down first by Luffy.

Yet Kaido will be the first Yonko to go down by his hand and he's, apparently, the strongest in a fight. Even if it's a team effort, this alone breaks the rule.

 

[Ramen]

Yet Kaido will be the first Yonko to go down by his hand and he's, apparently, the strongest in a fight. Even if it's a team effort, this alone breaks the rule.

Personally, I believe that BB will be the 2nd strongest character EOS so it doesn't matter to me and Shanks will play a pivotal role in the final war so there's that too.

 

[Nie Li]

Personally, I believe that BB will be the 2nd strongest character EOS so it doesn't matter to me and Shanks will play a pivotal role in the final war so there's that too.

After Kaido's out of the picture and no longer a Yonko, we will probably never know if the future strongest pirates like BB are actually stronger than he was or not. Unless Luffy somehow brings out some Gear 5 and entirely soloes Kaido, of course, but since we all seem to agree that it will be a team effort, this should't happen.

 

[Ramen]

After Kaido's out of the picture and no longer a Yonko, we will probably never know if the future strongest pirates like BB are actually stronger than he was or not. Unless Luffy somehow brings out some Gear 5 and entirely soloes Kaido, of course, but since we all seem to agree that it will be a team effort, this should't happen.

I look at it from the standpoint of a Shounen and tbh, I do expect BB and Shanks to show some next-level power in the final war/arcs.

 

[M3J]

You do know that the process of becoming a Yonko doesn't reflect his strength? He became one by having 2 DF's and causing as much damage as he did. BB is someone who leads an army, it's a bit difficult to hit him.

A clean Thunder Bagua from a fresh Kaido >>> a slash from an old dying sick WB who has bullet wounds and sword slashed everywhere lol.

It does when the Emperors would not want a new challenger. Didn't something (Ace's novel?) confirm that the Emperors will often go after and take down newcomers in the New World who are too loud? And on top of that, Blackbeard and Whitebeard remnants had a war, and Blackbeard won that.

Yeah, but I still have yet to see proof that Blackbeard would actually go down from that, as an Emperor. If he was still a shichibukai, then I'd agree with you.

Biasness for the most part. I see the BM Pirates as the weakest of the Yonko Crews. Also, because Katakuri was the first YC1 for Luffy to fight. Usually, not always, the first villain within a set of group that the main character fights are usually the weakest of said group. NOT always the case but in Shonen thats how it works.
Cracker seems to be the weakest of the Current Sweet 3, since he was taken down first by Luffy.

Sabo vs Doffy? Do you think Sabo couldve taken down Doffy at Dressrosa 1v1

DIdn't Oda confirm that Big Mom Pirates' strength came from the fighters in the crew, and that's why they were among the strongest?

I think Sabo had the potential if he mastered the fruit more. Unless Doflamingo uses haki on his strings (which he probably does), Sabo can use his logia ability to get through the strings. Otherwise I don't think he's physically stronger than Luffy (I could be wrong), so he wouldn't be able to break out of Bind when it took Gear 4 Luffy to do that, and Law's Room to get Sanji out of that.

 

[XXGenesis]

Shanks and Mihawk are such a mystery, you can't say unlikely to one and not the other.

This is what happened when pre-TS Luffy punched BB.

Spoiler

Tell me how that is not getting OHKO'd by Kaido

Simply because whenever we see him take damage, he doesn't go down. Dude got sliced a bit by Whitebeard and still attacked him. He was also ready to take on Marineford until Shanks arrived. And if it was that easy, then Blackbeard either wouldnt' have become an Emperor or have retained the title for as long as he did.

The whole Shanks being injured by BB & BB being hurt by Luffy use to be a real head scratcher...Until Ace Vol 2

BB under WB denied becoming a commander still yet was viewed as if he was, & pretty much had benefits within the crew as if he was a commander.

It’s also stated that BB would pretty much lie about how much pain or damage he would take, & when he drops the act he gets hella cruel...but he is pretty much just acting like he’s really hurt but he isn’t.

 

[albertwv]

I believe Kaido will be taken down in a collective battle with Luffy hitting the final blow Gear 5 or some Ryou haki. Luffy will undoubtely be stronger after this arc but not exactly be 1v1 Yonko level.

I dont worry about EOS characters that just takes the whole fun of out of PL. OF COURSE we know Luffy will the strongest EOS and with Zolo and Sanji trailing behind but I like to speculate before we get there.
Why rush it? The manga will end in 4-5 years, we'll know by then but right now lets estimate how strong each character is as of the latest chapter.

ALSO, keep in mind that while it seems that BB may be the EOS villain and be the strongest of all Yonko, there can always be a last minute EOS villain who is stronger than BB. Look at Naruto, we all thought Madara/Obito was going to be the EOS villain, and then came Madara and then came Rabbit God lady and then finally Sasuke (who wasnt really a villain). I think BB is the weakest of the current Yonko but somehow he will end up attaining more DFs and then become stronger.

One more thing, people overestimate BB because he gave a scar to Shanks. People also overestimate Mihawk because they were rivals back when Shanks had 2 arms. So to clear this up, the Shanks we first met in chapter 1 is not the same Shanks of today. Oda said that Shanks' strength didnt go down because of his lost arm. A couple years later, he becomes the Yonko, by now Mihawk doesnt want to duel a "one arm man". Shanks got stronger. Back to BB, their fight couldve been anywhere between Roger's execution to chapter 1. Now i am not downplaying BB's strength but this fight couldve happened when Shanks was a rookie. We dont know when it happened.

What I really wanna know is why a pirate like Shanks who was powerful by the time he went to the East Blue decided to go to the East Blue, specifically to Luffy's town AND stay there for a whole year.

 

[LadyVados]

Also on a side note, how strong do you guys think Prime Ray was ? Pirate King level ?

 

[XXGenesis]

Apparently some translations of the 2018 vivre card say "Zoro is the strongest next to his captain"

Also on a side note, how strong do you guys think Prime Ray was ? Pirate King level ?

Admiral lv imo...