One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Crimson Ice]

Yeah no, Law has been shown to be weaker than Zoro and Marco, no way anyone would put him above those 2.
There is no way Sanji is stronger than people like Neko, Inu, Ashura, Denjiro and Kinemon(if you didnt see Kinemon took a thunder bagua to the head and kept fighting, Kaido had to hit him twice not to forget he was the last man standing, you guys are sleeping too much on Kinemon)

When has Law been shown to be weaker than Zoro? And Kinemon is in no way stronger than Sanji, you said he took a thunder bagua to the head so does that mean he's stronger than pre ryou training Luffy too? Kinemon was beaten by Law in Punk Hazard rather handily and was shrugged off by Doffy. Kinemon is strong but he isn't a monster.

 

[Brandish μ]

Luffy
Marco
Kidd
Law
Zoro
Sanji
Jinbei
Yamato
Killer
X Drake

That would be my top 10 alliance atm.

 

[XXGenesis]

@Brandish μ
I’m confused as to how Killer makes it top 10?

I don’t think he’s weak, I believe Zoro is that much stronger than him, especially as a swordsman.

So what did I miss that makes him more capable than Neko & Inu?..Or either Denjiro who clashed pretty evenly with Zoro.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

kinemon getting stupidly overhyped, he's much weaker than inu, neku, kawatmasu denjiro and ashura
the strongest scabbards are likely sullong neku and inu then denjiro

 

[Brandish μ]

@Brandish μ
I’m confused as to how Killer makes it top 10?

I don’t think he’s weak, I believe Zoro is that much stronger than him, especially as a swordsman.

So what did I miss that makes him more capable than Neko & Inu?..Or either Denjiro who clashed pretty evenly with Zoro.

What you're saying makes sense. For now, I'm putting him up there because he's in the Yonkou fight.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 30, 2020, Original Post Date: Dec 30, 2020 ---

I think there's a possibility Zoro is stronger than Kidd and Law, and I actually listed it that way but decided against it in the end. The portrayal still favours Kidd and Law to me so Zoro remains at SN4.

 

[albertwv]

Why are you all putting Kid and Law above Jimbei?? When they have not, especially Kid, shown feats that overpower Jimbei. Provide facts that Kid and Law have fought/defeated anyone stronger than Jimbei. Stop saying because they are "portrayed" as Luffy's rivals that they are equal. Stop doing End of Arc power levels, we are discussing current power levels, not where they will be at the end of the arc or series. I can say oh well Luffy will be the strongest at EOS so we dont have to worry about him. End of discussion.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I mean, Jinbe sits comfortably over anyone not named Marco or Luffy in Wano based on feats.

 

[LadyVados]

I mean, Jinbe sits comfortably over anyone not named Marco or Luffy in Wano based on feats.

I’ve heard a lot of people argue Jinbe’s feats against BM were PIS like Brook and Chopper’s feats.

Though I personally disagree. It is a common view in the OP fandom.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I’ve heard a lot of people argue Jinbe’s feats against BM were PIS like Brook and Chopper’s feats.

Though I personally disagree. It is a common view in the OP fandom.

If they think this

Is PIS they don't know what Plot Induced Stupidity actually is.

 

[Prxnce]

My Dressrosa to WCI to Zou to Wano power spectrum:

Key:
Red = Big Mom + Beasts Pirates + Kurozomi Family Alliance
Blue = Strawhats + Hearts + Kid Pirates + Samurai + Mink Alliance
Green = Outliers
Black = Deceased

1. Xebec / Joyboy / Buggy / Mihawk / Kong / Imu (END-GAME BOSSES)
2. Roger / Newgate / Oden / Garp / Sengoku
3. Kaido / Linlin / Shanks / Teach / Sakazuki / Borsalino / Dragon / Shiki
4. Sabo / Zoro / Luffy / Issho / Kuzan / Green Bull / Beckman
5. Marco / Katakuri / Doflamingo / Kid / Law / Hancock / Lucky Roo / Lafitte
6. King / Smoothie / Jinbe / Yamato / Weevil / Ivankov / Tsuru / Gorosei / Rockstar / Shiryu
7. Queen / Ashura / Cracker / Urouge / Crocodile / Yassop / Don Sai / Kuma / Van Auger / Burgess
8. Jack / Inurashi / Nekomamushi / Snack / Killer / Bonney / Orlumbus / Denjiro / Cavendish / Devon
9. Drake / Apoo / Izo / Sanji / Vergo / Pica / Daz Bones / Bege / Bartolomeo / Hotei / Fukurokuju / Pizzaro
10. Kawamatsu / Kin'emon / Perospero / Kikunojo / Ideo / Numbers 1 - 5 / Jean Bart / Wolfe
11. Who's Who / Sasaki / Franky / Page 1 / Bellamy / Daifuku / Ulti / Black Maria / Amande / Tamago / Hajrudin
12. Apoo / Kanjuro / Hawkins / Pekoms / Praline / Pedro / Ceasar Clown / Numbers 6 - 10 / Heat / Bobbins
13. Trebol / Diamante / Oven / Brook / Saschi / Wire / Caribou / Shoto / Buffalo
14. Raizo / Bao Huang / Monnet / Penguin / Compote / Robin / Leo / Baby 5
15. Bepo / Chopper / Orochi / Vivi / Stronger
16. Ussop / Nami / Hiyori / Shirahoshi / Doc Q
17. Momonosuske

