One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[kkck]

This is speaking from a war tactic advantage
That’s diffident
I am speaking simply of the one on ones
The admirals held ground against white beard and in general dealt him more damage than they dealt him
The WB pirates caught a huge break with the impel down reinforcements even
The shichibukai were almost neutral in impact to boot
The marines didn’t even summon all their strong fighters and still won decisively and Garp and sengoku alone were dealing with the Blackbeard pirates if they got serous from the jump the WB pirates would have lost horrifically
Who among Jozu Marco vista actually sustained high damage prior to facing their admiral counterparts ?
mans please if we are talking high damage akainu had still taken way heavier damage he took a straight white beard quake punch to the face and gut and still recovered to fight them , he ate that so damage and fatigue on that is a tie between him and the WB commanders

It's not a different thing. The marines set up the entire war so as to systematically drain and tire them with every step they took. Sure, the WB pirates had reinforcements and shenanigans ensued but that doesn't change that even then this was an insanely favorable scenario for marines. Marco at some point was chained with kairoseki and stabbed... Jozu was a bit of freeby for the marines given that him being distracted allowed kizaru an early and actually devastating win. Akainu for the most part got particularly active in the war well after it begun. Akainu for the most part simply got ragged dolled by WB. He did do damage to WB but even then this was an old, sick WB that had sustained damage from a long war. The entire war was a massive ordeal for the pirate side, much more so than it was for marines. The marines simply had the home field advantaged and filled it to the brim with as many traps and barriers as they possibly could, as much to keep the marines out and then in.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

And he could singlehandly give a beat to another YC1 and a YC2.

I think you've not read the last few chapters well. It's clearly stated that Marco is reaching his limit stalling 2 YCs not beating them.
He'd beat Queen in a 1v1 and most likely King (should be very difficult). But with both taking turns at him, Marco will tire out sooner or later and he'd be defeated. They are ancient Zoans for that matter. Marco's losing that battle if no one helps him out against those 2.

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Marco being mentioned with the yonkou on someone who could challenge Blackbeard

Marco leading the Whitebeard pirates is what was mentioned as they were still a powerful force at the time and Blackbeard hasn't been established yet as being on the level of any Yonko (but he was clearly getting there).
It's like Big Mom dying and the WG declares Katakuri leading the rest of the Big Mom pirates to stop a rising power like Blackbeard at the time. Absolutely no difference.

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Also Marco and Raleigh are considerably stronger than the average YC1

Rayleigh yes! Marco... No

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

I think you've not read the last few chapters well. It's clearly stated that Marco is reaching his limit stalling 2 YCs not beating them.
He'd beat Queen in a 1v1 and most likely King (should be very difficult). But with both taking turns at him, Marco will tire out sooner or later and he'd be defeated. They are ancient Zoans for that matter. Marco's losing that battle if no one helps him out against those 2.

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Marco leading the Whitebeard pirates is what was mentioned as they were still a powerful force at the time and Blackbeard hasn't been established yet as being on the level of any Yonko (but he was clearly getting there).
It's like Big Mom dying and the WG declares Katakuri leading the rest of the Big Mom pirates to stop a rising power like Blackbeard at the time. Absolutely no difference.

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Rayleigh yes! Marco... No

Marco is absolutely dog walking katakuri and he’s literally over whelming both king and queen together, he’s much stronger than the average yc1, and he’s more than stalling so far , he’s the one applying pressure and getting his attacks in
Big mum opted not to take him out seeing him as too much of an opponent to waste souls on ,

I don’t see how katakuri or king are close to Marco in any way
They’re both getting beat quick by an all out yonkou or og admiral

 

[A$APBog]

Marco is absolutely dog walking katakuri and he’s literally over whelming both king and queen together, he’s much stronger than the average yc1, and he’s more than stalling so far , he’s the one applying pressure and getting his attacks in
Big mum opted not to take him out seeing him as too much of an opponent to waste souls on ,

I don’t see how katakuri or king are close to Marco in any way
They’re both getting beat quick by an all out yonkou or og admiral

We've still haven't seen King going all out tbh. I don't know if it's a good idea to assume that what we've seen against Marco was all he can do

 

[LadyVados]

Spoiler: 1010

Current Zoro Yonko level and legendary tier confirmed.

EOS Zoro top 1 confirmed

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Severe doubts if Zoro would ever be able to handle an Emperor at any point... maybe an admiral at best.

 

[XXGenesis]

Marco is absolutely dog walking katakuri and he’s literally over whelming both king and queen together, he’s much stronger than the average yc1, and he’s more than stalling so far , he’s the one applying pressure and getting his attacks in
Big mum opted not to take him out seeing him as too much of an opponent to waste souls on ,

I don’t see how katakuri or king are close to Marco in any way
They’re both getting beat quick by an all out yonkou or og admiral

I think I may just agree. Marco seems to be the strongest 1st mate aside from Rayleigh

Katakuri imo may preform better than what King & Queen are showing because of his advance CoO Haki, I think he could exchange or dodge blows with Marco.

Marco is impressively holding down 2 of Kaido’s commander during a war..regardless of how long he can do so efficiently, he’s done enough to show his superiority to them individually

 

[neomaster121]

Spoiler: 1010

Current Zoro Yonko level and legendary tier confirmed.

EOS Zoro top 1 confirmed

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Lol did i not say a few posts ago Zoro could have 1 vs 1 kaido if it wasn't for tanking that attack

 

[kkck]

I think I may just agree. Marco seems to be the strongest 1st mate aside from Rayleigh

Katakuri imo may preform better than what King & Queen are showing because of his advance CoO Haki, I think he could exchange or dodge blows with Marco.

