One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Lord Traffy Law]

Zoro can fight 1vs 1 against an admiral. tbh think he could have 1vs 1 kaido

Zoro barely hurt kaido and he's been on a 5 on 2 so far

 

[Freid]

Zoro can fight 1vs 1 against an admiral. tbh think he could have 1vs 1 kaido

 

[LadyVados]

1009 broke KOL

He’s become a Zoro wanker and is now saying Zoro is admiral level

A tier above his fave Kata

 

[M3J]

Zoro barely hurt kaido and he's been on a 5 on 2 so far

He barely did anything to Fujitora as well, so yeah.

 

[LaGOAT]

1009 broke KOL

He’s become a Zoro wanker and is now saying Zoro is admiral level

A tier above his fave Kata

he is welcome to join zoro train we love new members
his fav Lanji is just a laughstock

 

[Sachsenhesse]

1 vs. 1 an admiral for current isnt such a stretch to be honest. Hes done incredibly well and showed some real power, speed and observation. 1 vs. 1 against kaidou is a stretch.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Maybe the new gen of admirals zoro could hang a bit
But akainu kizaru and aokiji ? Or sengoku ? Or garp
I think it goes very badly , same if he went at big mum or kaido 1 on 1

Remember however we are getting closer to the end , zoro and Luffy are supposed to be able to hang with top tiers now
Luffy been at commander level for a while now so the next step is admiral stuff

 

[neomaster121]

Rayleigh could handle admirals so on a minimum Zoro should be able to handle them. Zoro strength wise would handle kaido. He also wouldn't take as many direct hits blocking with his swords

 

[M3J]

Severe doubts if Zoro would ever be able to handle an Emperor at any point... maybe an admiral at best.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Rayleigh could handle admirals so on a minimum Zoro should be able to handle them. Zoro strength wise would handle kaido. He also wouldn't take as many direct hits blocking with his swords

Are you talking about EoS Zoro or current Zoro? Cos every single character on the alliance cannot one vs one Kaido or Big Mom and live even after the end of this Wano arc. They need as much power up as they'll be getting.
Even Marco would likely die fighting either Yonko in a 1v1.

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Remember however we are getting closer to the end , zoro and Luffy are supposed to be able to hang with top tiers now
Luffy been at commander level for a while now so the next step is admiral stuff

Yeah. It'll still likely take a short while for Luffy to reach that. Possibly immediately after the Wano arc he'll be one step closer. They are all improving exponentially in this battle.

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Zoro can fight 1vs 1 against an admiral. tbh think he could have 1vs 1 kaido

It's easy to get carried away and forget it's never going to be a 1 on 1 fight for any of the Supernova. They keep on supporting each other and have been allowed to constantly be on the offensive for the most part. Hence, neither one of them have come close to getting severely damage. Of course until the latest chapter, but that's just a glimpse of what happens if a Yonko should tag in battle even for a second with another Yonko. Otherwise, both Kaido and Big Mom have just been going in turns and taking it easy with the young gen.

 

[A$APBog]

Is there a consensus saying Admirals > YC. Because honestly, each time we've seen a top YC fighting an Admiral, it was pretty even (Marco in Marine Ford, Rayleigh v Kizaru or even if it's not a fight, Ben Beckman threatening Kizaru). Except for Ace against Akainu, but I consider Ace was a greenhorn to be honest.

I would say it's debatable (and it's true that there is significant difference of power between the YC themselves) but I think a YC1 could be more or less in the same tier than an Admiral and YC2/YC3 slightly below.

If it has been proven wrong by A + B, my bad tho

 

[kkck]

I am inclined to agree, to me it seems admirals are closer to top yonko commanders than they are to proper yonko. There is also a case to be made that marco, jozu and vista are actually exceptional among current yonko commanders and the others (at least katakuri and king) don't really match up to admirals. Barring distractions marco and jozu held out pretty well against multiple admirals and vista seemed to be capable of matching mihawk. Marco held out well against big mom though there is also a chance he grew stronger over the timeskip.

 

[Crimson Ice]

1 vs. 1 an admiral for current isnt such a stretch to be honest. Hes done incredibly well and showed some real power, speed and observation. 1 vs. 1 against kaidou is a stretch.

1 v 1 against an Admiral is definitely a stretch, Zoro is out here 2 v 5ing someone on the same level as an Admiral and is currently losing.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

same level as an Admiral

Kaido is above any admiral.