Maybe I'll finish this via edits or start new thread. Which team are you picking?

Tip: Blue team has protagonist insurance, policy stipulates you're guaranteed to reach end-game.

 

[XXGenesis]

I’ve heard a lot of people argue Jinbe’s feats against BM were PIS like Brook and Chopper’s feats.

Though I personally disagree. It is a common view in the OP fandom.

Well He has 2 feats against BM now. Both however are under conditions. Still yet he managed them. Jimbei is no doubt Commander lv

Brook’s feat wasn’t PIS imo. Brook is rlly that light & fast, & can blitz top tiers unexpectedly at least once possibly.

Chopper’s feat was a stretch with no past durability feat with the ability anywhere close to enduring a Yonkou’s strike. But I like chopper so meh lol

 

[Fallou]

My Dressrosa to WCI to Zou to Wano power spectrum:

Key:
Red = Big Mom + Beasts Pirates + Kurozomi Family Alliance
Blue = Strawhats + Hearts + Kid Pirates + Samurai + Mink Alliance
Green = Outliers
Black = Deceased

1. Xebec / Joyboy / Buggy / Mihawk / Kong / Imu (END-GAME BOSSES)
2. Roger / Newgate / Oden / Garp / Sengoku
3. Kaido / Linlin / Shanks / Teach / Sakazuki / Borsalino / Dragon / Shiki
4. Sabo / Zoro / Luffy / Issho / Kuzan / Green Bull / Beckman
5. Marco / Katakuri / Doflamingo / Kid / Law / Hancock / Lucky Roo / Lafitte
6. King / Smoothie / Jinbe / Yamato / Weevil / Ivankov / Tsuru / Gorosei / Rockstar / Shiryu
7. Queen / Ashura / Cracker / Urouge / Crocodile / Yassop / Don Sai / Kuma / Van Auger / Burgess
8. Jack / Inurashi / Nekomamushi / Snack / Killer / Bonney / Orlumbus / Denjiro / Cavendish / Devon
9. Drake / Apoo / Izo / Sanji / Vergo / Pica / Daz Bones / Bege / Bartolomeo / Hotei / Fukurokuju / Pizzaro
10. Kawamatsu / Kin'emon / Perospero / Kikunojo / Ideo / Numbers 1 - 5 / Jean Bart / Wolfe
11. Who's Who / Sasaki / Franky / Page 1 / Bellamy / Daifuku / Ulti / Black Maria / Amande / Tamago / Hajrudin
12. Apoo / Kanjuro / Hawkins / Pekoms / Praline / Pedro / Ceasar Clown / Numbers 6 - 10 / Heat / Bobbins
13. Trebol / Diamante / Oven / Brook / Saschi / Wire / Caribou / Shoto / Buffalo
14. Raizo / Bao Huang / Monnet / Penguin / Compote / Robin / Leo / Baby 5
15. Bepo / Chopper / Orochi / Vivi / Stronger
16. Ussop / Nami / Hiyori / Shirahoshi / Doc Q
17. Momonosuske

Maybe I'll finish this via edits or start new thread. Which team are you picking?

Tip: Blue team has protagonist insurance, policy stipulates you're guaranteed to reach end-game.

I'm confused: is this a scale?
If this is, it makes no sense to put Zoro above Marco or Katakuri: so far, nothing has indicated he was stronger. In fact, if you go by logic, he should be just a rank above Pica.
Also, being Kaido's right hand man, King should be higher?
Loved the Buggy joke tho.

 

[Brandish μ]

Why are you all putting Kid and Law above Jimbei?? When they have not, especially Kid, shown feats that overpower Jimbei. Provide facts that Kid and Law have fought/defeated anyone stronger than Jimbei. Stop saying because they are "portrayed" as Luffy's rivals that they are equal.

