One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[grey matter]

Marineford feats his past and current fe from the past and when he joins the crew. The dude mid diff who’s who

i know sanji>jinbei what I mean they are in the same tier.

why do u think jinbei can’t beat jack?

I went and rewatched Jinbe vs BM

Yeah, you're right, Jinbe > Jack. He would still lose to Doflamingo tho due to matchup (in land).

IMO Jinbe is YC3+, who can operate at YC2+ level when he's in ocean

I don't think Sanji can mid diff him anymore. I suppose Sanji wins mid-high diff in land, and extreme diff in mixed (land-water) landscape

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

With the new power-ups, how would rank the pirates of the alliance and the Supernova currently on Onigashima?

 

[grey matter]

With the new power-ups, how would rank the pirates of the alliance and the Supernova currently on Onigashima?

My list:

1. Luffy
2. Law
3. Marco
4. Kid
5. Zoro
6. Yamato
7. Sanji
8. Sulong Cat/Dog
9. Kyoshiro
10. Jinbe
11. Shutenmaru
12. Killer
13. Base Cat/Dog
14. X Drake
15. Kin'emon
16. Kawamatsu
17. Izo
18. Kikunojo
19. Raizo
20. Franky

 

[LaGOAT]

Off of what basis?
Besides the fact that he blocked BM's sword swing and pushed her, that was amazing feat no lie. But I dont think that is YC2 level.
He doesnt have strong feats to place him above Cracker or DD or even Jack.
Besides the fact that Crackers weakness is water, how can Jimbei counter Crackers endless army? Luffy got lucky he had Nami around if not he probably would not have won that battle.

DD shows way better feats than Jimbei, I dont see how Jimbei would counter the strings or be fast enough to strike DD. Also DD is a flyer and Jimbei isnt so DD could do aerial attacks.

Jack, well he seems to be a tank and Jimbei doesnt.

I went and rewatched Jinbe vs BM

Yeah, you're right, Jinbe > Jack. He would still lose to Doflamingo tho due to matchup (in land).

IMO Jinbe is YC3+, who can operate at YC2+ level when he's in ocean

I don't think Sanji can mid diff him anymore. I suppose Sanji wins mid-high diff in land, and extreme diff in mixed (land-water) landscape

Ya man jinbei is just underrated there is a reason why he join later to the crew oda kinda understood that jinbei is too strong to overtake the monster trio hence why he let him at the raid.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

With the new power-ups, how would rank the pirates of the alliance and the Supernova currently on Onigashima?

Luffy
Marco
Law/Yamato/Zoro ( Zoro aCOC powerup is such Bs lmaooo more folks need to have issues with it )
Kidd
Sanji
Jinbei
Suulong inu and neko
Killer/X drake/Apoo
Ashura doji
Denjiro
Kawamatsu
Franky
Robin

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

My list:

1. Luffy
2. Law
3. Marco
4. Kid
5. Zoro
6. Yamato
7. Sanji
8. Sulong Cat/Dog
9. Kyoshiro
10. Jinbe
11. Shutenmaru
12. Killer
13. Base Cat/Dog
14. X Drake
15. Kin'emon
16. Kawamatsu
17. Izo
18. Kikunojo
19. Raizo
20. Franky

Only the pirates and supernova not the samurai.
And Law this high?? Above Yamato when she 1v1 Kaido for hours while the latter struggles in a 2v1 against BM?

 

[Fox666]

With the new power-ups, how would rank the pirates of the alliance and the Supernova currently on Onigashima?

1 - Luffy

2 - Law, Kid and Yamato (can hold their own against the Emperors)

3 - Marco (took on both King and Queen for a while)

4 - Zoro and Sanji

5 - Jinbe, Killer, Hawkins, Drake, Apoo, Nekomamushi, Inuarashi, Ashura Douji, Kyoshiro

 

[grey matter]

Only the pirates and supernova not the samurai.
And Law this high?? Above Yamato when she 1v1 Kaido for hours while the latter struggles in a 2v1 against BM?

Law is broken within his tier, I don't think we need any explanation regarding this lol.
Law and Kid have forced BM to go beyond her limits. Law + Kid collectively are Yonko tier. And Law was not only holding himself alone, but making up for the dead weight of Kid during the period of Killer vs Hawkins.

Yamato fought a Kaido who was never going to kill her to begin with, and was continuously trying to talk her out of fighting him. Kaido was just gonna beat her up as usual.
And she didn't fight him for hours.

