One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[kkck]

yamato has CoC cladding and actually held her ground against kaido with full intent to kill her. Zoro meanwhile still struggles to pull out his full power via enma shenanigans. Yamato is closer to luffy than to zoro at this point...

 

[XXGenesis]

Maybe in English, but Japanese has a more vague meaning of strength

I.e. Kaido's blast breath definitely counts as "strength"

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2021, Original Post Date: Sep 13, 2021 ---

The cuffs were not properly explained

But it was clear that it's not just a matter of strength or speed, internal destruction is essential in removing the cuffs

There's even a panel of Rayleigh removing Camie's necklace with his hand coated in black Haki

I think the internal destruction damages the components of the cuffs that detect if they were removed or not, delaying the explosion

Applied force/pressure or power can also be considered strength….Keyword I was addressing to user who asked a question…was Kaido is Top Creature in verse not the Top of the verse. As with any other title.

yamato right now is in-between zoro and sanji lvl at the end of wano if she joins she would be the 4th strongest

Yamamoto is stronger than both of them at the moment; However she won’t be for long. Zoro & Sanji will always remain the #2 & #3 of the SHP. Yamamoto isn’t part of the crew yet so does it matter if she’s stronger right now??

Formula will always be Luffy is strongest; Zoro will be comparable to Luffy in some moments;
Zoro & Sanji being #2 & #3. Anyone that joins that is stronger will be outshined later on

 

[Pirate Queen]

yamato right now is in-between zoro and sanji lvl at the end of wano if she joins she would be the 4th strongest

It is impossible to see Yamatos performance and say she is weaker than Zoro. She is OBJECTIVELY stronger than Zoro

 

[Ramen]

yamato right now is in-between zoro and sanji lvl at the end of wano if she joins she would be the 4th strongest

She just fought Kaido as an equal for a prolonged period of time on her own. She's stronger than Sanji and Zoro.

 

[albertwv]

Yamato may even be stronger than Luffy or close in equal

 

[HereNThere]

Yeah, I'd say Yamato was also stronger than Luffy until recently. But with Luffy's second wind and innate battle sense, he's probably on par with Yamato now and will likely surpass him soon.

As already pointed out, his performance alone puts him over all of the Supernova who fought Kaido.

 

[Fourofjacks]

She just fought Kaido as an equal for a prolonged period of time on her own. She's stronger than Sanji and Zoro.

How long has she fought? She was up there before the 15minute till landing marker. But most fight scenes were after that and they haven't landed. There's more scenes of her fighting but not clear how long that is.

We know the supernovas thought they had better chance splitting kaido and BM, how much stronger they were together isn't known. During this Zoro was able to carry / defend Luffy for 10 mins, assume that is harder than just looking after yourself.

Yamato hasn't shown any attacks that have concerned kaido. And a apart from the combined kaido /BM attack, I don't remember seeing Zoro knocked down.

One piece has shown it's not straight forward with power levels, and short skirmishes are neither here or there.

 

[LaGOAT]

Y’all forgot that zoro took damage from 2 yonkos attack which broke his bones. Which lead him to use his strongest attacks to scar kaido. But I’ll admit Yamato is doing well against kaido 1v1 Yamato at the very most is equal or slightly above to zoro I don’t think she is stronger than luffy.

but like I said at the end of the arc she will weaker than both sanji and zoro

 

[john ellis]

can we just sit back and look at how stacked the straw hats are if yamato joins?

luffy

zoro, sanji, Yamato, jinbei,

Honestly who the fuck stands a chance of beating this crew at this point? makes sense kaido's days are numbered.

 

[Fallou]

can we just sit back and look at how stacked the straw hats are if yamato joins?

luffy

zoro, sanji, Yamato, jinbei,

Honestly who the fuck stands a chance of beating this crew at this point? makes sense kaido's days are numbered.

I guess the final purpose is to have a crew with several members who are YC level. It's the crew of the future PK, after all.
I'm already having fun imagining their matchups against the Blackbeard pirates

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Y’all forgot that zoro took damage from 2 yonkos attack which broke his bones. Which lead him to use his strongest attacks to scar kaido. But I’ll admit Yamato is doing well against kaido 1v1 Yamato at the very most is equal or slightly above to zoro I don’t think she is stronger than luffy.

but like I said at the end of the arc she will weaker than both sanji and zoro

Ehh Zoro tends to use his strongest moves when his body is in bad condition , and again Zoro participated in a 5 v 2 . Heck he seems somewhat more ruthless against Yamato than the others even
Ans I don’t think that’s the case , Yamato is once again the combination of two monstrously strong characters, the child of kaido , the strongest creature in the world as well being the new oden
Oden joined the roger pirates and was around the same level as Rayleigh/scopper ( Rogers strongest dudes )
And if you think Yamato gonna fall behind , their dream is to go to sea and get many times stronger

I also think maybe kaido’s l might have been misinterpreted, heck we all expected Yamato to be down and out but they still in good enough fighting condition , lasted the longest 1 vs 1 against kaido
Maybe the final W is for luffy to be taken down by the strongest guys
Also lastly Zoro scaring is impressive but once again Yamato hasn’t exactly used their strongest finisher yet

 

[Ramen]

How long has she fought? She was up there before the 15minute till landing marker. But most fight scenes were after that and they haven't landed. There's more scenes of her fighting but not clear how long that is.

