One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Crimson Ice]

I mean, Ashura Douji was able to speed blitz JACK, a Calamity.

Neko and Inu were able to go even with Jack, and defeat him with seemngli no serious injuries in Sulong.

Raizou was able to deflect Kaidou´s fire atttack.

Sanji needed the Raid Suit to speed blitz a Tobi Roppo, and needed to be saved by Shinobu from Kaidou´s drunk fire attack.


I 100% believe that some base Akazaya are stronger than base sanji. Raid suit needs more feats for proper evaluation.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 28, 2020 ---

Reflecting one attack from Kaido, in that case, doesn't make you stronger than Sanji, or are we going to argue that all the scabbards are stronger than pre ryou training Luffy.


The only scabbards who are a realistic chance of being stronger than Sanji were the older ones who were active in the 20 years.

Sanji didn't need the raid suit, he used it as a disguise. Most of the scabbards aren't that impressive outside of knowing the same type of ryou as Oden, though Kaido made it painfully clear that as a collective that they're on Oden's level.

 

[albertwv]

Apoo is quite hard to figure out in power scaling, but I seriously doubt he is on Zolo's level.

What really irks me is that people base their power scales on EOS characters or try so hard to replicate Roger's friends/rivals onto Luffy. Who's gonna be the next Garp or Shiki or WB or Rayleigh. Like forget about that right now, we will worry about that when the time comes. Now it's not the time. For example, Coby might be the next Garp therefore he must be strong by EOS, or Kid/Law will be the next WB/Shiki therefore they must be equal to Luffy even though there has been no indication of strength that Kid or Law are anywhere near Luffy's current level and I dont think they will personally catch up anytime soon.
Kid has not fought anyone near Luffy's level. Law hasnt shown any progress since he lost to Doffy. So I still place Law below Doffy.
Until the latest chapter I had place Marco above Luffy but now it has changed.

 

[M3J]

he may not be able to beat Zoro, but Apoo can likely give him competition. Apoo seems to be underestimated just to make Zoro look stronger/better.

 

[LadyVados]

Both Kidd and Zoro attacked Apoo. He got back up after both attacks.

He never even went down after Kidd’s attack, he was still standing and conscious after being hit by it. He was unconscious for a good 5 minutes after being hit by Zoro’s attack.

 

[Nie Li]

He never even went down after Kidd’s attack, he was still standing and conscious after being hit by it. He was unconscious for a good 5 minutes after being hit by Zoro’s attack.

Apoo was shaking and on his last leg after getting cut by Zoro, but he did get up almost immediately. It's possible that he wasn't knocked out and that he was just regaining some strength before getting up.

 

[Monox D. I-Fly]

Trickster type fighters are very hard to evaluate when talking about powerscaling.

This is why I don't like to powerscale One Piece characters except explicitly stated (in case of Shirohige, Mihawk, & Kaido). Too many tricky powers which can only belong to 1 person, but this is what makes the fight unique and interesting, not just throwing some energy blast around

 

[LadyVados]

This is why I don't like to powerscale One Piece characters except explicitly stated (in case of Shirohige, Mihawk, & Kaido). Too many tricky powers which can only belong to 1 person, but this is what makes the fight unique and interesting, not just throwing some energy blast around

mIHaWK iSN’t aCTuAlLy tHE StrONgESt sWOrdSMaN. Big Mom, Shanks, Fuji, Cracker, King and Vista are all stronger apparently.

(but never Smoothie for some reason, I’ve never seen Mihawk haters put Smoothie above Mihawk, they may put Cracker above Mihawk but never Smoothie... I’ll leave you to wonder why that is...)

 

[M3J]

who put Cracker above Mihawk?

 

[LadyVados]

who put Cracker above Mihawk?

Lots of people do.

 

[M3J]

I've literally never seen anyone do that here. But then again, I skip most posts now because it's the same old bullshit rehashed over and over when it comes to Zoro, Sanji, or Mihawk vs. Shanks.

 

[Shasha23]

Apoo was shaking and on his last leg after getting cut by Zoro, but he did get up almost immediately. It's possible that he wasn't knocked out and that he was just regaining some strength before getting up.

For me like I pointed out before, Marco healing flame was spread indiscriminately and only then after everyone was saved from the ice oni did Apoo wake up, if not for Marco healing him he would never have gotten up from Zoro's attack

 

[Nie Li]

For me like I pointed out before, Marco healing flame was spread indiscriminately and only then after everyone was saved from the ice oni did Apoo wake up, if not for Marco healing him he would never have gotten up from Zoro's attack

That's also possible. It's true that he only got up after Marco's stunt.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

its more like this though :

Luffy
Kid
Marco
Zoro
Law
X Drake
Jinbe
Killer
Yamato
Kinemon
Denjiro
Ashura
Kawamatsu
Inuarashi
Nekomamushi
Sanji
Izo
Raizo
Kiku
Franky

This are the top 20 currently, with the characters highlighted being out of commission or wont be fighting anytime soon.

i think yamato is stronger than killer
and lmao kinenemon isn wayyy below neku , inu , ashura and kawamatsu , come on kinenmon isn't that strong at all , those 4 were stronger a 20 years ago and go thrown into the future
sanji is deffs somewhere between the stronger scabbard and yamato imo

 

[XXGenesis]

None of the SuperNova are slouches..As seen in the NW when ranked inside a Yonkou’s crew they are at best rivals to commanders or easily executive lv.....

Apoo as a Captain & Kidd’s rival is strong. His DF ability as shown is capable & its weakness works both ways . His Physical combat prowess I feel like is being overplayed. He held off against Zoro & XDrake attacking him at times, but it’s a war. They are shown attacking him together like twice, & alternate their attacks on him while dealing with the fodder around them. It wasn’t a full on assault 2 v 1.

