One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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  1. Shanks v Mihawk
  2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
  3. Zoro > Luffy
  4. Zoro v Sanji
  5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
  6. Mihawk's rank within the story
  7. Law having CoC currently.
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My take on Mihawk... hopefully this doesnt get taken down.
People believe he is equal to or stronger than the Yonko likes of Shanks and BM. For a few reasons, he was stated to duel younger Pre-Yonko Shanks when the latter had 2 arms but after he lost an arm, Mihawk lost interest in their duels. People think becuase of that Mihawk > Shanks. Oda, stated that even though Shanks lost an arm, he never lost strength, so Mihawk > 1 arm Shanks is NOT true. If anything Shanks > Mihawk, because Shanks became Yonko soon after.
So what you are saying is that after Shanks lost his arm he became stronger while Mihawk regressed in strength, OK buddy your logic is amazing!

Another reason is hype. Mihawk has not been shown to be on the same level as the Yonko whenever he makes an appearance. Sengoku during the MF War still thought there was a chance that they would lose vs WB, even though the Navy HQ had 3 Admirals and Mihawk present. Mihawk was stalled by Jozu, Vista, Crocodile, and Mr. 1. Hard to believe that BM or Kaido in normal conditions (not drunk or hungry), would be bother by any of them.
Mihawk has said his power is the ultimate power and no other is his equal, so that statement by Oda to you was that nahh Oda is lying???
Whitebeard was injured by no name marines and he was stronger than Shanks, Linlin and Kaido

Mihawk is extremely powerful but not Yonko powerful. Just because he is portrayed as Zolo's last opponent does not mean he is above other characters who have shown better feats than Mihawk.
True Mihawk is extremely powerful but is not a yonko because he is above yonko level, just because he is Zoro's last opponent does not mean other character who have no feats are above him!
 

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So what you are saying is that after Shanks lost his arm he became stronger while Mihawk regressed in strength, OK buddy your logic is amazing!



Mihawk has said his power is the ultimate power and no other is his equal, so that statement by Oda to you was that nahh Oda is lying???
Whitebeard was injured by no name marines and he was stronger than Shanks, Linlin and Kaido



True Mihawk is extremely powerful but is not a yonko because he is above yonko level, just because he is Zoro's last opponent does not mean other character who have no feats are above him!
I didnt say Mihawk became weaker, he couldve also become stronger, but I am proving that Shanks never lost strength due to his 1 arm which is why people think that Mihawk is stronger than him.
Nobody else is his equal? That's an overestimation. Only swordsmen.
He is not above Yonko level. I said he is "portrayed" as Zolo's last opponent, but there is a chance someone else besides Zolo beats Mihawk and becomes the new WSM. You tried using my own words against me but it failed. There are other characters who have better feats than him, unless you have prove otherwise.
 

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Mihawk being stronger than Shanks is very possible. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense Mihawk is stronger.

But, because Shanks also has that GOAT aura, and is a yonkou, I have Shanks and Mihawk on the same level. The portrayal Shanks has is far too strong to deny, which I do admit is a testament to his crews' strength as well.
 

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My take on Mihawk... hopefully this doesnt get taken down.
People believe he is equal to or stronger than the Yonko likes of Shanks and BM. For a few reasons, he was stated to duel younger Pre-Yonko Shanks when the latter had 2 arms but after he lost an arm, Mihawk lost interest in their duels. People think becuase of that Mihawk > Shanks. Oda, stated that even though Shanks lost an arm, he never lost strength, so Mihawk > 1 arm Shanks is NOT true. If anything Shanks > Mihawk, because Shanks became Yonko soon after.
1- Shanks became a Yonko through diplomacy, not through suddenly cultivating to Heavenly Realm and jumping up three tiers. However strong he has become after fighting Mihawk, there's no reason to believe Mihawk hasn't also become stronger.

2- Mihawk became WSS and Shanks didn't. WSS is a title directly related to strength, while Yonko isn't necessarily so, especially not the way Shanks became one.

3- We don't know the real reason Mihawk stopped dueling Shanks. The "I have no interest dueling a one-armed man" is not to be taken at head value as it was just what Mihawk told him to reject a duel because he had something else to talk to him about (Luffy's bounty).

4- We know that despite stopping dueling, according to Mihawk's vibre card, he's now "actively looking for someone stronger than Shanks to fight". You can argue anything you want about Mihawk's portrayal in the manga, but a man that's weaker than Shanks and, according to you, "scared" of dueling him, wouldn't be looking for stronger opponents now.

Another reason is hype. Mihawk has not been shown to be on the same level as the Yonko whenever he makes an appearance. Sengoku during the MF War still thought there was a chance that they would lose vs WB, even though the Navy HQ had 3 Admirals and Mihawk present. Mihawk was stalled by Jozu, Vista, Crocodile, and Mr. 1. Hard to believe that BM or Kaido in normal conditions (not drunk or hungry), would be bother by any of them.
People try to take too many feats from the Marineford battle. The purpose of MF was to hype everyone up. It was a d*ck measuring contest and that's why it was awesome.

