One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[Lord Traffy Law]

A couple of weeks ago we were discussing the level of CP0s, some said YC1 others admiral level.
After seeing them go after Apoo and Drake.... hmm I would say YC3-2

Apoo is YC4 level at best and Drake as well. I dont think Drake could defeat Jack so I place him as YC4

We have no confirmation for how strong X drake and apoo truly are , even when Zoro put apoo down , apoo was blind sided
They’ve both been placed with decently high regard In kaido crew , apoo wasn’t interested in taking charge but he’s the dude in charge of the numbers , that’s impressive . Numbers are the strongest dudes after the tobi roppo and he’s in charge , and with X drake he hasn’t gone all out and he’s probably hiding his strength and just being a spy and he’s high up in sword

 

[albertwv]

We have no confirmation for how strong X drake and apoo truly are , even when Zoro put apoo down , apoo was blind sided
They’ve both been placed with decently high regard In kaido crew , apoo wasn’t interested in taking charge but he’s the dude in charge of the numbers , that’s impressive . Numbers are the strongest dudes after the tobi roppo and he’s in charge , and with X drake he hasn’t gone all out and he’s probably hiding his strength and just being a spy and he’s high up in sword

Of course not but we know that F6 are below the Calamities even if they believe they can take them on (WW, Sasaki). We saw how poorly the F6 did and they were not YC3 level so, I dont think Drake much less Apoo are YC3.
Apoo being in charge of the Numbers doesnt mean anything. even the Nummbers have been disappointing.
I dont think Drake has been hiding his strength but either way I dont see him above Jack nonetheless.

Hyped for Rob Lucci (he was a masked one afterall), hopefully he faces Zoro (him fighting Luffy now makes little sense) and gives him a good fight. But that's just the fanboy in me being hopeful lol.
He did fight Sabo in the movie, if Oda had anything to do with it, might be suggestion that current Lucci has grown as well and is still a very strong fighter to face!

I think when Robin mentioned the Masked CP0s she was talking about the ones in Wano, not Lucci. I do not count Sabo vs Lucci, plus it was just one clash, I dont count movie fights even if Oda directs them. Most of the time its just a hype for the movie previews. We just see so and so clash and think its going to a great movie where we will see so and so fight (Zolo vs Fuji, Sabo vs Lucci, Sanji vs Crocodile, etc)

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Of course not but we know that F6 are below the Calamities even if they believe they can take them on (WW, Sasaki). We saw how poorly the F6 did and they were not YC3 level so, I dont think Drake much less Apoo are YC3.
Apoo being in charge of the Numbers doesnt mean anything. even the Nummbers have been disappointing.
I dont think Drake has been hiding his strength but either way I dont see him above Jack nonetheless.



I think when Robin mentioned the Masked CP0s she was talking about the ones in Wano, not Lucci. I do not count Sabo vs Lucci, plus it was just one clash, I dont count movie fights even if Oda directs them. Most of the time its just a hype for the movie previews. We just see so and so clash and think its going to a great movie where we will see so and so fight (Zolo vs Fuji, Sabo vs Lucci, Sanji vs Crocodile, etc)

I don’t think X drake been in a bad situation, even when he got cornered by Whos who , queen and Hawkins ( he’s mislead by who’s who and that’s how they get the drop on him , he was mad unawares ) , I think a sensible reaction by anyone would be to escape and ally up
I’ve just not seen anything that puts apoo and X drake as just tobi roppo level imo
Granted the numbers are underwhelming but the top 3 guys who are former samurais could be tough, and being the captain/commander of the 3rd strongest fighting force is still pretty significant
Remember Apoo and X drake are pretty much relatively new members , jack queen and king have been with Kaido for ages same with most of the tobi roppo minus who’s who.
we haven’t gotten a good situation to truly gauge the depths of their strength
And with X drake , the whole sword situation as well as him being a rear admiral 2 years prior to the timeskip and being in the know of the pacifistas , I think he’s more powerful and knowledgeable than he lets on
Oda keeping he and apoo for more

 

[AmitDS]

Spoiler

So about those Sanji spoilers...