Marco is impressively holding down 2 of Kaido’s commander during a war..regardless of how long he can do so efficiently, he’s done enough to show his superiority to them individually

I've been thinking about this for a few chapters now.. Marco has a fairly impressive showing here but there is perhaps a bit of context we need to consider. King and Queen have held out on their hybrid forms so far. Right now their priority is actually to keep people from getting to kaido rather than merely take out people. As in, their role right now is defensive. Perhaps this plays into how the fight against marco is playing out.

 

[M3J]

Marco is absolutely dog walking katakuri and he’s literally over whelming both king and queen together, he’s much stronger than the average yc1, and he’s more than stalling so far , he’s the one applying pressure and getting his attacks in
Big mum opted not to take him out seeing him as too much of an opponent to waste souls on ,

I don’t see how katakuri or king are close to Marco in any way
They’re both getting beat quick by an all out yonkou or og admiral

How is he "dog walking" Katakuri? Is he fast enough to hit Katakuri? Deal with Katakuri's Future Sight? I don't see how anyone can determine who's superior, given Katakuri's ability to see moves before it's made, and Marco's ability to heal.

Spoiler: 1010

Current Zoro Yonko level and legendary tier confirmed.

EOS Zoro top 1 confirmed

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let me know when he beats an emperor on his own, but also I didn't read the spoilers, so

 

[LadyVados]

but also I didn't read the spoilers, so

Why are you on the spoilers thread then ?

Also Zoro is definitely dog walking Latakuri at this point

No question.

He is probably 3 tiers above him at this point

at least

 

[Crimson Ice]

Spoiler: Spoiler

Not much brain activity in some of these fans. Zoro isn’t Admiral level, spoilers don’t change that.

 

[neomaster121]

Spoiler: Spoiler

Not much brain activity in some of these fans. Zoro isn’t Admiral level, spoilers don’t change that.

Kaido being afraid of Zoro's attack does prove anything... right

 

[Crimson Ice]

Spoiler: Spoiler

Kaido being afraid of Zoro's attack does prove anything... right

Spoilers say nothing of Kaido being afraid. And no, it doesn’t. This is an impressive feat but doesn’t make Zoro Yonko/Admiral level. They are jumping KAIDO, if Zoro was actually on the same level as Kaido he’d be a lot worse off than he is currently.

 

[M3J]

Why are you on the spoilers thread then ?

Also Zoro is definitely dog walking Latakuri at this point

No question.

He is probably 3 tiers above him at this point

at least

Because there are discussions there that don't necessarily involve reading spoilers, especially since people will talk about the spoilers anyway.

No he's not, unless he's fast enough to get past Katakuri's Future Sight or has FS as well.

 

[Nie Li]

Guys, don't talk about what happens on doesn't happen on the new chapter without using spoiler tags.

 

[XXGenesis]

Zoro Pre Enma????
Could Zoro have taken out Doffy?!
Law just wasn’t good enough 1 vs 1; Luffy got hits in but still went over his G4 time limit and needed to retreat for 10mins.

Zoro gets his reps in. we speculate a boost between Dressrosa & Wano but I think, Zoro could have gotten the job done

 

[King Moe]

Zoro Pre Enma????
Could Zoro have taken out Doffy?!
Law just wasn’t good enough 1 vs 1; Luffy got hits in but still went over his G4 time limit and needed to retreat for 10mins.

Zoro gets his reps in. we speculate a boost between Dressrosa & Wano but I think, Zoro could have gotten the job done

My issue is why didn't he use Ashura to break Birdcage if he has this power? I think it is more technique than power-up if it based on skill. Doesn't make sense in past stuff especially that time not use Ashura to break through Pica more either.

 

[Nie Li]

My issue is why didn't he use Ashura to break Birdcage if he has this power? I think it is more technique than power-up if it based on skill. Doesn't make sense in past stuff especially that time not use Ashura to break through Pica more either.

Why would he use Asura to break through Pica if he did that with ease? Pica was fodder to him.

As for the birdcage, who knows. Fujitora and the Scabbards and everyone failed at cutting the birdcage. For some reason they resorted to simply pushing it.

 

[King Moe]

Why would he use Asura to break through Pica if he did that with ease? Pica was fodder to him.

As for the birdcage, who knows. Fujitora and the Scabbards and everyone failed at cutting the birdcage. For some reason they resorted to simply pushing it.

Not about power, but time-consuming since Birdcage and everything. Luffy use G4 to get through faster in this arc, but doesn't mean it's full power. So it must mean something if Oda didn't have him use it on those situation of crisis though. Fujitora didn't want do cause of World Government told him not to get involve like that and Scabbards wasn't all together nor cutting power to cut through it properly.

 

[kkck]

Why would he use Asura to break through Pica if he did that with ease? Pica was fodder to him.

As for the birdcage, who knows. Fujitora and the Scabbards and everyone failed at cutting the birdcage. For some reason they resorted to simply pushing it.

I would argue the issue here is that there just are some devil fruit abilities that work more like forces of nature than mere human techniques. That's why some of them are so absurdly broken. A LOT of people were pushing against the birdcage and while not all where admiral level all of them were skilled enough to be relevant at some new world tier, even if merely as a combatant. Even kinemon, who was probably capable of cutting kaido even back then, couldn't do it. And fujitora of course is insanely powerful within the grand scheme of things... Probably the most powerful person in dressrosa, with only sabo probably being actually in his tier.