One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[M3J]

Read what Marco said in the war about WBs condition.

WB was off his meds for days before arriving to the war. Marco said that the meds stabilised his condition. WB we see with Shanks is stronger than the MF one.

Think of it logically. An old guy with no meds to stabilise his condition go to a war. Gets heart attack in between (allowing Akainu to land a blow). Akainu, Aokiji and Kizaru all had to contribute in trying to stop WB's advance to the core of Marineford.
Now think opposite. Let's say Coby is about to be executed by Luffy. Akainu comes to save Coby. Akainu advances. Luffy's main fighters are Kaido, BM and Shanks. All 3 swoop in to attack Akainu. Do you see Akainu performing well as WB did? Oh and throw in couple of heart attacks for Akainu as well
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And if Admirals equals to Yonko. Then Oda wouldn't have made Garp say this. A man who knows WBs and Rayleigh's strength.

I literally addressed that when I was wondering about him still being the strongest despite being sick.

Yeah, I do, given that Akainu kept taking hits after hits from Whitebeard and still got back up to continue fighting.


But why would anyone risk taking on a powerful enemy and losing men when they have one of the strongest groups in the world to deal with??

 

[I Am Atomic]

Yeah, I do, given that Akainu kept taking hits after hits from Whitebeard and still got back up to continue fighting.

I shall keep your reply in mind and learn not to ask you rhetorical questions again. I forgot who I was replying to. My bad.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

I literally addressed that when I was wondering about him still being the strongest despite being sick.

Yeah, I do, given that Akainu kept taking hits after hits from Whitebeard and still got back up to continue fighting.


But why would anyone risk taking on a powerful enemy and losing men when they have one of the strongest groups in the world to deal with??

Yup one piece isn’t dragon ball z they have actual considerations and responsibilities
Gotta weigh pros and cons

 

[M3J]

I shall keep your reply in mind and learn not to ask you rhetorical questions again. I forgot who I was replying to. My bad.

Appreciate it.

Yup one piece isn’t dragon ball z they have actual considerations and responsibilities
Gotta weigh pros and cons

Exactly, I just wish people understood this instead of being so selective towards what they think supports them. Why would the Marines risk hurting themselves to take on Rayleigh when he's not a threat, when they have to deal with Whitebeard and his crew, which is huge and led by one of the strongest fighters with one of the most destructive devil fruits? Likewise, if the Yonkou were that much stronger, then why not take down admirals one by one if needed, and weaken the Marines?

 

[GL_Nova]

Okay this is fair that he was ill but again this might not be you but it’s an aside where folks hyped marineford as the strongest man in the world and owns the admirals , but he didn’t own them , just can’t have it both ways
And again for me king haki coating visibility is a new power or reveal

The fact that he shows up days after stopping his meds, and takes on all of the strongest Marines and doesn’t really start taking damage until he gets betrayed and backstabbed by a friend. He did more than live up to his hype.

Sorry, pocket posted.

 

[Hrathgrath]

Okay this is fair that he was ill but again this might not be you but it’s an aside where folks hyped marineford as the strongest man in the world and owns the admirals , but he didn’t own them , just can’t have it both ways
And again for me king haki coating visibility is a new power or reveal

Revealed to us, perhaps, but the recent chapter made it pretty clear that it wasn’t new to us. Really, all they did was give name and form to something we had seen before. WB v Roger WB v shanks Kaido v Big Mom All of those were shown to split the sky, which is apparently a sign of kings haki, according to Yamato. (If I remember right)

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

The fact that he shows up days after stopping his meds, and takes on all of the strongest Marines and doesn’t really start taking damage until he gets betrayed and backstabbed by a friend. He did more than live up to his hype.

Sorry, pocket posted.

the betrayal wasn’t the issue , his body was packing up
Back in the day even a friend couldn’t do that to whitebeard it wasn’t the Stan how can one stab slow down whitebeard when he he fought through losing half his face and having his organs melted , the betrayal wasn’t a big factor at all

 

[Hrathgrath]

the betrayal wasn’t the issue , his body was packing up
Back in the day even a friend couldn’t do that to whitebeard it wasn’t the Stan how can one stab slow down whitebeard when he he fought through losing half his face and having his organs melted , the betrayal wasn’t a big factor at all

Yes and no.. I mean it may not have been a deciding factor, but it definitely played a part. But you’re right, his health seems to have been the real reason for his defeat.

 

[albertwv]

WB was the WSM but I dont think who ever gave him that title took in consideration his failing health especially during MF. The Marines outnumbered and outmanuevered the WB pirates that gave them a huge upper hand. The WB Pirates were going to lose either way I acknowledge that, but for the Marines to pull all sorts of tricks and call for their best of best, shows how seriously dangerous 1 single Yonko crew is. Showing that Yonko does NOT equal Admiral.
WB was sick, he couldnt use his haki, he got stabbed in stomach, he then had a heart attack and that was when Akainu striked.