 

[albertwv]

I don’t think X drake been in a bad situation, even when he got cornered by Whos who , queen and Hawkins ( he’s mislead by who’s who and that’s how they get the drop on him , he was mad unawares ) , I think a sensible reaction by anyone would be to escape and ally up
I’ve just not seen anything that puts apoo and X drake as just tobi roppo level imo
Granted the numbers are underwhelming but the top 3 guys who are former samurais could be tough, and being the captain/commander of the 3rd strongest fighting force is still pretty significant
Remember Apoo and X drake are pretty much relatively new members , jack queen and king have been with Kaido for ages same with most of the tobi roppo minus who’s who.
we haven’t gotten a good situation to truly gauge the depths of their strength
And with X drake , the whole sword situation as well as him being a rear admiral 2 years prior to the timeskip and being in the know of the pacifistas , I think he’s more powerful and knowledgeable than he lets on
Oda keeping he and apoo for more

Well they havent done anything that puts them above F6 level so that makes no sense. Apoo has been smashed down by Kid, Zolo, and CP0, with Zolo being the only to knock him out for awhile.
Drake hasnt done anything that puts him above F6 and since he was part of F6 then he is that level until proven otherwise. Being a Rear Admiral 2 years ago means nothing, if he was still in the Navy he would be a VA same as Vergo

I think you use too much headcannon, I am not trying to insult you but you claiming that Apoo is the captain/commander of the Numbers when it is NOT confirmed if that even is a thing, (could be true) AND claiming the remaining Numbers are the 'Top 3" and "former samurais" is headcannon/theories, seems rather headcannon. Let's try to stick with confirmed facts from the story not possible theories. Again do not take it the wrong way.

Spoiler

So about those Sanji spoilers...

I brought this up last week about talking about Spoilers in this discussion even if it talks about power levels. Could you please try to refrain yourself from bringing spoilers into this discussion? There is a Spoilers Thread, you could discuss it there, but if they do not allow Power Level Spoilers then just wait until the official release of the chapter so everyone has a chance to read them.

Reason why I do not like discussing Spoiler Power levels is because they are hidden through Spoiler tags, which is great, that means I won't see what you are talking about/spoiling, without a warning. My problem is, then it becomes a whole page of power level discussion HIDDEN through SPOILER tags and that just takes away the fun in discussing and anticipating for the new chapter to come out.

I like to wait every week for a new chapter and hold off from reading spoilers, if you can't and you enjoy reading spoilers, good for you.
If the whole page is covered in Spoiler Tags, because if one starts it someone else follows and keeps continuing the discussion hidden in spoiler tags. Then those who do NOT read Spoilers either miss out/feel left out unless they read the Spoiler. That is no fun.

Thank you reading my rant about Spoilers in this thread. Hopefully the moderators have an input.

 

[AmitDS]

I brought this up last week about talking about Spoilers in this discussion even if it talks about power levels. Could you please try to refrain yourself from bringing spoilers into this discussion? There is a Spoilers Thread, you could discuss it there, but if they do not allow Power Level Spoilers then just wait until the official release of the chapter so everyone has a chance to read them.

Reason why I do not like discussing Spoiler Power levels is because they are hidden through Spoiler tags, which is great, that means I won't see what you are talking about/spoiling, without a warning. My problem is, then it becomes a whole page of power level discussion HIDDEN through SPOILER tags and that just takes away the fun in discussing and anticipating for the new chapter to come out.

I like to wait every week for a new chapter and hold off from reading spoilers, if you can't and you enjoy reading spoilers, good for you.
If the whole page is covered in Spoiler Tags, because if one starts it someone else follows and keeps continuing the discussion hidden in spoiler tags. Then those who do NOT read Spoilers either miss out/feel left out unless they read the Spoiler. That is no fun.