We know the supernovas thought they had better chance splitting kaido and BM, how much stronger they were together isn't known. During this Zoro was able to carry / defend Luffy for 10 mins, assume that is harder than just looking after yourself.

Yamato hasn't shown any attacks that have concerned kaido. And a apart from the combined kaido /BM attack, I don't remember seeing Zoro knocked down.

One piece has shown it's not straight forward with power levels, and short skirmishes are neither here or there.

Lol what?

Y’all forgot that zoro took damage from 2 yonkos attack which broke his bones. Which lead him to use his strongest attacks to scar kaido. But I’ll admit Yamato is doing well against kaido 1v1 Yamato at the very most is equal or slightly above to zoro I don’t think she is stronger than luffy.

but like I said at the end of the arc she will weaker than both sanji and zoro

Yes with Law's help he didn't turn into dust and that scar is superficial.

Zoro with the help of the SN couldn't match Kaido.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Y’all forgot that zoro took damage from 2 yonkos attack which broke his bones. Which lead him to use his strongest attacks to scar kaido. But I’ll admit Yamato is doing well against kaido 1v1 Yamato at the very most is equal or slightly above to zoro I don’t think she is stronger than luffy.

but like I said at the end of the arc she will weaker than both sanji and zoro

Yamato is clear or Zoro. None of those rooftop Supernovas were able to fight a Yonko one on one, they were struggling in a 5v2. Honestly, Yamato seems stronger than Luffy right after getting advanced CoC.

 

[Pirate Queen]

By feats Yamato is stronger than Luffy, she's much stronger than Zoro.

Even by the end of the arc, Sanji and Zoro would have to do enough to even put them equal let alone stronger than her.

I bet she has even be fight Kaido solo longer than Luffy

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 15, 2021, Original Post Date: Sep 15, 2021 ---

Yamato is clear or Zoro. None of those rooftop Supernovas were able to fight a Yonko one on one, they were struggling in a 5v2. Honestly, Yamato seems stronger than Luffy right after getting advanced CoC.

Luffy solo's Kaido at a minimum of 30 minutes before being defeated.

 

[hokageji]

Y’all forgot that zoro took damage from 2 yonkos attack which broke his bones. Which lead him to use his strongest attacks to scar kaido. But I’ll admit Yamato is doing well against kaido 1v1 Yamato at the very most is equal or slightly above to zoro I don’t think she is stronger than luffy.

but like I said at the end of the arc she will weaker than both sanji and zoro

I think the argument that Zoro withstood 2 yonko attacks does wonders for his defense abilities. But he hasn't shown advanced form of conquerors canonically atleast.
Its one thing to tank one attack and another thing to fight a yonko for a longer duration. Moreover, the latest chapter reveals how Yamto can form a crystal shield around her adding further depth to her defense
If Yamato will join the crew in the future, Zoro would be levelled up above yamato surely, but as it stands she is above all the strawhats even Luffy.

 

[Nie Li]

I think the argument that Zoro withstood 2 yonko attacks does wonders for his defense abilities. But he hasn't shown advanced form of conquerors canonically atleast.
Its one thing to tank one attack and another thing to fight a yonko for a longer duration. Moreover, the latest chapter reveals how Yamto can form a crystal shield around her adding further depth to her defense
If Yamato will join the crew in the future, Zoro would be levelled up above yamato surely, but as it stands she is above all the strawhats even Luffy.

She is above "beaten down base Luffy", but is she stronger than G4 Luffy with his newfound advanced CoC?

I don't think so, but we will soon see for ourselves.

 

[hokageji]

She is above "beaten down base Luffy", but is she stronger than G4 Luffy with his newfound advanced CoC?

I don't think so, but we will soon see for ourselves.

That didn't work with Kaido so far did it? With Snakeman and advanced CoC, surely but that is still to happen.

 

[Ellenate]

his newfound advanced CoC?

from what we've seen, the only thing it does is let you hurt a person protecting themselves with coc.

 

[M3J]

If Zoro went one on one with Kaidou, he'd likely lose within a minute, if not two at most. Yamato's still standing, so that's impressive.

 

[Nie Li]

from what we've seen, the only thing it does is let you hurt a person protecting themselves with coc.

It made his attacks clash equally with Kaido's. That's a big enough deal. The power and speed boost of Gear 4 should make a significant difference.

We may finally see Kaido go all out.