Luffy
Marco
Law/Yamato/Zoro ( Zoro aCOC powerup is such Bs lmaooo more folks need to have issues with it )
Kidd
Sanji
Jinbei
Suulong inu and neko
Killer/X drake/Apoo
Ashura doji
Denjiro
Kawamatsu
Franky
Robin

What puts Jinbe above Sulong Dog/Cat?
Sulong >> base, and their base itself is YC3 tier. Sulong Cat/Dog are borderline YC1


People have issues with Zoro's advanced conq (you know I do lol, I've probably made more than 10 posts saying it's BS), it's just that this is nothing new in the raid where BS/asspull is kinda staple lmao.
There is Luffy suddenly tussling with hybrid Kaido in his base while base Kaido can blitz G4 Luffy (adv conq can only increase damage output, not combat speed or strength), Sanji's abrupt exoskeleton stuff and destruction of RS, Jinbe going from getting overwhelmed to instantly smacking WW with no explanation, Law jumping from getting stomped by Doffy to being YC1+ etc

 

[Crimson Ice]

With the new power-ups, how would rank the pirates of the alliance and the Supernova currently on Onigashima?

1. Luffy
2. Yamato
3. Law/Kidd
4. Marco
5. Zoro
6. Sanji
7. Sulong Inu/Neku
8. Killer
9. Jinbei
10. Doji/Denjiro
11. I can't be bothered to name anyone else.

Edit: FORGOT MARCO.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Law is broken within his tier, I don't think we need any explanation regarding this lol.
Law and Kid have forced BM to go beyond her limits. Law + Kid collectively are Yonko tier. And Law was not only holding himself alone, but making up for the dead weight of Kid during the period of Killer vs Hawkins.

Yamato fought a Kaido who was never going to kill her to begin with, and was continuously trying to talk her out of fighting him. Kaido was just gonna beat her up as usual.
And she didn't fight him for hours.




What puts Jinbe above Sulong Dog/Cat?
Sulong >> base, and their base itself is YC3 tier. Sulong Cat/Dog are borderline YC1


People have issues with Zoro's advanced conq (you know I do lol, I've probably made more than 10 posts saying it's BS), it's just that this is nothing new in the raid where BS/asspull is kinda staple lmao.
There is Luffy suddenly tussling with hybrid Kaido in his base while base Kaido can blitz G4 Luffy (adv conq can only increase damage output, not combat speed or strength), Sanji's abrupt exoskeleton stuff and destruction of RS, Jinbe going from getting overwhelmed to instantly smacking WW with no explanation, Law jumping from getting stomped by Doffy to being YC1+ etc

i think kaido is super word down that's explainable
sanji's genes at least you can somewhat explain it
jinbei wasn't getting overwhelmed tbf , it was a tie somewhat , who's who had the numbers advantage as his subordinates were helping out, jinbei just went all out more
law getting stomped by doffy again happened 200 chapters, he's had gotten much much stronger in that time,he's essentially a protagonist ,luffy and the starawhats progressed a lot in 200 chapters.

 

[Fox666]

Yamato is not stronger than Law or Kid because he fought Kaido 1-on-1.

Law and Kid are going to take down an Emperor together, Yamato is not taking down an Emperor alone.

law getting stomped by doffy again happened 200 chapters, he's had gotten much much stronger in that time

I think that Law surpassing Doflamingo by this point couldn't be more obvious.

Doflamingo was shitting his pants when he tought of angering Kaido. Then look what Law did to Kaido or Big Mom.

Law is not just stronger than Doflamingo now, there's an abyss between them.

 

[Ero-Sanji]

1 - Luffy

2 - Law, Kid and Yamato (can hold their own against the Emperors)

3 - Marco (took on both King and Queen for a while)

4 - Zoro and Sanji

5 - Jinbe, Killer, Hawkins, Drake, Apoo, Nekomamushi, Inuarashi, Ashura Douji, Kyoshiro

Killer toyed with Hawkins and tanked several attackes from the Yonko. Nah, he's at Zoro and Sanji's level. Other than that I agree.

 

[grey matter]

i think kaido is super word down that's explainable
sanji's genes at least you can somewhat explain it
jinbei wasn't getting overwhelmed tbf , it was a tie somewhat , who's who had the numbers advantage as his subordinates were helping out, jinbei just went all out more
law getting stomped by doffy again happened 200 chapters, he's had gotten much much stronger in that time,he's essentially a protagonist ,luffy and the starawhats progressed a lot in 200 chapters.