Thank you reading my rant about Spoilers in this thread. Hopefully the moderators have an input.

It was a joke. My spoiler tag is empty. And besides that, the rule is to spoiler tag SPOILER info so it's not against any rule as far as I'm aware even if I was discussing anything.
If you don't read spoilers well that's your decision but to basically come and tell me and by extension anyone else who's using a forum feature that is allowed (spoiler tagging spoiler content) is coming across as entitlement don't you think?
The thing is, even if I had actual content in my tag, it's tagged. So you would have to open it of your own volition to read what's in it. So you're setting yourself up really. And even if it goes on to an entire page of SPOILER discussion, you don't have to participate or have any business in it because you choose not to read the spoilers. I don't think you have to be involved in every conversation "to have fun" now do you? I don't see the issue.
It's giving big "I don't read spoilers so you can't talk about those things until I'm ready" energy. And the funny thing is, I'm not even trying to discuss spoiler content in my post, it was to poke fun.

 

[grey matter]

I think when Robin mentioned the Masked CP0s she was talking about the ones in Wano, not Lucci. I do not count Sabo vs Lucci, plus it was just one clash, I dont count movie fights even if Oda directs them. Most of the time its just a hype for the movie previews. We just see so and so clash and think its going to a great movie where we will see so and so fight (Zolo vs Fuji, Sabo vs Lucci, Sanji vs Crocodile, etc)

Well, if she's talking about the ones in Wano only. Then I can hope for Lucci!

Cause the ones in Wano don't look that strong lol. I mean, they are like YC3-4, pretty good, but I had more expectation from the masked ones. Maybe there are others in the organization who are stronger

IDK, they are elite defence force of the Tenrubito. They have to be really strong IMO. At least a couple of YC1-2s, and one admiral tier (the boss)
Let's see what Oda does

 

[albertwv]

It was a joke. My spoiler tag is empty. And besides that, the rule is to spoiler tag SPOILER info so it's not against any rule as far as I'm aware even if I was discussing anything.
If you don't read spoilers well that's your decision but to basically come and tell me and by extension anyone else who's using a forum feature that is allowed (spoiler tagging spoiler content) is coming across as entitlement don't you think?
The thing is, even if I had actual content in my tag, it's tagged. So you would have to open it of your own volition to read what's in it. So you're setting yourself up really. And even if it goes on to an entire page of SPOILER discussion, you don't have to participate or have any business in it because you choose not to read the spoilers. I don't think you have to be involved in every conversation "to have fun" now do you? I don't see the issue.
It's giving big "I don't read spoilers so you can't talk about those things until I'm ready" energy. And the funny thing is, I'm not even trying to discuss spoiler content in my post, it was to poke fun.

You did it correctly by hiding the "would be" spoiler through a spoiler tag. I am not harping you on that. I didn't say you were breaking any rules on here, rather you actually are following them and that is great.

My problem is when people decide to speak about spoilers in this thread and now the whole page is covered in spoiler tags, that for someone like me and anyone else who don't read spoilers, cannot participate in the discussion because everyone else is talking about the spoilers.
The thing is, if you chose to discuss spoilers you should go to the Spoiler discussion thread, that is what the Spoilers are for not on this page.

Of course I do not have to participate in every conversation to "have fun" but then what is the point of this discussion thread if I cannot enjoy myself discussing topics.
I see it as rude to others when people have conversations hidden through spoiler tags, I see it as if I was in a group of people having a conversation and some people decide to speak in a foreign language in front of the group, excluding the ones who dont speak that foreign language from the conversation. IF they wish to continue their conversation in the foreign language, that is fine just go somewhere else privately not in the group making others feel left out. It is disrespectful.

You act like it is a bad thing that I do not want to read the spoilers and want people to not talk about them in this discussion. Should I not be able to participate in discussions because I refuse to read spoilers or should you just NOT bring up spoilers in this thread when you have a thread dedicated to spoilers.
Again, YOU are not breaking a rule. This is my ENTITLED opinion.

