One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Ricko]

I don't think CoC is so essential to be an endgame fighter.

We don't even know if Garp have it too, but he could rival the Roger who could coat his sword with it.

In a fight there is many mastery that can change the tide of a battle
- Mastery of basic haki
- Mastery of advanced haki
- Pure strength
- Mastery of devil fruit
- Combat skill
- Stamina

Garp may reach the top fighter tier just because his mastery of basic haki and his immense strength.
That guy can destroy mountain and lift a giganstic iron ball, just by his physical strength... I don't think he even need a devil fruit or CoC coating to destroy Kaido....

We know that King Elizabello II can be a threat to even a Yonkou (rumor) just because of his strong, without any haki.
And Bobby Funk natural body can resist to even a low rank haki user blow, but loose to Saï combat skill.

I think the admiral are all rounder with great mastery of devil fruit.

We all agree that a knife is weaker than a gun, but the top knife throwing guy could kill any noob with a gun easily.
I think Oda have the same logic.

Zorro may never have CoC, Like Mihawk, but to turn a black blade may be the symbol of a top level mastery of Basic armement.
And that may be enough to fight with CoC coating fighter and great resilient opponent.

 

[Zehahaha]

I don't think CoC is so essential to be an endgame fighter.

In my opinion, Garp has it. So far, it seems CoC is also a bit of hereditary trait. When Luffy used it in Marineford, Garp was like "oh so you have it too". This can be interpreted many ways tbf, but I do interpret as him saying that Luffy has CoC similar to him and Dragon.

 

[Ricko]

In my opinion, Garp has it. So far, it seems CoC is also a bit of hereditary trait. When Luffy used it in Marineford, Garp was like "oh so you have it too". This can be interpreted many ways tbf, but I do interpret as him saying that Luffy has CoC similar to him and Dragon.

Difficult to say, any top level fighter know about CoC without have it, even Doflamingo's officer can recognize his manifestation in a fight.
Garp doesn't have the behaviour of CoC user, this guy don't give a shit of anything and have zero ambition... I don't think he got it.

 

[grey matter]

Luffy wasn’t comfortably above cracker at all
Stamina physical strength and DF mastery they were at par , heck luffy spent the fight running and coming back and needed assistance from nami to win
He’s considerably more poweful than cracker in regards to durability that’s it

I rewatched the fight.

It was harder for Luffy than I remembered. But just when Luffy was about to land a blow and defeat him, he ran out of the G4 timelimit

A lot of his G4 time was wasted in trying to figure out Cracker's ability
With intel, G4 Luffy at the beginning of WCI would mid-high diff Cracker, he wouldn't need a R2 of G4

Still, the overall point I was making stands.
Luffy at the beginning of the WCI was above YC3. He was basically YC2-3, yet he got low diff'd by a YC1. There is a big gap between YC3 and YC1
YC1 low diffs YC3, and probably mid-high diffs YC2

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Of the former Admirals we know, only Sengoku has CoC. I don't see any reason to assume the others do.

Garp was offered admiral position and rejected. He too likely has conqueror's haki, it's implied that conqueror's haki has some genetic component to it. With Garp commenting something along the lines of "of course he also has it", which has some implications if you wanna go that route

So, there was a former admiral having conqueror's (Sengoku), and another one who was offered the position probably having it (Garp)

It wouldn't be surprising at all to have one of the admirals having conqueror's haki as well. We'll see in the future.

 

[AmitDS]

I'm a Sanji person, but come on: Kaku had way better technique and was way more threatening than Jab

Disagree. Jabra's rokushiki techniques with his carnivorous zoan were far more impressive than Kaku's (but I guess Oda just wanted Kaku to focus on his "sword" techniques cuz you know... Zoro). Jabra being Kaku-levelled shouldn't be up for debate though, cuz their doriki is only 20 pts different (which is a measure of their physical power and their rokushiki). What I am pointing out is that Sanji handled Jabra better than Zoro handled Kaku, which funny enough is repeating here with Queen and King thus far.

I'm not getting into a Zoro vs. Sanji or proxy war here so one last thing:
Sanji dominated Queen in the latest chapter with Hell's Memories so does this mean that Sanji and by extension, Zoro, will shoot up to YC level now?