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someone on the same level as an Admiral

Kaido is above any admiral. That's a fact on many basis. But the most compelling:
Mingo who's just slightly stronger than Luffy at the point of their duel thought Aokiji, an Admiral level fighter, is fair game (of course he'd lose but not easily) and at a point clashed with Fujitora (he'd still lose in a real battle) sees Kaido as an overwhelming monster both Admirals pale in comparison to.
He couldn't even bare the thought of fighting Kaido.

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1 v 1 against an Admiral is definitely a stretch

Not really. He can fight them and lose in a 1v1. How fast he loses should be the question even with current power ups.
Expecting anything other than a loss is the stretch.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Kaido is above any admiral.

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Kaido is above any admiral. That's a fact on many basis. But the most compelling:
Mingo who's just slightly stronger than Luffy at the point of their duel thought Aokiji, an Admiral level fighter, is fair game (of course he'd lose but not easily) and at a point clashed with Fujitora (he'd still lose in a real battle) sees Kaido as an overwhelming monster both Admirals pale in comparison to.
He couldn't even bare the thought of fighting Kaido.

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Not really. He can fight them and lose in a 1v1. How fast he loses should be the question even with current power ups.
Expecting anything other than a loss is the stretch.

Words mean things you know. I said same level, not equal. Kaido and an Admiral are the same level.


Mingo is arrogant to think he’d fuck with Kuzan and or Fujitora. We saw at Marineford that the Admirals, while not Newgate’s equal could still contend with him.

Using that logic anyone can fight against an Admiral, they'd just lose quickly. Admirals are legitimate Top Tiers, and Zoro is not one.

 

[M3J]

Is there a consensus saying Admirals > YC. Because honestly, each time we've seen a top YC fighting an Admiral, it was pretty even (Marco in Marine Ford, Rayleigh v Kizaru or even if it's not a fight, Ben Beckman threatening Kizaru). Except for Ace against Akainu, but I consider Ace was a greenhorn to be honest.

I would say it's debatable (and it's true that there is significant difference of power between the YC themselves) but I think a YC1 could be more or less in the same tier than an Admiral and YC2/YC3 slightly below.

If it has been proven wrong by A + B, my bad tho

Assumptions, from what I've seen. I don't think there's anyway to tell who's superior, given Whitebeard failed to take down an admiral for the count and the three admirals couldn't stop Whitebeard. Marco's regeneration likely helped him against the admirals, while Rayleigh and Kizaru weren't really serious. I'd actually be interested in seeing Katakuri vs. an admiral though, over Marco.

 

[Ricko]

I don't think taking Marco or Rayleigh as reference for YC1 is a good thing. Those two are a tier above by far as we could see Marco could stall Big Mom, and even her said that she would need more soul to beat him.
And he could singlehandly give a beat to another YC1 and a YC2.

Queen almost wet his pant against Big Mom, as Katakuri who couldn't imagine to stop his mother to destroy her country.
If Kata was Admiral tier, he could block her rampage like Marco did... He's far from this level !

Admiral are Yonkou tier because they can one shot any commander level, YC1 may endure some time but will lose, as we saw with Jozu, the single error is fatal... While it's not the same for an admiral who were far from going at 100% during their fight.

Akainu even surprised and beaten by Whitebeard could still fight against the whole WB crew (and beat Curiel in his way) !
If he wasn't in Yonkou tier, he would be one shot as Luffy (YC1 tier) when he met Kaido... I don't think Whitebeard was going easy on him, while Kaido was not in serious mode...

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

When it comes to tiers
The admirals were doing really well against Whitebeard , oda made a point to them never gang up on wb
And they dealt way worse damage to Whitebeard than they dealt to him in general

Whitebeard Vs kizaru was inconclusive but kizaru got a solid attack in
Vs akainu , both dealt heavy blows but I reckon akainu dealt the more fatal blows with melting organs and blowing and taking half a face
Aokiji and Whitebeard was also inconclusive
The idea of yonkou were so ahead was always odd to me especially with guys like sengoku and garp factored in
Maybe the new gen isn't as powerful but based on the old guys they could more than handle any yonkou to a stalemate

Also dofffy was just arrogant he'd be finished against akainu or aokiji or kizaru
Akainu was able to fight wb commander and crocodile , doffy would be easy money for all of them

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Is there a consensus saying Admirals > YC. Because honestly, each time we've seen a top YC fighting an Admiral, it was pretty even (Marco in Marine Ford, Rayleigh v Kizaru or even if it's not a fight, Ben Beckman threatening Kizaru). Except for Ace against Akainu, but I consider Ace was a greenhorn to be honest.