Generally, portrayal is a strong indicator for power levels in One Piece. If someone is portrayed similar to Luffy, like Kidd, then odds are Kidd is similarly powerful. I don't think anyone believes Kidd is stronger, or could beat Luffy, but if we didn't acknowledge Kidd could give Luffy a tough fight then, imo, we're at odds with what Oda is trying to convey.

I admit, it's not as strong evidence as feats, but in the absence of, portrayal can be used. Greenbull, feat-less, has the title of admiral and that alone is enough for me to say he's stronger than Jinbei, who appears to be a commander-level guy. Not saying Kidd is in the same bracket as Greenbull, just my opinion that the guy who will rival Luffy the most has to be better than Luffy's helmsman.

Is PIS they are mentally slow and don't know what Plot Induced Stupidity actually is.

There is no PiS there with BM, she went at Jinbei and he used his skills+haki to stop it.

 

[M3J]

I’ve heard a lot of people argue Jinbe’s feats against BM were PIS like Brook and Chopper’s feats.

Though I personally disagree. It is a common view in the OP fandom.

Do people really say/think that or is that made up? Either way it makes no sense, and as the two others said, Jinbei simply defended Big Mom well. he's a powerhouse too, not just any other weakling.

 

[slavkovski]

If they think this

Is PIS they don't know what Plot Induced Stupidity actually is.

Wow.. Big Mom even use this attack against kaido (in the anime at least)
Jinbei clearly is one of the strongest in the alliance, he should be in the top fighting kaido n big mom with luffy & co..

 

[Prxnce]

I'm confused: is this a scale?
If this is, it makes no sense to put Zoro above Marco or Katakuri: so far, nothing has indicated he was stronger. In fact, if you go by logic, he should be just a rank above Pica.
Also, being Kaido's right hand man, King should be higher?
Loved the Buggy joke tho.

You contradicted your Zoro comment with the King logic. Parse logic is assuming a character's strength due to their placement in their organization - there is no correlation when compared to individuals outside of their organization.

The Difference between Kaido and King could be far greater than Marco and Whitebeard whilst Marco is still stronger. King has done nothing that can compare with Zoro, he hasn't split whole mountains or cut entire coast lines off the cliff or broken through another character's ultimate defense (Sanji surviving a full frontal attack from him). King just about measures up to Cracker right now and only in competence, all we know is he is stronger than Sanji who really believed he was going to die.

Marco trusts Zoro on the main stage against both Kaido and Linlin. Zoro already bloomed the type of advanced Kenbunshoku as well as Ryuo needed to face Katakuri in Alabasta and honed his haki during the time skip. We know this is cannon because he said he foresaw where all rocks wouldn't fall and stood there - basic Kenbunshoku only grants users to feel presence, strength or intent not precognition.

 

[NeC01]

My list would look like this. But from many we really dont know the strenght...

1. Luffy
2. Marco
(they can beat 1st commander... but i dont see them beat them kaido or big mom)
........................

3?. Zoro (only because of Enma)
4?. Kidd (we dont reallly know alot)
5. Jimbei
(i dont think they could beat a lev1 commander but possible lev 2)

6. Ashura
7. Denjiro
8. Yamato
(they can beat a lev 3 commander)
.......
9. Inu (normal form)
10. Neku (normal form)
11. Izo
12. X Drake
13. Law
14. Sanji
15. Killer
16. Kinemon
17. Raizo
18. Kiku
19. Franky


What do you think?

 

[XXGenesis]

Do people really say/think that or is that made up? Either way it makes no sense, and as the two others said, Jinbei simply defended Big Mom well. he's a powerhouse too, not just any other weakling.

The argument isn’t baseless. Look what Kaido did to Luffy after WCI....*Kaido was also drunk

Also BM in a west state Punched & Slammed Queen into a a brief K.O.

While the Straw Hats Helsman has traded blows with BM. The flip was just impressive combo attack to BFR BM for a few chapters.

Jimbei imo equal or stronger than Commander seat 2 Ace.

 

[LadyVados]

Was Ace weaker or stronger than Jozu and Vista ?

 

[Nie Li]

Was Ace weaker or stronger than Jozu and Vista ?

In my opinion, he was weaker.

The deal with Ace is that he had the greatest potential, probably second only to his little brother, but he was still quite not there yet.

Jozu is likely the tankiest YC, including Queen, who as far as we have seen relies more on technology than on his fruit and haki like Jozu does. He had a bad match-up against Aokiji that costed him an arm but Aokiji basically just bypassed his durability by freezing him.
And, to me, Vista clashing swords with Mihawk is more impressive than anything Ace pulled off in Marineford. Not to mention he attacked Akainu head-on and, despite not being able to reach him with his swords, neither did Akainu obliterate him right there and then. Vista ended the war with no injuries despite engaging fights against these top tier fighters.