Well, if she's talking about the ones in Wano only. Then I can hope for Lucci!

Cause the ones in Wano don't look that strong lol. I mean, they are like YC3-4, pretty good, but I had more expectation from the masked ones. Maybe there are others in the organization who are stronger

IDK, they are elite defence force of the Tenrubito. They have to be really strong IMO. At least a couple of YC1-2s, and one admiral tier (the boss)
Let's see what Oda does

I don't know I think those CP0 agents look strong as hell compared to the ones Lucci was with during the phone call. I'm simply not interested in seeing Lucci or Kaku fight, even Stussy.
Did you read Bleach? In that manga, there was the Royal Guard who were only 5 of them protecting the Royal family and it was said that they were stronger than all of the Gotei 13 Captains. Imagine if CP0 were stronger than the whole Navy including the Admirals. That would be a great twist to the story LOL

 

[XXGenesis]

Spoiler

I think Sanji just finished Queen Off. CoA training + Germa Augmentation [\SPOILER]

 

[AmitDS]

You act like it is a bad thing that I do not want to read the spoilers and want people to not talk about them in this discussion.

I literally said that reading spoilers is up to whatever a person wants to do, I never said or implied that but in my case, I was following forum rules so idk why you're trying to check me while agreeing that I did not break the rule.

Should I not be able to participate in discussions because I refuse to read spoilers

Um... You shouldn't if the discussion is about said spoiler content.

or should you just NOT bring up spoilers in this thread when you have a thread dedicated to spoilers.

Again, my spoiler tag wasn't a spoiler. And if memory serves, funny enough, because we were discussing spoiler-related power scaling in the Chapter Spoiler Thread a few weeks ago, the mods actually moved those SPOILER posts here so it's not like this is a new, unprecedented occurrence.
This is my last reply on this matter but I'd just like to say the hilarious thing about this entire exchange is because you created a fuss about my use of a NON-spoiler spoiler tag, I'm seeing someone actually posting real spoilers in the thread lmao

 

[XXGenesis]

Ya happy With Sanji’s fight, development & new found resolution as a fighter??

I’m personally impressed with his showings on the Live Floor before his Germa Genes are activated**Lml I told ya they would**lol. Sanji preformed pretty well up till then. & afterwards he definitely led most of the fight.

His Germa power up includes…Exoskelton with a Strength & speed boost. Wish he kept the suit, I like the custome design, fav part are the boots xD with those little round thingies lol any who’s. That was some decent YC2 showings.

 

[grey matter]

Where do you guys put peak Moria at?

I think the fact that he was regarded as Kaido's rival back in the days, plus him clashing with Kaido like an year before Kaido vs Oden suggests he was at solid admiral level.

 

[XXGenesis]

Where do you guys put peak Moria at?

I think the fact that he was regarded as Kaido's rival back in the days, plus him clashing with Kaido like an year before Kaido vs Oden suggests he was at solid admiral level.

That’s a really generous speculation.

I say He was commander lv, & used shadows to boost him up, or maybe even used Shadows to boost him up to commander lv.

Moria was defeated by a Buff’d Luffy.
We later see him clash against Jimbei & Doffy & was on the losing end. But those warlords are also commander lv; So I think he was around YC2 at best….He lost to an emperor & was sent packing out the NW; he wasn’t that much of a big shot

 

[grey matter]

That’s a really generous speculation.

I say He was commander lv, & used shadows to boost him up, or maybe even used Shadows to boost him up to commander lv.

Moria was defeated by a Buff’d Luffy.
We later see him clash against Jimbei & Doffy & was on the losing end. But those warlords are also commander lv; So I think he was around YC2 at best….He lost to an emperor & was sent packing out the NW; he wasn’t that much of a big shot

Luffy faced a Moria who had his will crushed and did nothing but loaf around for 20+ years.
20 years can make a lot of diffierence. Look at Shiki lol, went from Yonko level to losing to pretimeskip Straawhats.


