One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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[Fox666]

I don't think we will ever see anything about that fight unless a different mangaka makes a spinoff on it.

In One Piece, fights that don't involve the main characters are off-paneled.

 

[King Moe]

In One Piece, fights that don't involve the main characters are off-paneled.

Or at least it goes to certain degree like Roger and Whitebeard.

 

[M3J]

Pretty sure it was a back and forth fight if they fought for 10 days like that. Extreme-Diff with Akainu barely winning or could even be Aokiji choose to spare him and leave to start his mission with SWORD given he can't take FA while doing that. Would like to know more about that fight between them.

THis makes no sense though when the whole point of the fight was that Aokiji did not agree with Akainu becoming the admiral. I don't remember if he wanted to be the admiral, but he didn't approve of Akainu, and I think Jinbei theorized Akainu actually spared Aokiji because they were old comrades. It makes no sense for the two to take immense damage like that, especially when it could make them open to an attack from a strong enemy when they're very tired. Unless implied or said otherwise, they went all out and were almost equal in strength, but Akainu won fair and square and thus could be considered a bit better.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Akainu sparing aokiji makes sense if akainu saw he had one
He only goes extreme on those who cowardly turn their way on justice , aokiji followed his justice all the way down

 

[King Moe]

THis makes no sense though when the whole point of the fight was that Aokiji did not agree with Akainu becoming the admiral. I don't remember if he wanted to be the admiral, but he didn't approve of Akainu, and I think Jinbei theorized Akainu actually spared Aokiji because they were old comrades. It makes no sense for the two to take immense damage like that, especially when it could make them open to an attack from a strong enemy when they're very tired. Unless implied or said otherwise, they went all out and were almost equal in strength, but Akainu won fair and square and thus could be considered a bit better.

Could happen as well, but in case World Government is hiding true information, Aokiji could been the winner, but choose not to after certain reasons on that perhaps?

 

[M3J]

How can they hide true information? What was Jinbei's source? I mean, it's not a stretch to think Akainu is slightly stronger, especially when Oda did say that Akainu could get to Raftel within a year if he wanted to.

 

[King Moe]

How can they hide true information? What was Jinbei's source? I mean, it's not a stretch to think Akainu is slightly stronger, especially when Oda did say that Akainu could get to Raftel within a year if he wanted to.

Again. Just saying you never know with WG and if Aokiji did that to Akainu and fought him for 10 days, he is quite comparable to him especially Kizaru too.

 

[slavkovski]

Akainu sparing aokiji makes sense if akainu saw he had one
He only goes extreme on those who cowardly turn their way on justice , aokiji followed his justice all the way down

Can someone remind me about Aokiji's justice? i mean, i recently saw one piece clip in youtube when Aokiji saving Smoker from Doffy, and i become wondering.. why Aokiji dont just kill Doffy right there if he is really a good guy? i mean... He isnt a marine at that time so he isnt bond to any marine law so he doesnt have to consider Doffy as an ally of the marine (Shicibukai thing), Aokiji must have known what does Doffy have done in dressrosa etc right?
I mean, does Aokiji's justice are letting go all of the pirates to do what the hell they wanted to do as long as it doesnt happen in front of him?

 

[goldb]

Can someone remind me about Aokiji's justice? i mean, i recently saw one piece clip in youtube when Aokiji saving Smoker from Doffy, and i become wondering.. why Aokiji dont just kill Doffy right there if he is really a good guy? i mean... He isnt a marine at that time so he isnt bond to any marine law so he doesnt have to consider Doffy as an ally of the marine (Shicibukai thing), Aokiji must have known what does Doffy have done in dressrosa etc right?
I mean, does Aokiji's justice are letting go all of the pirates to do what the hell they wanted to do as long as it doesnt happen in front of him?

While he was a Marine it was "Lazy Justice", which we saw a lot of during his encounters with the SH around pre Water 7 to post Enies Lobby arc.

I initially thought him killing DD would move Kaido against him or his organisation but besides the Marines, there'd be noone else to report or leak the information. I think it would've just been a hassle for him to fight extensively and he thought it'd be best if the Marines took care of the situation. IIRC he does tell Smoker to inform Akainu to send out an admiral...

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

How can they hide true information? What was Jinbei's source? I mean, it's not a stretch to think Akainu is slightly stronger, especially when Oda did say that Akainu could get to Raftel within a year if he wanted to.

