One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Lord Traffy Law]

Bullet Vs Supernova is how I thought the fight between Kaido and the rest will play out. All I saw was Kaido getting pummeled and then take everyone out using his CoC.
I hope the anime can make it good!

Bullet on the other hand outskilled everyone easily. His defeat was BS anyway.

The point is that a movie handled an Emperor-level character vs everyone way better than the manga.

people dismissing how kaido easilyone shot luffy before
again the supernovas are much stronger than they were in stampede

 

[LaGOAT]

You kind of made my point, I mean a buster call for a town is one thing, but for 1 person says a lot…

I’m saying that the buster call isn’t relevant to strength either I mean think about it robin hometown wasn’t a powerhouse island and they call one on luffy’s crew in enies lobby while luffy and chopper weren’t able to move again to me buster call isn’t that big of a deal.

 

[I Am Atomic]

people dismissing how kaido easilyone shot luffy before
again the supernovas are much stronger than they were in stampede

I am not arguing against Kaido being stronger than Bullet or anything else. Fox made it clear, it's the story portrayal. Bullet Vs Supernova made me go wow because of the fight itself. There wasn't much talking, but pure fighting.

What we see in the manga right now is, Supernova pummel Kaido for a bit. Kaido take each one out using one hit. Kaido takes more hit without fighting back. BM saving Kaido. This fight is more like a turn based game.

Bullet Vs Supernova was different. Just watch it and you will know. Pretty sure u have so not questioning you. I am just putting out what I would have liked to happen. I personally would have enjoyed it more.

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I guess, I haven’t seen the film.

Just watch the fight on YouTube. I think you will like it.

 

[FetherMan]

I’m saying that the buster call isn’t relevant to strength either I mean think about it robin hometown wasn’t a powerhouse island and they call one on luffy’s crew in enies lobby while luffy and chopper weren’t able to move again to me buster call isn’t that big of a deal.

Well, you think the World Government would make a Buster Call on Buggy the clown, then...?.

 

[XXGenesis]

@Fox666 @Barrier
Watched the fight. Lol, I’m wishes this wasn’t compared to the manga. I’m not impressed if that was the measuring stick…..

Judgingit by itself as a movie fight, it was kool. But not something I’m gonna refer to as better than the rooftop fight or to scale the manga characters.

 

[Crimson Ice]

The point is that a movie handled an Emperor-level character vs everyone way better than the manga.

This is hilarious. Bullet stomped them because none of them bar Luffy fights again after. Kaido displayed his strength when he stomped Luffy. Why would Oda have the rooftop Supernovas get destroyed, this is when they're supposed to overcome the Yonko. Oda even quite blatantly powered-up characters like Zoro and Law for this as well. Kaido has been shown in a great light, his most recent defeat of Luffy shows this well.

 

[kkck]

You kind of made my point, I mean a buster call for a town is one thing, but for 1 person says a lot…

The buster call I would argue is a concept from when the manga's context and power levels were vastly different. The buster call is indiscriminate, cruel and destructive... but also extraordinarily weak. The marines could buster call any yonko whatsoever, land every hit and the yonko in question wouldn't even flinch. With some luck maybe the smoke gives the yonko asthma or something. We have zero reason to think a buster call would do anything to admirals. Or to YC 15 through YC1. Then we have fighters and such from yonko crews... But for they most part they can foderize part 1 rob lucci who was said to be capable of surviving a buster call. Even though rob lucci at the time had rookie level strength. Anything above a new world rookie would pretty much need to be severely drained of strength to actually be affected by a buster call. As in, just send the vice admirals in the boats and don't waste the ammo.

 

[FetherMan]

The buster call I would argue is a concept from when the manga's context and power levels were vastly different. The buster call is indiscriminate, cruel and destructive... but also extraordinarily weak. The marines could buster call any yonko whatsoever, land every hit and the yonko in question wouldn't even flinch. With some luck maybe the smoke gives the yonko asthma or something. We have zero reason to think a buster call would do anything to admirals. Or to YC 15 through YC1. Then we have fighters and such from yonko crews... But for they most part they can foderize part 1 rob lucci who was said to be capable of surviving a buster call. Even though rob lucci at the time had rookie level strength. Anything above a new world rookie would pretty much need to be severely drained of strength to actually be affected by a buster call. As in, just send the vice admirals in the boats and don't waste the ammo.