Still dude, there is a limit. Like, Doflamingo could blitz base Luffy and was faster than G2 Luffy, while G4 Luffy was faster than Doflamingo - this is the CQC/speed difference we are talking about. Next is strength, G4 Luffy >>> base Luffy in raw power, no explanation needed. Let's even say Kaido is at 20%, he should still be able to EASILY blitz base Luffy. And should be much stronger than Luffy, in raw power,
Zoro vs King gave us a much more accurate/realistic impact of advanced conqueror's haki. King was still physically stronger and faster than Zoro, advanced conqueror's was just an increase to Zoro's damage output and defence (defence cause it can be used to repel enemies/attacks), plus bypass of King's insane durability in defence mode


Nothing suggested that the RS had any impact on Sanji's biology. It was just using science/tech to make Sanji invisible (basically camouflage), to make him faster (the boots), to improve his durability (toughness of suit). None of these had anything to do with altering Sanji's body or genes. Plus, Sanji's exoskeleton shouldn't even be a thing considering his mother's sacrifice. Not only was this an asspull, but it also came at the expense of RS, a subplot which was built up well for like 3 years.
At least with Zoro, Enma sucking out haki was established like 1-2 years ago. Enma basically "trained" Zoro. Was it too quick/rushed? Was it disgusting shortcut route to controlling basic conqueror's and jumping directly to advanced conqueror's? Yes to both. Yet, in a weird way we could see where this was coming from, cause Enma's "personality/spirit" was already established


Jinbe didn't go all out when he was getting his ass kicked, but suddenly started going all out when Who's Who triggered him? Why would he not go all out when he's clearly getting smacked and getting shigan stabbed? Sorry, looks like a classic case of POF to me! (if you know FT)



Obviously Law jumped in PL.
The point was, he jumped from like, say upper Tobiroppo tier, to YC1+ while we didn't even see him train.
Like, even Luffy didn't jump up this high lmao. Luffy started out at say YC2-3 post Dresrossa, went through hell against Katakuri, trained his ass off in prison, and reached YC1 (or YC1+ at best) when raid started.
While Law jumped straight to YC1+ while raid started and got awakening off screen
I'm a big Law fan dude, he's my most fav good guy of the series. But, come on dude, this is ridiculous even to me lmao

 

[neomaster121]

My list:

1. Luffy
2. Law
3. Marco
4. Kid
5. Zoro
6. Yamato
7. Sanji
8. Sulong Cat/Dog
9. Kyoshiro
10. Jinbe
11. Shutenmaru
12. Killer
13. Base Cat/Dog
14. X Drake
15. Kin'emon
16. Kawamatsu
17. Izo
18. Kikunojo
19. Raizo
20. Franky

Your list is flawed

Zoro has shown advanced CoC

Therefore can fight against kaido if rematched

So it's likely
Luffy then Zoro then yamato then law

 

[grey matter]

Your list is flawed

Zoro has shown advanced CoC

Therefore can fight against kaido if rematched

So it's likely
Luffy then Zoro then yamato then law

Law has solid feats as well.
Law + Kid have been fighting against BM for hours. They have even forced BM to go above her limits, implying Law + Kid collectively is Yonko tier.
Law even fought BM solo while Hawkins vs Killer was going on, when Kid was dead weight.

Advanced conqueror's haki won't help Zoro when he's sliced in half within a second.
Law is broken in his tier

Advanced conqueror's is good and all, obviously it is a good boost to attack power and defence.
But IMO it is being overhyped. Because Advanced conq is not only in it's hype phase, but both instanced of advanced conqueror's were used on Kaido and King, enemies against whom it is much more effective than normal attacks (Kaido can only be damaged by advanced conquerors and armament, with advanced conq much more effective; King seems like he's invincible to any attack except from advanced conqueror's while in defense mode)
Let's wait for the next arc because automatically putting everyone with advanced conq above those who don't.

 

[XXGenesis]

I usually Power Scale with the Yonkou at the top & use manga feats to compare the rest of the characters to each other and the Yonkou…
I won’t use tiers,but here’s a list in order

Luffy is fighting Kaido Solo now, before he shown the prowess to fight & endure Kaido’s attack the best aside from Yamato.

Yamato has to be 2nd strongest as she fought Hybrid Kaido solo, for quite some time. Yes Yamato is familiar with Kaido’s fighting style & Kaido isn’t trying to kill her but is fighting seriously. Still Yamato had the skill & ability to stall Kaido by herself.

Marco/Law/Kidd All come in 3rd place. Law/Kidd are tag teaming a Yonkou & finally injured BM with their awakenings, after enduring a beat down. Marco shown he can challenge Admirals, Fought & survived a war with BB & his Crew, BM couldn’t be bothered with the time it would take to fight him, he kept 2commanders, King & Queen busy on the 1st floor until Zoro & Sanji pops up, he wasn’t even hurt just exhausted.

