One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Ramen]

Because he can tank attacks and has his crew to help him? I mean, Kizaru shot a hole through him when Marco couldn't use his fruit, but after he got the cuffs off, he healed.

That doesn't mean anything. I don't know what you want me to say but we've seen Marco's offensive capabilities.

 

[Nie Li]

If I understood it properly, @M3J's issue with Marco's abilities is that he hasn't been seen defeating fodders, despite the small peeks we had of his offensive capabilities against the admirals, is it?

Let's dissect him a bit.

On defense, I don't have an issue with his capabilities. Even WB was pierced by Kizaru's laser so probably no YC can tank those, although some like Rayleigh probably can deflect them with their swords. It's not a problem for Marco, though, since he heals and all. So on the defensive stats he ranks higher than most YCs.

On attack, he may not hae defeated anyone special, but to have the strength to send Aokiji and Kizaru flying with a kick each is a show of both superhuman strength and speed. We cannot tell exactly how it compares to others, but we know that he has it.

The things that we haven't seen of him are how exactly are his CoA and CoO developed.

We can assume he doesn't have the advanced CoA Luffy just learnt and his CoO is probably average as well. Average as in "not on Katakuri's level", since he has never been praised for it. So in terms of haki only, he's not the strongest YC at all unless he's been holding back something.

Now, let's look at everything put together. Overpowered defensive capabilities through his DF + monstruous superhuman base strength improved by being a zoan-user + using the basic types of haki.

I think it's enough to rate him very high among the YC. The main reason may be thanks to his DF and not thanks to his effort or haki, but that doesn't make him any less monstruous.

 

[M3J]

Taking down fodders? I don't remember especifically if or how he defeated fodders but he went around attacking admirals (without much success, but that's expected from most YC, including Katakuri) and Akainu called him and Vista "annoying opponents" because they are "haki (CoA) users".

I think it's a guarantee that Marco can mow down normal marines if he didn't do so already in any panel (I honestly don't remember, I didn't pay specific attention to that detail).


That wasn't serious. It's a common thing at least in Spanish. Like saying "Even my grandma can do that". In this case to mean that even the weakest character can take down nameless marine fodders.

But also because they could take attacks without an issue.


I know, I was joking.

If I understood it properly, @M3J's issue with Marco's abilities is that he hasn't been seen defeating fodders, despite the small peeks we had of his offensive capabilities against the admirals, is it?

No, my issue with his abilities is that we haven't seen him be offensively capable of taking down most enemies of his tier or little lower. I just mentioned fodders because as you guys implied, it's much fairer to compare performances against them than it is against admirals. For example, if it was just Whitebeard vs. Akainu throughout the war, then despite Akainu not going down I'd say Whitebeard is offensively a beast because his attacks affected Akainu. likewise, Akainu is powerful as well because he was able to really damage Whitebeard.

 

[King Moe]

What exactly going on here?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Santa would no doubt be a big name in the OnePiece world

You can't tear his suit = CoA

He knows if your naughty or nice = CoO
(This hints that he is omnicient)

Spreads waves of cheer = CoC

Teleporting/ Timewarping Devil Fruit

Genius level intellect to make all kinds of toys

He has his own Territory.

His own "Ship" which is a Sleigh, basically what Mihawk has

His own Army of subordinates (Elves)

He cannot be killed so he is the past recipient of the Immortality ritual from the Ope Ope no Mi.

Santa low diffs any top tier in One Piece.

Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk and Merry Christmas

 

[King Moe]

Santa would no doubt be a big name in the OnePiece world

You can't tear his suit = CoA

He knows if your naughty or nice = CoO
(This hints that he is omnicient)

Spreads waves of cheer = CoC

Teleporting/ Timewarping Devil Fruit

Genius level intellect to make all kinds of toys

He has his own Territory.

His own "Ship" which is a Sleigh, basically what Mihawk has

His own Army of subordinates (Elves)

He cannot be killed so he is the past recipient of the Immortality ritual from the Ope Ope no Mi.

Santa low diffs any top tier in One Piece.

Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk and Merry Christmas

Santa D. Claus XD.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

We don't know when the Yonko system was created but it was likely after Roger's execution. They were emperors of sorts but I excluded him just for semantics.

Otherwise, yeah, I agree about the power rankings you've said.

Have you read the Ace novels?
Many years after Rocks.

It's stated that Roger, Whitebeard and Shiki ruled the seas. The emperors are the rulers of the seas as we're consistently told.
So there were 3 b4 Big Mom became powerful enough to make it 4.

Roger died and Kaido at some point became 1 too. Shiki got captured and left a void. So there were 3 again. Shanks later became one too and then there were 4 Yonko.

Whitebeard died and there were 3 again. Blackbeard filled the void and we have the current 4 Yonko now.

 

[Nie Li]

Have you read the Ace novels?
Many years after Rocks.

It's stated that Roger, Whitebeard and Shiki ruled the seas. The emperors are the rulers of the seas as we're consistently told.
So there were 3 b4 Big Mom became powerful enough to make it 4.

Roger died and Kaido at some point became 1 too. Shiki got captured and left a void. So there were 3 again. Shanks later became one too and then there were 4 Yonko.

Whitebeard died and there were 3 again. Blackbeard filled the void and we have the current 4 Yonko now.

