One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[LadyVados]

Nah, it isn't. Plus Enma is reason for that being magical sword from how Yonkos are talking about.

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Nah, they are Whitebeard and Shiki to Luffy's Roger. Zoro isn't stronger than them and he is fighting more with Killer from what we seen on interactions.

But Zoro has enma who cares if it’s unfair or magical

Rayleigh > Shiki any day and likely = Whitebeard (did you see how he one-flicked Marco ?)

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Zoro doesn’t beat Kata LMAOO let alone Marco, so let’s dead with beyond YC level nonsense. Though if Marco vs King & Queen has taught the readers anything is that the Yonko Commander level term shouldn’t exist anyway.

There is no way in hell Kata could damage Kaido like Zoro did

 

[King Moe]

But Zoro has enma who cares if it’s unfair or magical

Rayleigh > Shiki any day and likely = Whitebeard (did you see how he one-flicked Marco ?)

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There is no way in hell Kata could damage Kaido like Zoro did

That like saying Luffy for having shadows inside of him to help in his fight against Oars didn't mean anything. Do you think Luffy without it would have beaten Oars? Just saying Zoro is strong, but it lately been stating on Enma being magical sword that is helping him being involve more.

Lol no. We seen latest on Whitebeard especially in Prime. He beats Rayleigh and Shiki the same if Garp and Sengoku had trouble with him. Rayleigh is not on that level of PK Tier, but doesn't mean he isn't strong in his own side.

Katakuri could possible damage him and Zoro is using Enma for how he damage him more though. Using this to say he solo YC easily doesn't make sense especially in team fight when Kaido isn't focus on him and wanted Luffy more.

 

[hokageji]

People that put Law and Kidd above Zoro are reading Two Piece.

And then, those who put Zoro ahead of Luffy are reading three piece???

I dont get how Zoro can be put either over or under Law and Kidd. Specially Kidd, we have barely seen him fight. This idea of making Zoro the strongest the way the events are listed is hard to confirm, so that luxury probably helps...

Law is an incredible tactician and can be considered above Zoro, not Luffy since we've seen a comparison against Mingo atleast. Its harder to make the case that Zoro can take down Law, but its possible.

 

[Ramen]

And then, those who put Zoro ahead of Luffy are reading three piece???

Yes.

I dont get how Zoro can be put either over or under Law and Kidd. Specially Kidd, we have barely seen him fight. This idea of making Zoro the strongest the way the events are listed is hard to confirm, so that luxury probably helps...

Because Zoro has done better than Kidd in all aspects of the story.

 

[hokageji]

Yes.

Well, its good that you agree with this...

Because Zoro has done better than Kidd in all aspects of the story.

Perhaps, but we haven't really seen enough of Kidd though, right?
From what we know, he's a notorious pirate and his bounty exceeded Luffy's.
He has a DF ability that can nullify swords (magnetism can heat up metal, bend or break it too).. that gives him the edge over swordsmen..
His attacks on Kaido were impressive.
He can use conquerors...

I think Zoro can be placed higher than Killer, based on their fight but with Kidd, there's no info to be sure.

 

[Nie Li]

Well, its good that you agree with this...


Perhaps, but we haven't really seen enough of Kidd though, right?
From what we know, he's a notorious pirate and his bounty exceeded Luffy's.
He has a DF ability that can nullify swords (magnetism can heat up metal, bend or break it too).. that gives him the edge over swordsmen..
His attacks on Kaido were impressive.
He can use conquerors...

I think Zoro can be placed higher than Killer, based on their fight but with Kidd, there's no info to be sure.

I'd say we can put Zoro above Kidd if we go by what the both of them have shown so far, assuming Kidd has been going all out on Kaido already. If we compare how Kidd used his magnetism (and how he didn't even try to use it on Kaido's weapons or bracelets), how easy his metal mecha was cut through even if it regenerated, etc, Zoro can be seen as superior in a fight.

But of course if Kidd has more in store then that can always change. The ranking is pretty much changing every month and the fight with Kaido of course isn't over yet.

 

[LadyVados]

And then, those who put Zoro ahead of Luffy are reading three piece???

Saying Zoro is above Luffy is a more reasonable proposition than saying Zoro is below Law and Midd.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Saying Zoro is above Luffy is a more reasonable proposition than saying Zoro is below Law and Midd.

Thats outrageous

You MUST be joking

 

[Crimson Ice]

But Zoro has enma who cares if it’s unfair or magical

Rayleigh > Shiki any day and likely = Whitebeard (did you see how he one-flicked Marco ?)

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There is no way in hell Kata could damage Kaido like Zoro did

So? Zoro's special sword allowed him to damage Kaido, Kata outclasses him on pretty much anything else. That offensive power means little is Zoro struggles to hit Kata.

 

[LadyVados]

Thats outrageous

You MUST be joking

Do you see what Law and Midd have been doing recently ?