The Admirals were able to win their skirmishes vs the Yonko and his YCs because of handicaps.
WB vs Akainu, WB had a heart attack and Akainu took advantage
Kizaru vs Marco, Marco was distracted and got lazered, then recovered, then seastone handcuffed and lazered again
Aokiji vs Jozu, Jozu was distracted and got frozen quickly.

This led to the fall of the WB pirates, yet people want to ignore the handicaps that the admirals took advantage and were able to damage their opponents.
Give me a healthy WB 1v1 Akainu, and WB wouldnt lose his face.

 

[kkck]

I think it's fair to hold against jozu the way he got frozen but yeah, in slightly different circumstances he probably could have at least hold of aokiji much longer...

Also, as I've said before, the real context of the war is that it was in general absurdly unfavorable towards the WB pirates. Since it was the WB pirates who were invading a massively fortified marine base that was fully expecting them. The marines set up the stage to be an uphill battle of attrition. Heck, the WB pirates even got insanely lucky that they were able to pretty much bullshit their way right into the middle of the marineford bay and not have to deal with the battleships that were stationed outside of it. And even then it was right in the middle of a trap where they were encircled by massive indestructible walls that were firing on them non stop.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

WB was the WSM but I dont think who ever gave him that title took in consideration his failing health especially during MF. The Marines outnumbered and outmanuevered the WB pirates that gave them a huge upper hand. The WB Pirates were going to lose either way I acknowledge that, but for the Marines to pull all sorts of tricks and call for their best of best, shows how seriously dangerous 1 single Yonko crew is. Showing that Yonko does NOT equal Admiral.
WB was sick, he couldnt use his haki, he got stabbed in stomach, he then had a heart attack and that was when Akainu striked.

The Admirals were able to win their skirmishes vs the Yonko and his YCs because of handicaps.
WB vs Akainu, WB had a heart attack and Akainu took advantage
Kizaru vs Marco, Marco was distracted and got lazered, then recovered, then seastone handcuffed and lazered again
Aokiji vs Jozu, Jozu was distracted and got frozen quickly.

This led to the fall of the WB pirates, yet people want to ignore the handicaps that the admirals took advantage and were able to damage their opponents.
Give me a healthy WB 1v1 Akainu, and WB wouldnt lose his face.

The yonkou are powerful it’s best not to underestimate your enemy regardless
wow a military force using tactics and preparing well for their enemy to corner them head on ? That’s what a military force is exactly supposed to do , strategize counteract to minimize losses to destroy in the most effecient manner possible , like I’ve said this isn’t dragon ball, this was a war and a military excercise
Healthy WB , like the wb ace first encountered and you’re right

Yes and no.. I mean it may not have been a deciding factor, but it definitely played a part. But you’re right, his health seems to have been the real reason for his defeat.

One stab being able to take down a yonkou isn’t possible if they’re in good health considering what we’ve seen from kaido big mum heck even the likes of Zoro luffy doffy law and the rest

 

[Ellenate]

a military force using tactics and preparing well for their enemy to corner them head on ? That’s what a military force is exactly supposed to do , strategize counteract to minimize losses to destroy in the most effecient manner possible ,

In a world were fishmen exist, i think they dropped the ball pretty hard. They had zero underwater detection...

like I’ve said this isn’t dragon ball, this was a war and a military excercise

The world's strongest man goes off his meds before a big figth?

Oda stole it from goku in the cell saga.


toriyama: "you're damn right it's not dragon ball- that man is a thief!"
oda: "i am."

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WB was the WSM but I dont think who ever gave him that title took in consideration his failing health especially during MF.

devil's advocate, even sick...

He'd level the place without ace held hostage.

If his title was based solely on the tremor-tremor, it makes sense he'd keep it, even if unable to use haki.

 

[albertwv]

The yonkou are powerful it’s best not to underestimate your enemy regardless
wow a military force using tactics and preparing well for their enemy to corner them head on ? That’s what a military force is exactly supposed to do , strategize counteract to minimize losses to destroy in the most effecient manner possible , like I’ve said this isn’t dragon ball, this was a war and a military excercise
Healthy WB , like the wb ace first encountered and you’re right

You're in a power level discussion so yeah this is like Dragon Ball Z, We're trying to discuss who is stronger than who. No shame in the military doing whatever they can to protect themselves with the best outcome. This just shows how serious of a power threat WB and his crew was to the Navy. Which makes me believe if all 4 Yonko and their crews combined forces, the Navy would not stand a chance.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

You're in a power level discussion so yeah this is like Dragon Ball Z, We're trying to discuss who is stronger than who. No shame in the military doing whatever they can to protect themselves with the best outcome. This just shows how serious of a power threat WB and his crew was to the Navy. Which makes me believe if all 4 Yonko and their crews combined forces, the Navy would not stand a chance.

