One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[I Am Atomic]

Akainu didn’t get one proper hit, he got blindsided and ambushed and got 2 bad hits

and no he was knocked out , he fell down a platform and lost his footing

He lost his footing? He slid across the platform on his face xD saved his life lol

Anyway, there is a discussion thread on Admirals, Yonko's and Commanders. More have been said about why Yonko's are stronger than Admirals and vice versa.

Last point: WB turned up to the war without meds (handicap). WB was stabbed by Squardo (2nd handicap). He fought the Admirals after this.
The WB we saw when he faced off Shanks is stronger than the Marineford WB because no health issues (stablised condition) and no blade stabbed into his sternum.

 

[Nie Li]

The chain-of-command is not based on strength. The Celestial Dragons are not stronger than the Admirals despite having authority over them. Admirals are the strongest fighters MHQ offers. If you want to be more technical, the Admirals are "the strongest military force of the Marines".

The Celestial Dragons are not part of the Marines, so they're irrelevant to the discussion.

I see what you mean, but I don't believe it's true. The chain-of-command inside the marines is almost exclusively based on strength, that's why haki is a requisite to become vice-admiral and why admirals are "the strongests", because strength is how they raise in rank until they reach the top. The simple fact that fleet admirals were all admirals beforehand is indicative enough of fleet admirals being at least as strong as admirals.

You can argue Sengoku wasn't stronger than the Marineford admirals for example, which, fair enough, could very well be true, with Sengoku being old and never really proving himself on panel as stronger than his monstruous admirals, but Akainu?

Akainu is the current fleet admiral, and he ascended by defeating another admiral in a fight, and it's barely been around two years since he ascended, is he now somehow weaker than the admirals because "the admirals are stated to be the strongest marines"? He's not, he's stronger than them.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

The Celestial Dragons are not part of the Marines, so they're irrelevant to the discussion.

I see what you mean, but I don't believe it's true. The chain-of-command inside the marines is almost exclusively based on strength, that's why haki is a requisite to become vice-admiral and why admirals are "the strongests", because strength is how they raise in rank until they reach the top. The simple fact that fleet admirals were all admirals beforehand is indicative enough of fleet admirals being at least as strong as admirals.

You can argue Sengoku wasn't stronger than the Marineford admirals for example, which, fair enough, could very well be true, with Sengoku being old and never really proving himself on panel as stronger than his monstruous admirals, but Akainu?

Akainu is the current fleet admiral, and he ascended by defeating another admiral in a fight, and it's barely been around two years since he ascended, is he now somehow weaker than the admirals because "the admirals are stated to be the strongest marines"? He's not, he's stronger than them.

I think need to reiterate there’s really nothing like fleet admiral more based on Philosophy among the admirals
If the levels rite of passage was consistently a battle among the 3 admirals to prove who’s the the strongest
Fleet admiral is more of a leadership position
Kizaru didn’t make the cut because neither side of brass really wanted him not because of him being weak but his seemingly passive , nature , Kuzan and akainu have very very strong sense of justice and what they believe is right or wrong
But the fleet admiral doesn’t go on missions they assign and coordinate

it’s the admirals who go out and wreck shit

 

[M3J]

Akainu could have disappeared for a while after taking a hit from Whitebeard because he was biding his time to attack at the right moment. Otherwise despite a bone-shattering attack or two, Akainu was still good and healthy. This war was pretty inconclusive in showing who's stronger.

 

[albertwv]

Lol here we go again the Yonko vs Admiral great debate. As much as I would like to partake in it, I feel like we will never reach a fair conclusion or change each others minds. I am a firm believer of Yonko > Admiral but will not waste any more time on explaining why when it wont change anyone elses mind, which is fine.

 

[LadyVados]

 

[Fox666]

Akainu could have disappeared for a while after taking a hit from Whitebeard because he was biding his time to attack at the right moment. Otherwise despite a bone-shattering attack or two, Akainu was still good and healthy. This war was pretty inconclusive in showing who's stronger.

Whitebeard did not knocked out Akainu.

Their fight broke down the ice under Akainu, and he used his ability to dig a tunnel which he used to ambush Luffy and Jinbe.

