One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Fox666]

Marco was mid-flight, so Garp sent him flying

 

[mangaempire29]

Zoro and Kid still got better feats against Yonkos than Marco does.

 

[Fox666]

The Scabbards, Izo and Killer too...

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Marco got rocked from one Garp punch. Zoro and Kid tanked multiple attacks from Yonkos (with killing intent), they even blocked a few attacks. Kid did damage Kaido wym? Kaido called the supernova captain trio "monsters."

That’s an exaggeration
One serious off concentration punch from Garp is rocking anyone
And also
He didn’t knock Marco out he just sent him flying
Marco immediately recovered

 

[albertwv]

Marco tanked a punch from Garp, of course he would lose in a real fight vs old Garp but I still think Marcos is stronger than the Supernova only right below Luffy

Onigashima Power list:

Kaido, BM,
Luffy, Marco,
King,
Zolo Kid Law,
Queen Sulong Cat and Dog,
Jack, Ashura,
Jimbei, Perospero, Whos Who, Drake, Sasaki, Sanji, Kin, Denjiro
Ulti, Page One, Black Maria, Apoo, Hawkins, Killer, Izo, Kawatmasu
Franky, Raizo, Kanjuro, Kiku,
Numbers,
Headliners

These are the major fighters right now (or that matter lol )
The 9RS are scattered and I didnt rank them higher because they "injured" Kaido, I dont count that since they were nothing once Kaido went human and one shotted each of them.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Marco tanked a punch from Garp, of course he would lose in a real fight vs old Garp but I still think Marcos is stronger than the Supernova only right below Luffy

Onigashima Power list:

Kaido, BM,
Luffy, Marco,
King,
Zolo Kid Law,
Queen Sulong Cat and Dog,
Jack, Ashura,
Jimbei, Perospero, Whos Who, Drake, Sasaki, Sanji, Kin, Denjiro
Ulti, Page One, Black Maria, Apoo, Hawkins, Killer, Izo, Kawatmasu
Franky, Raizo, Kanjuro, Kiku,
Numbers,
Headliners

These are the major fighters right now (or that matter lol )
The 9RS are scattered and I didnt rank them higher because they "injured" Kaido, I dont count that since they were nothing once Kaido went human and one shotted each of them.

Nothing really implies that king is above kidd law zolo or suulong inu and neko tbh

 

[mangaempire29]

Onigashima Power List:

1. Hybrid Kaido
2. Big Mom
3. Luffy
4. Zoro
5. Kid / Law
6. Marco
7. King
8. Killer
9. Queen
10. Sulong Neko and Inuarashi
11. Ashura Doji
12. Jack
13. Sanji
14. Jinbei
15. Who's Who
16. Denjiro
17. Perospero
18. X Drake
19. Hyogoro
20. Kawamatsu
21. Ulti
22. Page One
23. Franky / Sasaki
24. Black Maria
25. Apoo
26. Hawkins
27. Kin'emon
28. Kanjuro
29. Raizo
30. Kiku

 

[albertwv]

Onigashima Power List:

1. Hybrid Kaido
2. Big Mom
3. Luffy
4. Zoro
5. Kid / Law
6. Marco
7. King
8. Killer
9. Queen
10. Sulong Neko and Inuarashi
11. Ashura Doji
12. Jack
13. Sanji
14. Jinbei
15. Who's Who
16. Denjiro
17. Perospero
18. X Drake
19. Hyogoro
20. Kawamatsu
21. Ulti
22. Page One
23. Franky / Sasaki
24. Black Maria
25. Apoo
26. Hawkins
27. Kin'emon
28. Kanjuro
29. Raizo
30. Kiku

I doubt Zolo Kid and Law are above Marco yet. Sanji hasnt shown anything being above Jimbei, so Sanji is right below him. Killer stronger than Queen? No way. Killer is around Hawkins/Drake level. Franky = Sasaki > Apoo and Kinemon? Hmm although he is fighting Sasaki who seems pretty strong, i'll wait until Franky defeats him. I think 9RS are equivalent to the Flying 6.

 

[Ellenate]

Chopper-

He's a character that uses his fruit in a similar fashion to luffy (...couldn't think of it at the time).