I would say it's debatable (and it's true that there is significant difference of power between the YC themselves) but I think a YC1 could be more or less in the same tier than an Admiral and YC2/YC3 slightly below.

If it has been proven wrong by A + B, my bad tho

Ehhhh

Aokiji defeated jozu pretty easily , they both got sneak attacks on each other , except aokiji own was
Akainu

Also Marco and Raleigh are considerably stronger than the average YC1 , they're both much much stronger than king and katakuri
Marco being mentioned with the yonkou on someone who could challenge Blackbeard

I am inclined to agree, to me it seems admirals are closer to top yonko commanders than they are to proper yonko. There is also a case to be made that marco, jozu and vista are actually exceptional among current yonko commanders and the others (at least katakuri and king) don't really match up to admirals. Barring distractions marco and jozu held out pretty well against multiple admirals and vista seemed to be capable of matching mihawk. Marco held out well against big mom though there is also a chance he grew stronger over the timeskip.

The og 3 admirals are much stronger the YC1
Akainu stepping up against all the yonkou commander and crocodile to continue chasing jinbei and he succeeded
All the admirals in marineford stood their ground against Whitebeard

 

[kkck]

The og 3 admirals are much stronger the YC1
Akainu stepping up against all the yonkou commander and crocodile to continue chasing jinbei and he succeeded
All the admirals in marineford stood their ground against Whitebeard

Yes but i think there is a bit of context missing from this. Marineford was not a "fair" battle. Obviously it's not supposed to be but we can't ignore all the advantages the marines had. Most important is that the marines simply had all the time they needed to prepare. Once ace was arrested the marines had all but to send WB the invitation to the war. Basically the notice of ace's execution. So the marines took their home field advantage and the time they had and packed marineford with pretty much every trap they could possibly think of. The marines had ace behind every trench and the best position from which the WB pirates could start the war was one where they could be bombarded from every angle by any marine capable of throwing stuff at them. On top of this massively disadvantageous scenario it wasn't merely a matter of the WB pirates merely breaking through every trap the marines set up along the way, they then had to go back the way they came. All of the WB commanders accumulated substantial amounts of damage while the setup allowed the admirals to stay relatively fresh. And sure, they had their confrontations with marco, jozu and vista but they had far more room to breath through the war than their enemies. That said, I do believe the admirals to be stronger than YC1 through YC3 but the difference is probably smaller than the marineford arc would suggest.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Yes but i think there is a bit of context missing from this. Marineford was not a "fair" battle. Obviously it's not supposed to be but we can't ignore all the advantages the marines had. Most important is that the marines simply had all the time they needed to prepare. Once ace was arrested the marines had all but to send WB the invitation to the war. Basically the notice of ace's execution. So the marines took their home field advantage and the time they had and packed marineford with pretty much every trap they could possibly think of. The marines had ace behind every trench and the best position from which the WB pirates could start the war was one where they could be bombarded from every angle by any marine capable of throwing stuff at them. On top of this massively disadvantageous scenario it wasn't merely a matter of the WB pirates merely breaking through every trap the marines set up along the way, they then had to go back the way they came. All of the WB commanders accumulated substantial amounts of damage while the setup allowed the admirals to stay relatively fresh. And sure, they had their confrontations with marco, jozu and vista but they had far more room to breath through the war than their enemies. That said, I do believe the admirals to be stronger than YC1 through YC3 but the difference is probably smaller than the marineford arc would suggest.

This is speaking from a war tactic advantage
That’s diffident
I am speaking simply of the one on ones
The admirals held ground against white beard and in general dealt him more damage than they dealt him
The WB pirates caught a huge break with the impel down reinforcements even
The shichibukai were almost neutral in impact to boot
The marines didn’t even summon all their strong fighters and still won decisively and Garp and sengoku alone were dealing with the Blackbeard pirates if they got serous from the jump the WB pirates would have lost horrifically
Who among Jozu Marco vista actually sustained high damage prior to facing their admiral counterparts ?
mans please if we are talking high damage akainu had still taken way heavier damage he took a straight white beard quake punch to the face and gut and still recovered to fight them , he ate that so damage and fatigue on that is a tie between him and the WB commanders