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So? Zoro's special sword allowed him to damage Kaido, Kata outclasses him on pretty much anything else. That offensive power means little is Zoro struggles to hit Kata.

Speed.

Also how will Kata dodge Tatsumaki ?

 

[Ramen]

So? Zoro's special sword allowed him to damage Kaido, Kata outclasses him on pretty much anything else. That offensive power means little is Zoro struggles to hit Kata.

ZoRo'S sWoRdS aLlOwEd hIm tO HiM dAmAge KaIdo.

Yea.....a swordsman uses swords to fight people......thanks for pointing out the obvious.

Zoro outclassed Katakuri in speed and all it takes is one attack to put down Katakuri.

 

[King Moe]

And then, those who put Zoro ahead of Luffy are reading three piece???

I dont get how Zoro can be put either over or under Law and Kidd. Specially Kidd, we have barely seen him fight. This idea of making Zoro the strongest the way the events are listed is hard to confirm, so that luxury probably helps...

Law is an incredible tactician and can be considered above Zoro, not Luffy since we've seen a comparison against Mingo atleast. Its harder to make the case that Zoro can take down Law, but its possible.

Oda is showing he can damage Kaido too as shown with Kidd early and doubt he is finish yet as well is Law. Those two are going to be major rivals to Luffy as his Whitebeard and Shiki of their era, so can't see them being weaker than Zoro if they are shown to be Luffy's major rivals. Especially Killer is shown to be same level as Zoro on how they are supporting their respective captains.

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Also argument few are saying Zoro can easily beat Katakuri is laughable. The man with FS isn't going to get hit by Zoro given his speed and even more so, he will even tank his attack and knock back Zoro worse. That is still bad matchup espeically Zoro doesn't have capabilities to outmaneuver like Katakuri especially in COO.

 

[Fallou]

Useless debate if I ever saw one...But Zoro fans will be Zoro fans I guess

 

[LadyVados]

Oda is showing he can damage Kaido too as shown with Kidd early and doubt he is finish yet as well is Law. Those two are going to be major rivals to Luffy as his Whitebeard and Shiki of their era, so can't see them being weaker than Zoro if they are shown to be Luffy's major rivals. Especially Killer is shown to be same level as Zoro on how they are supporting their respective captains.

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Also argument few are saying Zoro can easily beat Katakuri is laughable. The man with FS isn't going to get hit by Zoro given his speed and even more so, he will even tank his attack and knock back Zoro worse. That is still bad matchup espeically Zoro doesn't have capabilities to outmaneuver like Katakuri especially in COO.

Lol at latakuri tanking attacks that hurt Kaido

 

[Shasha23]

Lol at latakuri tanking attacks that hurt Kaido

LOL i know right, some people come up with the most stupid arguments ever.

 

[XXGenesis]

LOL i know right, some people come up with the most stupid arguments ever.

When the One Piece Forum is active again. What do you expect.

Enma gives a significant power output boost. That’s all ppl focus on. Not that it has it drawbacks of high stamina drain despite it still being tamed.

Unlike a Significant defense Boost of a raid Suit that allows users to tank lethal attacks. Which you don’t have to train to use anyone can use the suit.

The hypocrisy

 

[kkck]

There is no indication that enma comes with substantial stamina drawkbacks... or any drawbacks once mastered.

 

[King Moe]

Lol at latakuri tanking attacks that hurt Kaido

Yeah cause he tanked a lot of G4 with Luffy who using it to hurt Kaido too. So stupid to say Zolo defeat YC easily especially Katakuri. Headcannons especially in team fight doesn't support what he can do on his own. Especially Enma we know is why he is there.

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When the One Piece Forum is active again. What do you expect.

Enma gives a significant power output boost. That’s all ppl focus on. Not that it has it drawbacks of high stamina drain despite it still being tamed.

Unlike a Significant defense Boost of a raid Suit that allows users to tank lethal attacks. Which you don’t have to train to use anyone can use the suit.

The hypocrisy

Enma is simple Magical Sword that need Haki to harness it. Majority of notable characters can use it.

RS is complex material no one can wear and doesn't mean they give you power as you still fight with your own skills.

 

[Nie Li]

Yeah cause he tanked a lot of G4 with Luffy who using it to hurt Kaido too. So stupid to say Zolo defeat YC easily especially Katakuri. Headcannons especially in team fight doesn't support what he can do on his own. Especially Enma we know is why he is there.

The G4 punches Katakuri took have nothing to do with the G4 punches Kaido is taking now. Have you even read the arc?

 

[King Moe]

The G4 punches Katakuri took have nothing to do with the G4 punches Kaido is taking now. Have you even read the arc?

Depends. We can't tell level of Haki being used on each attack. Though it's dumb to state Katakuri is now one-shot territory when he isn't especially to say Zoro could beat him when hasn't proven in 1 on 1 fights.