I have not had the chance. Only online summaries of it.

I guess then that yeah, the "Yon" changed but Roger was still an emperor before being a king. If I had to add Rayleigh to the YC list I made the other day, I would put him above Oden.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

I have not had the chance. Only online summaries of it.

I guess then that yeah, the "Yon" changed but Roger was still an emperor before being a king. If I had to add Rayleigh to the YC list I made the other day, I would put him above Oden.

i dunno oden was wb's strongest commander imo , then he got stronger as he journeyed with roger, strength wise he was up there like crazy, he still bested kaido , even back then was stupendously strong, just had to build up his crew , i'd say it was a tie between them with oden probably having the edge imo

 

[Ramen]

Time for Zoro to prove his dominance.............once again.

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Once Zoro does major damage to a Yonko, he will have solidified his place as the 4th strongest Supernova. Dude is being put up against Yonkos lol.

 

[Nie Li]

i dunno oden was wb's strongest commander imo , then he got stronger as he journeyed with roger, strength wise he was up there like crazy, he still bested kaido , even back then was stupendously strong, just had to build up his crew , i'd say it was a tie between them with oden probably having the edge imo

Let's wait and see.

We still have seen none of Prime Rayleigh's feats but his hype is, in my opinion, greater. I'm sure we will learn more of him in a later arc.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

i dunno oden was wb's strongest commander imo , then he got stronger as he journeyed with roger, strength wise he was up there like crazy, he still bested kaido , even back then was stupendously strong, just had to build up his crew , i'd say it was a tie between them with oden probably having the edge imo

He matched a much younger and weaker Kaido who wasn't at the level of Yonko then. Moreover Kaido is implied and confirmed to have gotten many times stronger since then.
Rayleigh in his old age can wound an Admiral in a casual clash. Imagine what Rayleigh in his prime could do? He'd defeat an Admiral in a high-octane battle.
Garp and probably Sengoku would be the only Marine officers I can see defeating Rayleigh (in his prime).
Back on Roger's ship, Rayleigh and Oden were portrayed as near equals. Rayleigh may have a slight edge over Oden. That I believe.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

He matched a much younger and weaker Kaido who wasn't at the level of Yonko then. Moreover Kaido is implied and confirmed to have gotten many times stronger since then.
Rayleigh in his old age can wound an Admiral in a casual clash. Imagine what Rayleigh in his prime could do? He'd defeat an Admiral in a high-octane battle.
Garp and probably Sengoku would be the only Marine officers I can see defeating Rayleigh (in his prime).
Back on Roger's ship, Rayleigh and Oden were portrayed as near equals. Rayleigh may have a slight edge over Oden. That I believe.

again this a misconception many times, the only time kaido has been implied to many times stronger was 40 years ago when he was a rocks apprentice, not 20 years when he was a great and powerful pirate already, people conflate the rocks chapter and the flashback
again he scratched kizaru who was trying to get another target and wasn't focused on rayleigh, and it was just a scratch on a cheek

how this

is more impressive than this

lmao come on

kaido been acting for decades an he still spooked/highly respects oden like crazy, and he's fought a ton of strong guys, oden is a top tier dude

 

[Itsmepatrick]

Time for Zoro to prove his dominance.............once again.

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Once Zoro does major damage to a Yonko, he will have solidified his place as the 4th strongest Supernova. Dude is being put up against Yonkos lol.

Time for Zoro's Ashura and also Zoro's Secret Techniques like Ichidai-Sanzen Daisen Sekai to appear in this fight.

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

We don't know what would have happen if he lived but when still alive Oden was not stronger or near Rayleigh.
And old and retired Rayleigh who didn't fight nor train for 20 years was classified as dangerous as Yonko Whitebeard.

Sure Oden was a really strong pirate and could without a doubt be as strong or stronger than the new Yonko generation but for the old generation of Whitebeard and Roger he'd never match them while Rayleigh was a Yonko level serving a Yonko++ crew that's why he was the "Dark King".

 

[King Moe]

Time for Zoro to prove his dominance.............once again.

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Once Zoro does major damage to a Yonko, he will have solidified his place as the 4th strongest Supernova. Dude is being put up against Yonkos lol.

Nah, it be same as fighting Apoo while he is held down. He might raised a bit, but not overall though especially we know he won't be beating Yonkos and getting smash.

 

[Ramen]

Nah, it be same as fighting Apoo while he is held down. He might raised a bit, but not overall though especially we know he won't br beating Yonkos and getting smash.

Nope. Zoro dominance will rise

Praise Oda

 

[King Moe]

Nope. Zoro dominance will rise

Praise Oda

Into smacked by either Yonkos .

 

[King Moe]

Smoker? Lmao.......he has to beat Doffy before being PK tier.

Anyways....I agree with Grandmaster

Smoker will come back stronger, but Zoro is under Apoo's level. Try fixing that first instead 2 vs 1.

If your following GM's words, then you believe Zoro > Luffy then, don't want headcannons like that here.

 

[King Moe]

I genuinely don't understand your words here.



I don't agree with that but I agree with him here.

Zoro can't beat Apoo. Not rocket science

Nah, you did since him and few others believe in that. So again not going to yours and his swords seriously anymore XD.