 

[Fox666]

Garp was offered admiral position and rejected. He too likely has conqueror's haki, it's implied that conqueror's haki has some genetic component to it. With Garp commenting something along the lines of "of course he also has it", which has some implications if you wanna go that route

So, there was a former admiral having conqueror's (Sengoku), and another one who was offered the position probably having it (Garp)

It wouldn't be surprising at all to have one of the admirals having conqueror's haki as well. We'll see in the future.

I would argue the opposite, Garp is clearly not CoC material. He does not have the "disposition of a king". Garp settled for a lesser position in the Marines so he could slack off.

If Luffy was a Marine, he would without a doubt aim to the top. If Garp was a pirate, he would form an alliance with one of the Emperors and settle for that.

Personality-wise, the same probably goes for Aokiji or Kizaru. Dunno about Akainu.

 

[Ricko]

Aikainu must have certainly CoC, he's ambitious, at the head of the marines and Oda claimed that if he was a pirate he would be Pirate King within a year... That 100% disposition of a king material.

 

[grey matter]

I would argue the opposite, Garp is clearly not CoC material. He does not have the "disposition of a king". Garp settled for a lesser position in the Marines so he could slack off.

If Luffy was a Marine, he would without a doubt aim to the top. If Garp was a pirate, he would form an alliance with one of the Emperors and settle for that.

Personality-wise, the same probably goes for Aokiji or Kizaru. Dunno about Akainu.

Garp rejected the position because of tenryubito. He might have been ambitious before. I doubt someone can reach Roger/WB level without conquerors.
And again, Garp almost expected Luffy to have it, and it's hinted in the series that conquerors haki has some genetic component to it

Akainu most likely have conquerors given his demeanor

 

[albertwv]

So far only Sengoku, who to me doesnt seem to have any ambition is the only admiral to have COC. I think Garp has it because he is Luffy's grandfather and it does seem hereditary, Dragon may also have it. WB had it but did he have any ambition? His ultimate goal was to have a family not be PK.
But somebody was right about Split Sky attack may only be reserved to those who have COC with Advance CoA, the admirals have yet to show us that they have COO.
Yet that doesnt we should knock down the admirals for it.

I can imagine that Queen will not be that much fazed by this attack, just like every other kick Sanji has dealt to Queen.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

I rewatched the fight.

It was harder for Luffy than I remembered. But just when Luffy was about to land a blow and defeat him, he ran out of the G4 timelimit

A lot of his G4 time was wasted in trying to figure out Cracker's ability
With intel, G4 Luffy at the beginning of WCI would mid-high diff Cracker, he wouldn't need a R2 of G4

Still, the overall point I was making stands.
Luffy at the beginning of the WCI was above YC3. He was basically YC2-3, yet he got low diff'd by a YC1. There is a big gap between YC3 and YC1
YC1 low diffs YC3, and probably mid-high diffs YC2

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 6, 2021, Original Post Date: Nov 6, 2021 ---

Garp was offered admiral position and rejected. He too likely has conqueror's haki, it's implied that conqueror's haki has some genetic component to it. With Garp commenting something along the lines of "of course he also has it", which has some implications if you wanna go that route

So, there was a former admiral having conqueror's (Sengoku), and another one who was offered the position probably having it (Garp)

It wouldn't be surprising at all to have one of the admirals having conqueror's haki as well. We'll see in the future.

With intel it wouldn’t make a difference if it was solo cause luffy doesn’t produce water on his own at all
He needs nami to counter if not he probably loses cause he needs to soften his biscuits to make it eatable and even with those he had to keep running and running

 

[grey matter]

With intel it wouldn’t make a difference if it was solo cause luffy doesn’t produce water on his own at all
He needs nami to counter if not he probably loses cause he needs to soften his biscuits to make it eatable and even with those he had to keep running and running

No, rewatch the fight. Luffy almost solo'd him, and ran out of G4 just before he landed the blow in R1

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

I would argue the opposite, Garp is clearly not CoC material. He does not have the "disposition of a king". Garp settled for a lesser position in the Marines so he could slack off.

If Luffy was a Marine, he would without a doubt aim to the top. If Garp was a pirate, he would form an alliance with one of the Emperors and settle for that.