However, Akainu did avoid fighting Whitebeard for longer.

 

[M3J]

Smart of Akainu since continuing to fight Whitebeard would have allowed Luffy to escape.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Wait, what do you mean by that? Are you suggesting that admirals are stronger than fleet admirals?

no for me fleett admiral = admiral level, you don't necessarily get promoted higher cause of strength, but you are already hellaciously strong

He lost his footing? He slid scores the platform on his face xD saved his life lol

Anyway, there is a discussion thread on Admirals, Yonko's and Commanders. More have been said about why Yonko's are stronger than Admirals and vice versa.

Last point: WB turned up to the war without meds (handicap). WB was stabbed by Squardo (2nd handicap). He fought the Admirals after this.
The WB we saw when he faced off Shanks is stronger than the Marineford WB because no health issues (stablised condition) and no blade stabbed into his sternum.

akainu legit took hella vicious blows fell down the platform and then had to dig back up

Whitebeard did not knocked out Akainu.

Their fight broke down the ice under Akainu, and he used his ability to dig a tunnel which he used to ambush Luffy and Jinbe.

However, Akainu did avoid fighting Whitebeard for longer.

Whitebeard was dead when he climbed up and he had bigger frogs to fry , he wanted both ace and luffy dead

 

[HereNThere]

no for me fleett admiral = admiral level, you don't necessarily get promoted higher cause of strength, but you are already hellaciously strong

Yup. It's not like you get a sudden boost of power from the title. The fight wasn't even 2 full years ago, so I doubt Akainu suddenly made some major gains in power since then. Aokiji was also up for the position and only barely lost to Akainu, implying that the two of them were already close in strength. So that means that both Akainu and Aokiji were already"Fleet Admiral level" and Aokiji still basically is. So if being Fleet Admiral level means that you are finally on the level of Yonkou, then that would still basically pan out to Yonkou and Admirals being on the same level.

 

[albertwv]

I rank Akainu and Aokiji equals, with Akainu being slightly stronger obviously. For Aokiji an Ice DF to put up a fight for 10 days and scar Akainu a Magma DF, Aokiji's haki must be insane. People forget that Magma is a strong element that can quickly damage to the point of no return, it is NOT Akainu himself but the magma that causes that permanent damage.

Also with Aokiji joining the BB pirates, then that should automatically make BB Pirates a huge threat right? 2 Yonko levels in one crew just like Kaido and BM joining forces. Yet, Akainu paid no attention to that when the Gorosei mentioned it, but the hype of Kaido and BM joining was on a whole another level.

Hype is a main factor on how I ranked Yonko > Admirals

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

I rank Akainu and Aokiji equals, with Akainu being slightly stronger obviously. For Aokiji an Ice DF to put up a fight for 10 days and scar Akainu a Magma DF, Aokiji's haki must be insane. People forget that Magma is a strong element that can quickly damage to the point of no return, it is NOT Akainu himself but the magma that causes that permanent damage.

Also with Aokiji joining the BB pirates, then that should automatically make BB Pirates a huge threat right? 2 Yonko levels in one crew just like Kaido and BM joining forces. Yet, Akainu paid no attention to that when the Gorosei mentioned it, but the hype of Kaido and BM joining was on a whole another level.

Hype is a main factor on how I ranked Yonko > Admirals

I think that’s more of akainu while differing with Kuzan still trusts that he has a sense of justice and it’s not all what it seems
The hype of big mum and kaido also has to do with their big ass organizations and man power joining up , Kuzan is strong but he’s not an entire yonkou the crew and their allies

 

[AmitDS]

He’s clearly not yonkou level but big mum clearly respects his strength a ton
A grab doesn’t mean that much all in all she didn’t defeat him on panel and wanted perospero to do so ,
Luffy been grabbed by harudjin and ulti and was immobilized , doesn’t mean make luffy weaker than them , not saying big mum is not stronger than Marco but getting briefly immobilized means nothing
Marco has carried them a lot support wise in the second

The fact that big mum couldn’t get past him easily in a 1 v 1 is a feat in itself