Zoro is technically right there with Law/Kidd & Marco…As to why tiers works better than just ranking…But Zoro just defeated King . Someone who can tank even ACoC Attacks because of their race. Zoro just got a power up & he already shown the Attack potency to hurt a Yonkou & the durability/stamina to endure more than what he can handle..So he’s YC1+ just like the rest of them

Sanji just embarrassed Queen from an skill perspective; Queen was tough, Sanji does pass out afterwards. However Queen’s fighting prowess & skills leaves a lot to be desired. With Sanji’s new abilities & improved skills. He’s almost YC1 lv IMO.

Inu/Neko/Jimbei…Again I can’t rank these characters over each other; They are relatively even. Inu dominates Jack in Sulong form; Neko also fought Jack in base to a stalemate but had trouble with Perspero while battle worn & *offscreen* but Perospero’s is strong with his DF*…..Jimbei has blocked Akainu’s magma with his hands; Blocked an attack from Starving BM, knocked BM off the Sunny, Judo flipped BM, Endure Who’s Who’s attack to basically low Diff him. Jimbei would mid-high Jack with his FIshMan Karate & water abilities…

That’s my Top 10 of Wano; Yonkou aside

 

[Pirate Queen]

With the new power-ups, how would rank the pirates of the alliance and the Supernova currently on Onigashima?

Top 10?
Luffy
Marco
Yamato
Kidd
Law
Zoro
Sanji
Jinbei
Kyoshiro
Inu/Neko Sulong

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Still dude, there is a limit. Like, Doflamingo could blitz base Luffy and was faster than G2 Luffy, while G4 Luffy was faster than Doflamingo - this is the CQC/speed difference we are talking about. Next is strength, G4 Luffy >>> base Luffy in raw power, no explanation needed. Let's even say Kaido is at 20%, he should still be able to EASILY blitz base Luffy. And should be much stronger than Luffy, in raw power,
Zoro vs King gave us a much more accurate/realistic impact of advanced conqueror's haki. King was still physically stronger and faster than Zoro, advanced conqueror's was just an increase to Zoro's damage output and defence (defence cause it can be used to repel enemies/attacks), plus bypass of King's insane durability in defence mode


Nothing suggested that the RS had any impact on Sanji's biology. It was just using science/tech to make Sanji invisible (basically camouflage), to make him faster (the boots), to improve his durability (toughness of suit). None of these had anything to do with altering Sanji's body or genes. Plus, Sanji's exoskeleton shouldn't even be a thing considering his mother's sacrifice. Not only was this an asspull, but it also came at the expense of RS, a subplot which was built up well for like 3 years.
At least with Zoro, Enma sucking out haki was established like 1-2 years ago. Enma basically "trained" Zoro. Was it too quick/rushed? Was it disgusting shortcut route to controlling basic conqueror's and jumping directly to advanced conqueror's? Yes to both. Yet, in a weird way we could see where this was coming from, cause Enma's "personality/spirit" was already established


Jinbe didn't go all out when he was getting his ass kicked, but suddenly started going all out when Who's Who triggered him? Why would he not go all out when he's clearly getting smacked and getting shigan stabbed? Sorry, looks like a classic case of POF to me! (if you know FT)



Obviously Law jumped in PL.
The point was, he jumped from like, say upper Tobiroppo tier, to YC1+ while we didn't even see him train.
Like, even Luffy didn't jump up this high lmao. Luffy started out at say YC2-3 post Dresrossa, went through hell against Katakuri, trained his ass off in prison, and reached YC1 (or YC1+ at best) when raid started.
While Law jumped straight to YC1+ while raid started and got awakening off screen
I'm a big Law fan dude, he's my most fav good guy of the series. But, come on dude, this is ridiculous even to me lmao

I think you need to re read the jinbei versus who’s who fight, he was never losing he had minor injuries but so did who’s who and he was never on the back foot , the advantage he had was the numbers of his subordinates

I think common sense told law he had to get hell la stronger so his training was off screen , I think law jump was massive but it was expected

I expect big power jumps in one piece in general the issue I have with the zoro aCOC was how hallowed and built up it was , luffy had an incredible journey to mastering it and then suddenly without even mastering basic COC Zoro has advanced COC ?

 

[neomaster121]

Kid wasn't able to do any damage to kaido
Zoro scared kaido before truly unlocking aCoC

Clearly Zoro stronger than Kidd

 

[LaGOAT]

I don’t see any problem with zoro having ACOC and I’m not being biased as a zoro fanboy it’s obvious he was gonna get it eventually. Zoro>kid imo law probably in the same lvl law df id very unique and kind op. Lol at ppl putting killer>jinbei the disrespect jinbei is crazy