At marineford the navy kinda held up with nearly 2 yonkou forces with no issues , I could see them fighting 2/3 yonkous if the shichibukai behave
Cause for me the Blackbeard pirates + impel down reinforcements are an extremely formidable fighting force
It was consistently pretty much one sided the entire marineford war , marines never were on the back foot no matter who arrived

 

[LaGOAT]

@Lord Traffy Law jozu was off guard and aokiji took advantage of that. 2. Akainu vs wb was a good fight like every1 had said wb was sick but was able to go toe to toe with WB. 3.current akainu is probably yonko lvl anyways I always said I believe he above admiral lvl same with garp and sengoku.
Again although we know that Marco and jozu was able to stallmate an an admiral I don’t think they are on their level.

 

[albertwv]

At marineford the navy kinda held up with nearly 2 yonkou forces with no issues , I could see them fighting 2/3 yonkous if the shichibukai behave
Cause for me the Blackbeard pirates + impel down reinforcements are an extremely formidable fighting force
It was consistently pretty much one sided the entire marineford war , marines never were on the back foot no matter who arrived

BB Pirates were not considered or near Yonko level, also it was not a combination of WBP & BBP full force vs the Marines.
Look what happened when Shanks showed up and blocked Akainu. Nobody stepped up not BB, not Sengoku, not Akainu, not even Mihawk.
If it was the start of the war with WB & Shanks leading their crews from the front, Navy HQ would be decimated even Sengoku and Garp would not be able to stop them I believe so.

 

[LaGOAT]

Appreciate it.



Exactly, I just wish people understood this instead of being so selective towards what they think supports them. Why would the Marines risk hurting themselves to take on Rayleigh when he's not a threat, when they have to deal with Whitebeard and his crew, which is huge and led by one of the strongest fighters with one of the most destructive devil fruits? Likewise, if the Yonkou were that much stronger, then why not take down admirals one by one if needed, and weaken the Marines?

Because marines have other allies like schibukai,CP0,etc
we also talking about 1v1 a yonko>an admiral

 

[albertwv]

@Lord Traffy Law jozu was off guard and aokiji took advantage of that. 2. Akainu vs wb was a good fight like every1 had said wb was sick but was able to go toe to toe with WB. 3.current akainu is probably yonko lvl anyways I always said I believe he above admiral lvl same with garp and sengoku.
Again although we know that Marco and jozu was able to stallmate an an admiral I don’t think they are on their level.

I agree with you except current Akainu being Yonko level.
Why do people believe that since Akainu was promoted to FA he has grown stronger. Until Oda explicilty states that, I will stand firm that Akainu is still the same level he was in MF.
FA is not necessarily a position of strength. Also most characters when they hit a certain age or time in the story, they do not get a power up unless obviously the author states it or wants them to.

Like I wouldnt believe Lucci had gotten a power up since in most cases, enemies who were defeated once especially major arc villains, they do not return and get stronger, usually. Crocodile was a special deal. But it seems Lucci got stronger since he was able to join CP0 which I believe are the strongest WG agents, right below Admirals.

 

[M3J]

BB Pirates were not considered or near Yonko level, also it was not a combination of WBP & BBP full force vs the Marines.
Look what happened when Shanks showed up and blocked Akainu. Nobody stepped up not BB, not Sengoku, not Akainu, not even Mihawk.
If it was the start of the war with WB & Shanks leading their crews from the front, Navy HQ would be decimated even Sengoku and Garp would not be able to stop them I believe so.

Why bring up Mihawk when he never cared to fight Shanks in the first place? But the Marines would not be able to survive two emperors joining together to take them on, this much I agree on.

But yeah, the Blackbeard pirates were a third force and turned it into Blackbeard pirates vs. Whitebeard pirates and allies vs. Marines.

Though I suppose the main difference is that Shanks wanted peace and to stop fighting, while Blackbeard wanted to continue fighting and was willing to take on anyone.

Because marines have other allies like schibukai,CP0,etc
we also talking about 1v1 a yonko>an admiral

So am I, and so far none of the emperor has ever made an effort. Says a lot.

 

[GL_Nova]

the betrayal wasn’t the issue , his body was packing up
Back in the day even a friend couldn’t do that to whitebeard it wasn’t the Stan how can one stab slow down whitebeard when he he fought through losing half his face and having his organs melted , the betrayal wasn’t a big factor at all

Did any of them touch him before the gaping hole in the chest.