 

[mangaempire29]

I doubt Zolo Kid and Law are above Marco yet. Sanji hasnt shown anything being above Jimbei, so Sanji is right below him. Killer stronger than Queen? No way. Killer is around Hawkins/Drake level. Franky = Sasaki > Apoo and Kinemon? Hmm although he is fighting Sasaki who seems pretty strong, i'll wait until Franky defeats him. I think 9RS are equivalent to the Flying 6.

Zoro scarred Kaido bruh. Kid and Law both damaged Kaido and Big Mom multiple times whereas Marco got scooped up by Big Mom in two panels. Even current Kid is fighting well against Big Mom.
Killer has better feats than Queen, who got stomped by Amnesia Big Mom and was scared asf at the sight of Big Mom when she regained her memories.
Flying 6 > Apoo and Hawkins, they're officers, the Beast Pirates hierarchy states the Calamities > Flying 6 > Shinuchi > Numbers. If Apoo and Hawkins were stronger, they would've been at least Tobiroppo. Portrayal states Flying 6 > Apoo and Hawkins, who are just officers.

 

[XXGenesis]

The Rooftop Fight. Consists of the SuperNova Commander lv Fighters going up against 2 Yonkou......

It’s not fair to over credit multiple assailants ganging up on 2 ppl; The Captains along with Zoro I’ll give them their credit.

Can hold out 1 vs 1 for a bit. But it wouldn’t be that long.* vs Kaido; He wouldn’t even need his Hybrid form; Luffy would be in dire trouble after his G4 time limit. Zoro would damage Kaido a lot but lose to CoC attacks; Kidd does all his repetitive Metal stuff to get owned; Law dodges for his life with a few attacks and then loses.

Marco would preform in the same manner

 

[albertwv]

Zoro scarred Kaido bruh. Kid and Law both damaged Kaido and Big Mom multiple times whereas Marco got scooped up by Big Mom in two panels. Even current Kid is fighting well against Big Mom.
Killer has better feats than Queen, who got stomped by Amnesia Big Mom and was scared asf at the sight of Big Mom when she regained her memories.
Flying 6 > Apoo and Hawkins, they're officers, the Beast Pirates hierarchy states the Calamities > Flying 6 > Shinuchi > Numbers. If Apoo and Hawkins were stronger, they would've been at least Tobiroppo. Portrayal states Flying 6 > Apoo and Hawkins, who are just officers.

Okay this Zolo vs Kaido scar thing is being overrated now. I too thought it was amazing and meant Zolo was on a whole different level, but when people start hyping it up saying Zolo > Luffy > Marco > Katakuri. It is hard to take it seriously and downplays Zolo. Zolo is strong but I cannot see him taking down any YC1 yet. He is not faster than Katakuri or Marco. Maybe if Zolo actually manages to slash them with Ashura he might win, but he was able to scar Kaido because Kaido was a huge target, Kaido didnt think he would be cut that bad so he didnt bother dodging or blocking.

Killer does not have better feats than Queen stop playing. Queen actually took 2 physical hits from BM while Killer has only taken a lightning strike which may be stronger but we dont know. Also his match up is Hawkins and Hawkins is weaker than Queen so there you go.
I always wondered about Flying 6 level, it seems that it is only a special group for Ancient Zoans, Hawkins and Apoo are clearly as strong as them, but since they do not have Ancient Zoans were they not allowed to be part of the group?

 

[mangaempire29]

Okay this Zolo vs Kaido scar thing is being overrated now. I too thought it was amazing and meant Zolo was on a whole different level, but when people start hyping it up saying Zolo > Luffy > Marco > Katakuri. It is hard to take it seriously and downplays Zolo. Zolo is strong but I cannot see him taking down any YC1 yet. He is not faster than Katakuri or Marco. Maybe if Zolo actually manages to slash them with Ashura he might win, but he was able to scar Kaido because Kaido was a huge target, Kaido didnt think he would be cut that bad so he didnt bother dodging or blocking.

Never said Zoro > Luffy bruh, 4/5 of rooftop supernovas all have better feats than Marco.
Marco clashed with Big Mom a bit then got scooped up. Law's gamma knife damaged Dragon Kaido and his injection shot made Hybrid Kaido bleed. Kid sent her flying with repel, blocked Big Mom's slash (that had killing intent) then he slammed her. Zoro's enma feats are impressive asf. Luffy is self-explanatory.

Killer does not have better feats than Queen stop playing. Queen actually took 2 physical hits from BM while Killer has only taken a lightning strike which may be stronger but we dont know.