Peak Moria of 20 years ago was regarded as a serious rival to Kaido; and in the small skirmish we were shown in anime, was evenly clashing with Kaido.
The clash was prominent enough to be mentioned as one of the highlights of the 5 years Oden waited

 

[XXGenesis]

20years is a long time. Hmm I’m starting to understand where your coming from..

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Where do you guys put peak Moria at?

I think the fact that he was regarded as Kaido's rival back in the days, plus him clashing with Kaido like an year before Kaido vs Oden suggests he was at solid admiral level.

That’s a really generous speculation.

I say He was commander lv, & used shadows to boost him up, or maybe even used Shadows to boost him up to commander lv.

Moria was defeated by a Buff’d Luffy.
We later see him clash against Jimbei & Doffy & was on the losing end. But those warlords are also commander lv; So I think he was around YC2 at best….He lost to an emperor & was sent packing out the NW; he wasn’t that much of a big shot

Luffy faced a Moria who had his will crushed and did nothing but loaf around for 20+ years.
20 years can make a lot of diffierence. Look at Shiki lol, went from Yonko level to losing to pretimeskip Straawhats.


Peak Moria of 20 years ago was regarded as a serious rival to Kaido; and in the small skirmish we were shown in anime, was evenly clashing with Kaido.
The clash was prominent enough to be mentioned as one of the highlights of the 5 years Oden waited

i'd say ,moriah was anywhere from yc2+ to yc1+ level
moriah physical abilities declined seriously his body , will and body fell off seriously , spent 20 years sitting on his ass
shiki wad kinfa plot cause he legit toyed with the monster trio and suddenly lost to them, which i don't mind but still

 

[grey matter]

i'd say ,moriah was anywhere from yc2+ to yc1+ level
moriah physical abilities declined seriously his body , will and body fell off seriously , spent 20 years sitting on his ass
shiki wad kinfa plot cause he legit toyed with the monster trio and suddenly lost to them, which i don't mind but still

He's YC1+ at minimum.
You don't get considered a serious rival to Kaido and be below anything below that level.

Kaido actually looked like having fun in his clash with Moria, which wouldn't be the case if he was someone far below his level.

Kaido, even back then (37/38 years old), was close to his peak if not actually in his peak.

I can't imagine anyone being a challenge to him be below admiral level.

As for Shiki, if he was actually anywhere close to his peak, he can just stay put and extert his haki. The pretimeskip monster trio can keep attacking him and they will eventually tire themselves out lmao
The dude was at best Yonko executive tier, by the time he fought the strawhats. Kinda shows the insane PL difference 20 years can bring, especially when you're loafing around like Shiki or Moria

 

[BoyNextDoor]

i dunno about moria. cause like look at rayleigh. he was retired since rogers death i guess and he was still a beast 20 years later right?

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wasnt he also heavy on the booze too?

 

[grey matter]

i dunno about moria. cause like look at rayleigh. he was retired since rogers death i guess and he was still a beast 20 years later right?

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wasnt he also heavy on the booze too?

Rayleigh never stopped training. Look at him, he's still jacked. He also randomly swims across seas to amazon island lmao.
He was certainly weakened, but that's moreso due to old age. He was still solid admiral tier even after weakening to old age. Rayleigh in this regard, is similar to Garp is (Garp is no longer upper Yonko/PK tier, even though he is still very strong)

Drinking lots of booze is pretty standard in OP world lol, I doubt it would do anything

While Moria went from being jacked AF, to some fatfuck lmao.
I think it was explicitly even mentioned that he was completely shattered cause almost all of his crewmates got killed, and lost his will.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Can you guys help me out.

Who do you think is more durable. As in "can take the most damage" and if you can rank them.

Jozu, Sanji, Cracker(Biscuits), Mr. 1, Katakuri

Haki is not allowed in your ranking. This is base durability. And latest showings as of 1034