Apoo’s Health Bar was Red flickering...& XDrake casaully but aggressively finished him.

I would put Zoro & XDrake above Apoo.

 

[Prince13333]

its more like this though :

Luffy
Kid
Marco
Zoro
Law
X Drake
Jinbe
Killer
Yamato
Kinemon
Denjiro
Ashura
Kawamatsu
Inuarashi
Nekomamushi
Sanji
Izo
Raizo
Kiku
Franky

This are the top 20 currently, with the characters highlighted being out of commission or wont be fighting anytime soon.

No Based on what's happening with the characters right now and where the story seems to be going.

1. Luffy
2. Kidd
3. Law
4.Zoro
5. Killer( give him the benefit of a doubt since he has his weapons) and his up there right now with Kidd
6. X Drake (He'll likely help Sanji)
7. Sanji (Since his End game will likely be with Queen or Jack) Who are both above the likes of Tobi Roppo.
8. Jimbei ( if his endgame this arc is Who's Who)
(What the Scabbards did was in impressive however they ultimately did not do much damage against Kaido) And the ones above are simply just more relevant characters overall.
9.Yamato
10. Ashura
11. Denjiro
12.Inu
13.Neku
14. Izo
15. Kinemon (while he's portrayed as the leader, he didn't do anything to different from the ones above against Kaido and they have better feats and portrayal than Kinemon.
16.Raizo
17. Kiku
18. Franky

 

[Shasha23]

No Based on what's happening with the characters right now and where the story seems to be going.

1. Luffy
2. Kidd
3. Law
4.Zoro
5. Killer( give him the benefit of a doubt since he has his weapons) and his up there right now with Kidd
6. X Drake (He'll likely help Sanji)
7. Sanji (Since his End game will likely be with Queen or Jack) Who are both above the likes of Tobi Roppo.
8. Jimbei ( if his endgame this arc is Who's Who)
(What the Scabbards did was in impressive however they ultimately did not do much damage against Kaido) And the ones above are simply just more relevant characters overall.
9.Yamato
10. Ashura
11. Denjiro
12.Inu
13.Neku
14. Izo
15. Kinemon (while he's portrayed as the leader, he didn't do anything to different from the ones above against Kaido and they have better feats and portrayal than Kinemon.
16.Raizo
17. Kiku
18. Franky

Yeah no, Law has been shown to be weaker than Zoro and Marco, no way anyone would put him above those 2.
There is no way Sanji is stronger than people like Neko, Inu, Ashura, Denjiro and Kinemon(if you didnt see Kinemon took a thunder bagua to the head and kept fighting, Kaido had to hit him twice not to forget he was the last man standing, you guys are sleeping too much on Kinemon)

 

[XXGenesis]

Solely on current feats and my interpretation of them....Not hyping any SN, besides Luffy that has actually hit Kaido & hurt him.

HIGHS——-Distinctively Stronger;
Luffy
Marco
Neko
Inu

MIDS———The range here is wide and still small in between Characters. It’s either ability, Skill, or DF powers that separates them. All in all Mid/High diff win between any character here vs one another.

Kidd
Zoro
Law
Yamamoto
Denjiro
Ashura
Izo
Jimbei
XDrake
Apoo

LOWS———No if &’s or but’s about then losing Low-Diff to Those stationed High. Vs MID Lv, a low/mid diff fight can be put up. But ultimately from what we’ve seen them capable of they won’t win vs MID.

Sanji
Kawamatsu
Killer
Kinemon
Kiku
Raizo

 

[LadyVados]

The one piece powerscaling community is truly a bunch of amazing people. The other day I met someone who was arguing Mihawk was weak because he was stalemated by the guy who used to wash Roger’s floors

 

[Pirate Queen]

The one piece powerscaling community is truly a bunch of amazing people. The other day I met someone who was arguing Mihawk was weak because he was stalemated by the guy who used to wash Roger’s floors

Fax hurt homie

 

[Prince13333]

Yeah no, Law has been shown to be weaker than Zoro and Marco, no way anyone would put him above those 2.
There is no way Sanji is stronger than people like Neko, Inu, Ashura, Denjiro and Kinemon(if you didnt see Kinemon took a thunder bagua to the head and kept fighting, Kaido had to hit him twice not to forget he was the last man standing, you guys are sleeping too much on Kinemon)

Law has been shown weaker than Zoro? Lmao..thats definitely false, but I don't think I have to debate about Law and Zoro anymore were gonna see the difference pretty soon. Marco is above both of them (I actually forgot to put Marco in) here let me do that. As for the Scabbards bro....... their right where they should be, Where is the panel of Kaido using Thunder Bagua on the scabbards? Kaido was just swinging that club casually and Kinemon didn't keep fighting after that lmao. If Sanjis endgame is Queen that would put him above a majority if not all the scabbards.Ashura Douji, Inu and Neko have the best feats out of the scabbards and they were all against a 3rd yonko commander. Kinemon had portrayal below Sanjis prior to the arc. Now people think he's crazy strong because he got to display some of his abilities. When Sanji, Jimbei and the 5 Supernova's display their abilities in a fight, The Scabbards are gonna look irrelevant in comparison honestly.

1. Luffy/Marco
2. Kidd
3. Law
4. Zoro
5. Killer
6. X Drake
7. Sanji
8. Jimbei
9.Yamato
10.Ashura
11. Denjiro
12. Inu
13. Neku
14.Izo
15. Kinemon
16. Raizo
17. Kiku
18. Franky