Don't remember the manga ever showing a Buster Call in use to determine it can actually have little effect against great enemy forces like Yonkou. However, why write in the manga or anime as if, it has significance in a battle to bring down a great threat?.

All I'm saying is, Oda wrote it this way and just approaching it with his idea logic period. Everything you are saying, is just scenarios, where as, the Buster Call was actually shown to be used against Douglas Bullet and led to his imprisonment in Impel Down.

So, your argument is really with what's been shown more or less than what I'm simply referencing to.

 

[Nie Li]

Don't remember the manga ever showing a Buster Call in use to determine it can actually have little effect against great enemy forces like Yonkou. However, why write in the manga or anime as if, it has significance in a battle to bring down a great threat?.

I won't butt in your argument, but I want to point out we did see a Buster Call in use: The whole last part of the Enies Lobby arc was a Buster Call in use.

Some marine warships full of powerful troops (yet no admiral I think) surround an island and bombard it until it disappears entirely, while personally fighting and murdering enemies that try to flee. CP9 only survived thanks to Blueno's DF.

We also saw how they bombarded Ohara.

 

[XXGenesis]

I believe the Buster Call is a Marine Military measure that uses a set amount of force…1 Admiral etc etc

When the news of a Buster Call being called into play, it’s a display of Power by the Marines.

That being said. It’s gonna take more than a Buster call as we know it to take out a Yonkou crew.

 

[Pirate Queen]

The marines certainly think a buster call is enough to deal with Mihawk, seeing as how they sent 5 battleships to apprehend him... idiots

 

[XXGenesis]

The marines certainly think a buster call is enough to deal with Mihawk, seeing as how they sent 5 battleships to apprehend him... idiots

Then an Admiral should be around. I think that is suitable for Mihawk,who doesn’t have a crew.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Then an Admiral should be around. I think that is suitable for Mihawk,who doesn’t have a crew.

Nothing less than Admiral should be sent after him, same with Hancock

 

[XXGenesis]

Nothing less than Admiral should be sent after him, same with Hancock

Agreed.

Hancock I don’t know so much. It think an Admiral would be over kill or a sure win for the Marines. Their VA haven’t been impressive, but maybe they could jump her

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Agreed.

Hancock I don’t know so much. It think an Admiral would be over kill or a sure win for the Marines. Their VA haven’t been impressive, but maybe they could jump her

Well depends if they send gion and tokikake , the vice admirals who were considered for promotion to admirals , they also had code names like the rest of the admirals ( mousagi and chaton ) which for me means they’re both serious business combat wise , I think either could likely capture Hancock if it came to it , but nothing less than an admiral ans a bunch of soldiers for Hancock , the kuja tribe isn’t easy to deal with

 

[slavkovski]

The marines could just bring a bunch of pacifista circling the amazon lily shooting the laser beam non stop and dont forget to bring one admiral preferably fujitora because he is blind, and some VA and coby-level marines, to handle hancock..

 

[Pirate Queen]

The marines could just bring a bunch of pacifista circling the amazon lily shooting the laser beam non stop and dont forget to bring one admiral preferably fujitora because he is blind, and some VA and coby-level marines, to handle hancock..

Blasphemy. That wouldn't be enough

 

[I Am Atomic]

There is no power in One Piece that can take down Boa Hancock. Grow up guys!

 

[M3J]

Luffy can

 

[thedude]

VC rankings have to have Katakuri over both King and Queen after this arc. Already tired and injured Zoro and Sanji are about to beat them here. Neither are at Luffy in WCI level from what we've seen. Zoro comes closest with his new sword, but in terms of awareness haki and armament haki, they are both behind where Luffy was.

Meaning from the people we know, Katakuri > King >= Queen. Don't know where Smoothie slots in. Cracker would be below all of those I think. Shanks crew would be above, or maybe at Katakuri level, but I think Beckman is above for sure. and it's likel Shilew is above Katakuri level as well when all is said and done.