There’s a reason why Marco got immobilized with sea stone cuffs before getting taken out while the other whitebeard commanders got beat straight up when they faced the admirals

are the rest of yonko more poweful , yes but Marco is still the best of the rest and Probably the strongest YC1
Katakuri seems mad overhyped a tad due to FS

Couldn't get past him easily? lol ok....
Her saying she doesn't have "souls to deal with him" isn't what you're portraying it to be, she's basically saying that she doesn't want to waste time with this fight and other petty squabbles since she wants to deal with Luffy and meet up with Kaido on the roof. I don't know where the misunderstanding of this panel stems from lol

Anyway, while Marco could well be the strongest YC1, that's still leagues off from a Yonkou anyway; he couldn't defeat a YC1 and YC2 together, while Kaido/Big Mom can 1 or 2-shot either.
Since we've seen more of his capabilities in Onigashima vs King/Queen, I think the gorosei's statement about him had more to do with him being WB's second in command and essentially having control over WB's vestigial forces rather than a testament to his individual strength (maybe Yonkou-levelled as was a long-held belief by some of the fandom).

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Couldn't get past him easily? lol ok....
Her saying she doesn't have "souls to deal with him" isn't what you're portraying it to be, she's basically saying that she doesn't want to waste time with this fight and other petty squabbles since she wants to deal with Luffy and meet up with Kaido on the roof. I don't know where the misunderstanding of this panel stems from lol

Anyway, while Marco could well be the strongest YC1, that's still leagues off from a Yonkou anyway; he couldn't defeat a YC1 and YC2 together, while Kaido/Big Mom can 1 or 2-shot either.
Since we've seen more of his capabilities in Onigashima vs King/Queen, I think the gorosei's statement about him had more to do with him being WB's second in command and essentially having control over WB's vestigial forces rather than a testament to his individual strength (maybe Yonkou-levelled as was a long-held belief by some of the fandom).

i was never in the yonkou level marvo talk, he can't dish out damage bad enough like the og admirals and yonkou
the gorosei could have said the whitebeard remnants, but Marco and whitebeard pirate remnants, he was the strongest of the bunch and outside the yonkou pirates
i don't think king and queen get 1 shot by a yonkou,they would defeat them though probably mid diff
and it's hard to say how much energy and stamina healing the allied forces took from macro, I can almost vet oda will mention it as a plot point and how eshausting healing so many made him

you

 

[AmitDS]

i was never in the yonkou level marvo talk, he can't dish out damage bad enough like the og admirals and yonkou
the gorosei could have said the whitebeard remnants, but Marco and whitebeard pirate remnants, he was the strongest of the bunch and outside the yonkou pirates
i don't think king and queen get 1 shot by a yonkou,they would defeat them though probably mid diff
and it's hard to say how much energy and stamina healing the allied forces took from macro, I can almost vet oda will mention it as a plot point and how eshausting healing so many made him

you

Well thank goodness Oda drew this scenario on-panel for us then. O-Lin the hakiless child 2-shot Queen; Kaido 1-shot Luffy at the beginning of Wano with a Thunder Bagua, who at the time would've been hovering around YC1 level.

 

[Monox D. I-Fly]

and it's hard to say how much energy and stamina healing the allied forces took from macro, I can almost vet oda will mention it as a plot point and how eshausting healing so many made him

While I'm not interested in all the talk about power levels, could it be that Jozu's arm was reattached thanks to Marco's healing ability?

 

[Nie Li]

While I'm not interested in all the talk about power levels, could it be that Jozu's arm was reattached thanks to Marco's healing ability?

Unlikely. Jozu's arm was shattered in several pieces that should have remained on Marineford's floor during the ensuing fights that destroyed most of the island.

Marco has barely shown the skills to reinvigorate fallen allies and heal minor wounds, nothing good enough for this.

 

[Monox D. I-Fly]

Then how did Jozu's arm back again?

 

[Nie Li]

Then how did Jozu's arm back again?

What do you mean? As far as we know he hasn't got it back.

 

[Fox666]

Then how did Jozu's arm back again?

Afaik that was an error and was corrected in the volume release