The admirals were constantly portrayed as fighting on pretty equal standing with Whitebeard, while Kizaru for a while was also occupied with Marco until Marco was caught with kairouseki, and same for Aokiji and Jozu.

Crocodile had been defeated by haki-less and gear-less Luffy and had been rotting in prison ever since, logically growing somewhat weaker from lack of training and emprisonment. Yet he was portrayed as stopping Doflamingo, a guy who we know now had to be taken down by Law's most devastating internal attack and Gear 4 Luffy and Luffy still needed help from others so as to not die when his first G4 use ran out.

Mihawk did some casual slashes that have still not been replicated neither in size nor in perfect control by no other swordsman on the series and was 100% casual and uninterested throughout the whole war, showing only interest in Luffy yet still not trying against him.

It was all about protraying every important character as just that, important and surprisingly strong.

You make the point that BM in normal conditions wouldn't bother by any of these guys, but we saw her being pushed around by Jinbei and Robin when she was sober during Onigashima. Also with Franky and Brook and also with Marco, who she even ordered a subordinate to shoot, despite her being clearly stronger.

As for who you said "stalled" Mihawk, you aren't being fair.
- You mention Mr.1, but as only a shichibukai underling he didn't get this treatment and he was taken down in a single second by Mihawk. Everyone else, be it Mihawk, WB, YCs or admirals, were hyped as hell.
- You mention Jozu, possibly the most durable of YCs who stopped a nameless ranged attack that wasn't aimed at him.
- You mention Vista, of who we know nothing of where he stands exactly powerwise, but they just clashed swords for a short minute and then dispersed.
- You mention Crocodile, who stopped Mihawk's sword, something that is once again because of MF's portayal intentions only. Even if Mihawk was only YC level, if Crocodile wasn't being hyped as a shichibukai by Oda in the war, his hook would have been cut in half just as easily as Mihawk cut Mr.1. That is a fact going by what we know Crocodile's level really was.

Mihawk is extremely powerful but not Yonko powerful. Just because he is portrayed as Zolo's last opponent does not mean he is above other characters who have shown better feats than Mihawk.
With a sword? No one. The only reasons to downplay Mihawk are MF's portrayal issues and the fact that he's no Yonkou himself, but the thing is, he never wanted to be one. He doesn't even have a crew nor a jolly roger and probably didn't even want to be a pirate. He's likely to lose against a Yonko because of this, but we have nothing real to downplay him on a 1vs1 if we go by we actually know beyond MF.
 

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My take on Mihawk... hopefully this doesnt get taken down.
People believe he is equal to or stronger than the Yonko likes of Shanks and BM. For a few reasons, he was stated to duel younger Pre-Yonko Shanks when the latter had 2 arms but after he lost an arm, Mihawk lost interest in their duels. People think becuase of that Mihawk > Shanks. Oda, stated that even though Shanks lost an arm, he never lost strength, so Mihawk > 1 arm Shanks is NOT true. If anything Shanks > Mihawk, because Shanks became Yonko soon after.

Another reason is hype. Mihawk has not been shown to be on the same level as the Yonko whenever he makes an appearance. Sengoku during the MF War still thought there was a chance that they would lose vs WB, even though the Navy HQ had 3 Admirals and Mihawk present. Mihawk was stalled by Jozu, Vista, Crocodile, and Mr. 1. Hard to believe that BM or Kaido in normal conditions (not drunk or hungry), would be bother by any of them.

Mihawk is extremely powerful but not Yonko powerful. Just because he is portrayed as Zolo's last opponent does not mean he is above other characters who have shown better feats than Mihawk.
Look at what you've done lol
 

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But, because Shanks also has that GOAT aura, and is a yonkou, I have Shanks and Mihawk on the same level. The portrayal Shanks has is far too strong to deny, which I do admit is a testament to his crews' strength as well.
Regardless of what I think of them in a 1vs1, if we compare them as pirates then Shanks is more than likely stronger because him + his crew needs to be stronger than Mihawk + his nonexistent crew.

The most likely is that they're on the same tier, regardless of who (Mihawk) has the edge.
 

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4- We know that despite stopping dueling, according to Mihawk's vibre card, he's now "actively looking for someone stronger than Shanks to fight". You can argue anything you want about Mihawk's portrayal in the manga, but a man that's weaker than Shanks and, according to you, "scared" of dueling him, wouldn't be looking for stronger opponents now.
Where can I find the vivre cards? I consider all this stuff canon so I'd like to read it.
 

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Where can I find the vivre cards? I consider all this stuff canon so I'd like to read it.
 

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Regardless of what I think of them in a 1vs1, if we compare them as pirates then Shanks is more than likely stronger because him + his crew needs to be stronger than Mihawk + his nonexistent crew.