Killer tanked stronger attacks from Big Mom than Queen did. Sonic Scythe >> Brachio Bomber.

Also his match up is Hawkins and Hawkins is weaker than Queen so there you go.

Killer is severely damaged from fighting 2 Yonkos bruh and he's matched up with a healthy Hawkins.

I always wondered about Flying 6 level, it seems that it is only a special group for Ancient Zoans, Hawkins and Apoo are clearly as strong as them, but since they do not have Ancient Zoans were they not allowed to be part of the group?

The flying six are the six strongest officers that were selected amongst all the officers. They just happen to all be Zoans. Apoo and Hawkins weren't selected because they weren't strong enough. Kaido has a "survival of the fittest" hierarchy amongst the Beast Pirates.

 

[Ricko]

Never said Zoro > Luffy bruh, 4/5 of rooftop supernovas all have better feats than Marco.

Not sure about this.... I don't see any of the 5 supernovas upstairs bashing around 2 YC like Marco did...
Maybe Luffy can do it now, but I don't see Zoro, Kidd or Law overhelm a YC1 at the moment (beat one ok, but not outpowered him)... And I don't speak of Killer who will struggle against Hawkins....
Remember, Law was Doflamingo's playdoll there is no so longtime ago... Luffy had battles to progress, Law didn't... I don't see him pass the gap so quickly...

 

[Fallou]

Trying to establish ranking is pointless if you ask me (I know you don't but I'm still telling you).
How do you even gauge the strength of people you've barely seen fighting?

 

[XXGenesis]

The Flying Sixvare pretty much Weaker Than Jack.....All of them...So they are VC4 XDrake;Ulti;Who’s Who’s

Scabbards also range from VC3.5 to lower...None are above this lv unless Sulong
Denjiro VC4 or under
Asura VC4 or under
Viper VC3.5
Dogstrom VC3.5
Kawamatsu Under VC4
Kimenom Under VC4
Kiku Under VC4
Kanjuro Under VC4
Izo VC4 or under

Only a Few Scabbards are actually stronger than Jack & that’s the minks only in sulong.
Asura’s strong but he can’t defeat Jack & Denjiro is strong enough to stop Zoro’s attacks casually.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

The Flying Sixvare pretty much Weaker Than Jack.....All of them...So they are VC4 XDrake;Ulti;Who’s Who’s

Scabbards also range from VC3.5 to lower...None are above this lv unless Sulong
Denjiro VC4 or under
Asura VC4 or under
Viper VC3.5
Dogstrom VC3.5
Kawamatsu Under VC4
Kimenom Under VC4
Kiku Under VC4
Kanjuro Under VC4
Izo VC4 or under

Only a Few Scabbards are actually stronger than Jack & that’s the minks only in sulong.
Asura’s strong but he can’t defeat Jack & Denjiro is strong enough to stop Zoro’s attacks casually.

Ehh Who’s who is kinda drawing with Jinbei , who to my estimate who’s Stronger than jack
We haven’t seen hybrid sakaski fight yet , might just
Who’s who is definitely bigger profile and stronger than his position portrays , still betting that he’s a level 6 prisoner
Still think we haven’t seen the way of x drake in battle either
I’ll wait before we get more before we say just how strong they are

we haven’t seen many go all out or draw out their full power
Jack and ashura fought it was inconclusive but Jack was kinda with the advantage in the fight so
Can’t really draw conclusions on how strong denjiro kawamatsu denjiro are yet in comparison to jack

 

[albertwv]

Trying to establish ranking is pointless if you ask me (I know you don't but I'm still telling you).
How do you even gauge the strength of people you've barely seen fighting?

Respectfully, why are you on this thread then? To you it's pointless, to me it is interesting. There's ways to gauge someone's sterngth without seeing them fight. For example, Shanks. I imagine he is close to Kaido and BM, we've never seen him fight besides clashing with WB and Akainu. But I am willing to be Shanks is stronger than 95% of the current OP world. Portrayal, hype, title, brief clashes, opponents/rivals, that is a way to gauge someones strength.