Personality-wise, the same probably goes for Aokiji or Kizaru. Dunno about Akainu.

Garp rejected the position because of tenryubito. He might have been ambitious before. I doubt someone can reach Roger/WB level without conquerors.
And again, Garp almost expected Luffy to have it, and it's hinted in the series that conquerors haki has some genetic component to it

Akainu most likely have conquerors given his demeanor

I’d counter that Garp rejecting admiral to be free and not be under tenryubito is proof that he might have the conquerors streak in him he didn’t want to beholden to no one and wanted to do his own thing
Luffy and garp are very similar , I think garp wanted to be an admiral but being under the celestial dragons thumb didn’t sit well with them , that’s a kingly thing, he wanted to retain autonomy to do what he wants , luffy would likely have the same issue

garp is very carefree like luffy we’ve not yet gotten an explanation of what his justice is, for him to be the nemesis of rocks and rival to roger and then partner of Sengoku it just feels odd that he doesn’t have COC

 

[M3J]

Wasn't Zoro doing better against King this chapter though?

 

[grey matter]

Wasn't Zoro doing better against King this chapter though?

I think what they mean is that Zoro is kinda stalemating King. While Sanji seems to be overwhelming Queen. So, Snaji is relatively doing better.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I just got to say there has been virtually no big gaps in power between Sanji, Zoro, King, or Queen. In a free for all it seems like it's anyone's game... which is how it should be.

 

[grey matter]

I just got to say there has been virtually no big gaps in power between Sanji, Zoro, King, or Queen. In a free for all it seems like it's anyone's game... which is how it should be.

No
YC1 always > YC2

Claims that there is no gap between Zoro and Sanji is as delusional as the claims that there is no gap between Zoro and Luffy. Like Luffy has been above Zoro since day 1, Zoro has been above Sanji since day 1

I think saying "which is how I want it to be", might be more accurate lol

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Oops, I missed the "big" part lol

My bad.

Debatable.

 

[Pirate Queen]

No
YC1 always > YC2

Claims that there is no gap between Zoro and Sanji is as delusional as the claims that there is no gap between Zoro and Luffy. Like Luffy has been above Zoro since day 1, Zoro has been above Sanji since day 1

I think saying "which is how I want it to be", might be more accurate lol

If you actually read what I wrote "No BIG gaps"

Yes Yc1>Yc2, but going off what we are currently seeing, nothing is puting King on an entirely different level than Queen. And as for Zoro and Sanji, the gap was drastically closed with Sanji's latest Awakening. Zoro still stronger but not by much at all

 

[grey matter]

If you actually read what I wrote "No BIG gaps"

Yes Yc1>Yc2, but going off what we are currently seeing, nothing is puting King on an entirely different level than Queen. And as for Zoro and Sanji, the gap was drastically closed with Sanji's latest Awakening. Zoro still stronger but not by much at all

You replied too early lol. I recognized it and replied again

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 7, 2021, Original Post Date: Nov 7, 2021 ---

If you actually read what I wrote "No BIG gaps"

Yes Yc1>Yc2, but going off what we are currently seeing, nothing is puting King on an entirely different level than Queen. And as for Zoro and Sanji, the gap was drastically closed with Sanji's latest Awakening. Zoro still stronger but not by much at all

Coming to the point.

I think King is a tier above Queen. He hasn't even used his hybrid form (unless that thing with wings is his hybrid form), and looks to be having edge against Zoro.
While Queen seems to be getting smacked by Sanji even in his hybrid form
IMO King mid- high diff Queen

But as of now, Zoro and Sanji are very close. The gap between them is the closest it has ever been, Sanji will give him high-extreme diff. Things might change here when the arc ends though, since Zoro is about to get a powerup if we're going by the usual pattern (Jabra/Sanji with Sanji getting powerup, then Kaku/Zoro with Zoro getting powerup)

 

[M3J]

I think what they mean is that Zoro is kinda stalemating King. While Sanji seems to be overwhelming Queen. So, Snaji is relatively doing better.

Oh I meant as in, Zoro's not running away or as defensive as he was few chapters ago.

 

[Fox666]

He hasn't even used his hybrid form (unless that thing with wings is his hybrid form)

King seems to be transforming partially like Marco. I think that's actually above the full hybrid form.