The most likely is that they're on the same tier, regardless of who (Mihawk) has the edge.
Will be good to see Shanks fight this year, to clear all this stuff up.

edit: now I'm off to the Library of Ohara for an afternoon
 

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Shanks vs Mihawk is banned in this thread? Come on mods

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Shanks vs Mihawk is banned in this thread? Come on mods

😂😂😂
It will be fine as long as it doesn't spiral out of control for days. Again. 🕵️‍♂️
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Btw, on the vivre cards (I have a hard time spelling that with two vs): they are supposed to be canon. They're similar to SBSs in that regard, but without all the jokes.
 

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Not a Shanks v Mihawk Debate so don't delete. It is however an observation.

Whether Shanks fights this year or not. Shanks list of feats have grown with each time he appears and there are those still unwilling to accept certain truths and twist the narrative. Shanks could defeat Kaido and it would still be argued that Mihawk is stronger.

Mihawk's only serious fight seems to be saved for Zoro... which won't tell us anything because we know Zoro is going to win. So Mihawks feats for a 1000+ chapter Manga are going to be:

1. Getting stalled by Vista(save the excuses please, I've already heard them all)

2. Fighting off the BusterCall being sent to his island.

3. Losing to Zoro

I personally don't dislike Mihawk, but usage of his title to put him above PROVEN warriors is bunk. Especially when he doesn't have a single feat against a top tier.
 

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I saw someone else mention mihawk so I thought I could jump in.

Now onto a different discussion (hopefully people follow) Blackbeard vs Marco, Pre TS and without the Quake Quake Fruit.
 

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I personally don't dislike Mihawk, but usage of his title to put him above PROVEN warriors is bunk. Especially when he doesn't have a single feat against a top tier.
You don't count the Shanks vs Mihawk 'legend'?

But I get your point.

In terms of swordsman, for which Mihawk sits at the top, there's only Shanks, Oden and Zoro who are really relevant to the conversation. If we ignore Shanks, leaves Oden and the still improving Zoro. Wonder if Oden could beat Mihawk?
 

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I saw someone else mention mihawk so I thought I could jump in.

Now onto a different discussion (hopefully people follow) Blackbeard vs Marco, Pre TS and without the Quake Quake Fruit.
Still give to BB. Marco's regeneration ability gets nullified. And when seastone cuffs were placed on him, Marco fell pretty quickly so I'd say BB... maybe high difficulty. He would have a slightly harder fight than he did against Ace
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You don't count the Shanks vs Mihawk 'legend'?

But I get your point.

In terms of swordsman, for which Mihawk sits at the top, there's only Shanks, Oden and Zoro who are really relevant to the conversation. If we ignore Shanks, leaves Oden and the still improving Zoro. Wonder if Oden could beat Mihawk?
I don't. Shanks wasn't a Yonko back then. They were high level duels but not top tier level duels from what we know.


Oden v Mihawk would be good match up. I'd say they are possibly equal as it pertains to the skill of their swordsmanship.

This Oden being the one that faced Kaido.
 

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Not a Shanks v Mihawk Debate so don't delete. It is however an observation.

Whether Shanks fights this year or not. Shanks list of feats have grown with each time he appears and there are those still unwilling to accept certain truths and twist the narrative. Shanks could defeat Kaido and it would still be argued that Mihawk is stronger.

Mihawk's only serious fight seems to be saved for Zoro... which won't tell us anything because we know Zoro is going to win. So Mihawks feats for a 1000+ chapter Manga are going to be:

1. Getting stalled by Vista(save the excuses please, I've already heard them all)

2. Fighting off the BusterCall being sent to his island.

3. Losing to Zoro

I personally don't dislike Mihawk, but usage of his title to put him above PROVEN warriors is bunk. Especially when he doesn't have a single feat against a top tier.
Neither did Kaido have a single feat two years ago and nobody questioned him. Not everything is feats.
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In terms of swordsman, for which Mihawk sits at the top, there's only Shanks, Oden and Zoro who are really relevant to the conversation. If we ignore Shanks, leaves Oden and the still improving Zoro. Wonder if Oden could beat Mihawk?
And Rayleigh.
 

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Neither did Kaido have a single feat two years ago and nobody questioned him. Not everything is feats.
Kaido hadn't been introduced yet, but once he was he fell 10,000 meters without a single scratch.

Mihawk has been around for decades now and nothing...

Everything doesn't have to be feats but if your going to claim he's stronger than someone who DOES have feats then you need to provide some evidence. Hence why Mihawk vs Shanks is banned in this thread. He has no feats to speak of.
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Even though Oden never forged a black blade?
In my opinion forging a black blade has more to do with the swordsman living his life dedicated to living by the sword not the strength of the swordsman. Since we don't know how a black blade is forged we can't use it as a power level feat.

Oden did have Enma which has magical properties
 

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Everything doesn't have to be feats but if your going to claim he's stronger than someone who DOES have feats then you need to provide some evidence. Hence why Mihawk vs Shanks is banned in this thread. He has no feats to speak of.
Not at all: I simply banned the topic because it's never ending.

You have evidence for your claims and I have for mine: my evidence is simply not feats because it's simply not been Mihawk's arc to shine yet. We'll see how many feats he has when the manga is over.
 
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