Plus his fruit does have an advtange

 

[M3J]

Again. Just saying you never know with WG and if Aokiji did that to Akainu and fought him for 10 days, he is quite comparable to him especially Kizaru too.

But is there any indication or hint to this at all?

Plus his fruit does have an advtange

if so, then that speaks to Aokiji's prowess as well.

 

[King Moe]

But is there any indication or hint to this at all?



if so, then that speaks to Aokiji's prowess as well.

Idk for sure. We have to see if Oda will do more of flashback on what happened between them. It's clear Aokiji and Akainu damage themselves to the point they change the island's environment and scar their bodies despite being Logia types, so feel the fight was very intense even to the result on it.

 

[XXGenesis]

While he was a Marine it was "Lazy Justice", which we saw a lot of during his encounters with the SH around pre Water 7 to post Enies Lobby arc.

I initially thought him killing DD would move Kaido against him or his organisation but besides the Marines, there'd be noone else to report or leak the information. I think it would've just been a hassle for him to fight extensively and he thought it'd be best if the Marines took care of the situation. IIRC he does tell Smoker to inform Akainu to send out an admiral...

Was it lazy justice? I thought He spared the SHP because they took out Crocodile and cleaned up East Blue.
Also I believe Kuzan is playing at something larger. If he took out Donflamingo; BB wouldn't believe hes going against the marines. So he left it to the Marines and gave smoker a tip.

 

[M3J]

Was it lazy justice? I thought He spared the SHP because they took out Crocodile and cleaned up East Blue.
Also I believe Kuzan is playing at something larger. If he took out Donflamingo; BB wouldn't believe hes going against the marines. So he left it to the Marines and gave smoker a tip.

It is lazy justice, but I think Aokiji also judges according to others. If it weren't for Saul, would he have spared Robin? If it weren't for Garp and Robin, would he have spared Luffy and the Straw Hats? I think the perfect example of Lazy Justice though is when he said they should just give up on going after the crew when they escaped Enies Lobby.

 

[XXGenesis]

It is lazy justice, but I think Aokiji also judges according to others. If it weren't for Saul, would he have spared Robin? If it weren't for Garp and Robin, would he have spared Luffy and the Straw Hats? I think the perfect example of Lazy Justice though is when he said they should just give up on going after the crew when they escaped Enies Lobby.

doesnt seem lazy more circumstanciual...Akoji had no problem trying to kill Luffy during the paramount war after Shanks called for it's end. from my perspective Akoji isn't as lazy as per say Kizaru

 

[I Am Atomic]

Aokiji's justice was "Burning Justice" before changing it to "Lazy Justice" after the Ohara incident.
Killing his friend Saul changed his justice system.

Just an fyi

 

[M3J]

doesnt seem lazy more circumstanciual...Akoji had no problem trying to kill Luffy during the paramount war after Shanks called for it's end. from my perspective Akoji isn't as lazy as per say Kizaru

I'm just going by Oda and translations.

Aokiji tried that because of Luffy's parentage and potential, and he might have actually made an attempt to kill Luffy the first time they met or not have given up so easily had he known, but he also didn't keep pursuing Luffy or Law.

I don't think Kizaru's lazy though, he had no problem going to places with pirates and taking them out and in. I think he's just carefree but he will go after pirates and enemies. Wasn't he the first admiral to join the war?

 

[slavkovski]

With that kind of "justice" wth is he going to do as a fleet admiral if he defeat akainu back then?

 

[HereNThere]

Given the context of the series, it's pretty clear that "Lazy Justice" is a tongue in cheek understatement of Aokiji's real philosophy because it's basically Moral Justice like Garp's idea.

He's definitely willing to act when necessary, but he's not going to go overboard like Akainu. He's going to take the time to consider his actions rather than act instantly in the name of Justice.

I imagine that's the main reason Sengoku recommended him as his successor.

 

[M3J]

With that kind of "justice" wth is he going to do as a fleet admiral if he defeat akainu back then?

What Eefrit said, but also Aokiji wouldn't necessarily label all pirates as bad, I guess? He'd definitely oppose things like genocide and trying to kill anyone that disagrees with him, like Akainu tried to do to few marines during the war. Though it does make one wonder: where Akainu made the Marines stronger overall, would Aokiji have done the same?