I dont think just because someone can hurt Kaido, automatically makes them stronger than YC1s. Sure it is an amazing feat but given other circumstances, I cannot see how Law Kid or even Zolo defeat Katakuri much less Marco. Marco was able to keep up with all 3 Admirals, im sure he can defeat all the Supernova besides Luffy. Cant believe someone believes Killer can take down Queen, no way. Killer is Hawkins match up so they are probably around the same level.

F6 and Supernova, Apoo and Hawkins seem to be close in strength to Drake who is a stronger F6, so I think the F6 was meant for Zoans only, makes sense since Kaido wants a primarily Zoan DF crew, his Top 3 are Zoans, his top 6 headliners are all Zoans and Ancient to add to that. So maybe if you're not Zoan you dont get an important position maybe.

Law and Kid fighting on the rooftop still amazes me, we saw how Law was being ragdolled by Doffy a few arcs ago, and out of nowhere, no training or build up he is now fighting Yonkos, doesnt necessarily make him stronger than Doffy or even a YC1. I mean sure Law probably did get stronger but by that much and out of nowhere. Hmm. Kid we never truly saw how strong he was besides injuring a sweet commander (my guess Snack), so its hard to gauge him before Wano and now he can tango with a Yonko. Hmm. His repel doesnt mean shit.

One last thing Whos who vs Jimbei seems to be equal on par, and I think Whos is the strongest F6 and maybe YC3, but I dont think Jimbei is YC3.
People may hate me for this but I dont think Jimbei is that strong compared to Doffy, Cracker, or even Jack. In water yes but in land no.

 

[XXGenesis]

Ehh Who’s who is kinda drawing with Jinbei , who to my estimate who’s Stronger than jack
We haven’t seen hybrid sakaski fight yet , might just
Who’s who is definitely bigger profile and stronger than his position portrays , still betting that he’s a level 6 prisoner
Still think we haven’t seen the way of x drake in battle either
I’ll wait before we get more before we say just how strong they are

we haven’t seen many go all out or draw out their full power
Jack and ashura fought it was inconclusive but Jack was kinda with the advantage in the fight so
Can’t really draw conclusions on how strong denjiro kawamatsu denjiro are yet in comparison to jack

Respect your opinion.

F6 are captains who surrender to Kaido. They also are weaker than Kaido’s trusted All Stars. Could be misdirection but as a group they all agree X-Drake was the strongest.

Who’s Who more likely knows Jimbei back FisherTiger or Warlord Days.

I would Rank them
XDrake
Who’s Who
Ulti
Page1
Sasaki
BlackM

As for Scabbards; it’s Easy those who stayed in the past & lived 20yrs are the strongest....Minks, Denjiro, & Asura....Kawamatsu was in jail so his growth isn’t as large. Minks are the strongest because of Sulong which makes them Jack’s superior. Asura is strong but Jack I’m sure is stronger. Denjiro stalled a pissed off slightly hurt Zoro. That’s enough to scale Him relatively to his peers. Kawamatsu is a hard call but he was jailed for a long time, still stronger than Raizo & Kiku, possibly Kimenom also

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Respect your opinion.

F6 are captains who surrender to Kaido. They also are weaker than Kaido’s trusted All Stars. Could be misdirection but as a group they all agree X-Drake was the strongest.

Who’s Who more likely knows Jimbei back FisherTiger or Warlord Days.

I would Rank them
XDrake
Who’s Who
Ulti
Page1
Sasaki
BlackM

As for Scabbards; it’s Easy those who stayed in the past & lived 20yrs are the strongest....Minks, Denjiro, & Asura....Kawamatsu was in jail so his growth isn’t as large. Minks are the strongest because of Sulong which makes them Jack’s superior. Asura is strong but Jack I’m sure is stronger. Denjiro stalled a pissed off slightly hurt Zoro. That’s enough to scale Him relatively to his peers. Kawamatsu is a hard call but he was jailed for a long time, still stronger than Raizo & Kiku, possibly Kimenom also

Kawamatsu is stronger than kinemon
He was grouped with the stronger scabbards in denjiro ashura and kawamatsu ( inu and neko weren’t that strong 20 years ago )

Kin is strong but still kinda mid level

the law vs doffy fight a lot of things we’re working against law
He spent all the time running from fujitora and doffy , and then he got shot up , he never really got into that fight on his best foot
Also that was like 300 chapters ago when they fought , protagonists get leagues stronger in one piece , like compare sanji alabasta vs ennies lobby , got leagues stronger and wasn’t even shown to train on panel